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What I'm saying is that you tend to indulge in long term development, unrealistically and comparatively to era's that are so different they're entirely not relevant. Do you not realize kids during Ray's era had to stay in school for 3 years, and had to sit out a year if they transferred? You had no choice but to develop and once you wed yourself to a HS recruit, you were generally stuck with them and they with you. Also, in most cases, you won on a senior group of players that developed together into an NC team and after they won/departed, you'd often have to reset to build back up sacrificing NC opportunity for development years. None of this applies anymore.
This program does not have a problem keeping guys long term. If we really want a guy to they will stay here for 3-4 years unless they’re NBA ready. And even then guys aren’t as good or ready in 2 years as players like Caron, Jeremy, Ill add even Rudy to the list. Hell Charlie was pretty good when he first got to the NBA after two years. Good enough to earn himself a big second contract.
 
Whaley didn't get drafted.
You're right. He was undrafted G-League.

Still an incredible accomplishment if you ask me. But, yeah, not quite what I claimed (back-end second round with what I thought).
 
Are we saying we shouldn’t expect great players anymore to the level past guys were at?

We’re happy with not seeing these kind of stars anymore?
You want to know the list of recent lottery picks that were upperclassmen and stayed with the same program their entire college career? In ‘24 it was Edey and Devin Carter, in ‘23 there was no one, and in ‘22 it was Jalen Williams and Agbaji from Kansas. That’s it.

We are not an outlier in not developing lottery picks over 3-4 years. Outside of a few edge cases, no one is doing it. The folks with that level of talent are leaving after a year or two and developing in the NBA.

Edit: scratch Devin Carter from that list since he transferred.
 
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Whaley had the ceiling of Rap/Rip/Caron/Emeka? What?
Never had the ceiling. Not even close. The development of Whaley should not be compared to those guys.
 
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What I'm saying is that you tend to indulge in long term development, unrealistically and comparatively to era's that are so different they're entirely not relevant. Do you not realize kids during Ray's era had to stay in school for 3 years, and had to sit out a year if they transferred? You had no choice but to develop and once you wed yourself to a HS recruit, you were generally stuck with them and they with you. Also, in most cases, you won on a senior group of players that developed together into an NC team and after they won/departed, you'd often have to reset to build back up sacrificing NC opportunity for development years. None of this applies anymore.
preach!
 
really? I do not believe AK is our weakness defensively. Our guards not keeping anyone in front of them, on the other hand, seems like a much bigger flaw.
If you were at the Creighton game, it was very much reinforced that defense is not his strong suit. He may not be the worst offender, but he's certainly not offsetting deficiencies elsewhere. He's slow.

If AK, Solo, Mullins (without know Mullins ability as a defender as a freshmen) are where we start 1-4 defensively, that is not going to be be the core of a good defensive unit. Our PG will have to then be great offensively & defensively to offset some of it - good luck finding that in the portal.
 
This program does not have a problem keeping guys long term. If we really want a guy to they will stay here for 3-4 years unless they’re NBA ready. And even then guys aren’t as good or ready in 2 years as players like Caron, Jeremy, Ill add even Rudy to the list. Hell Charlie was pretty good when he first got to the NBA after two years. Good enough to earn himself a big second contract.
Thing is man, to keep kids now, you have to pay them, and to decide where your ROI is. There is a level of economics at play here that was zero consideration back then. Back then you could stash a kid on the bench and develop, now kids want $$ and playing time or else they fly the coup. Let's take Ross for instance (total hypothetical Tamery) - he's going to be a junior. By junior year, I'd say most kids want to start and get a really confident sense of playing time. Do we give him that just to retain/develop after what we saw this year?

Can someone tell me if Trilly is worth signing back up with? I only found his content to be worthwhile during recruiting cycles.
 
Thing is man, to keep kids now, you have to pay them, and to decide where your ROI is. There is a level of economics at play here that was zero consideration back then. Back then you could stash a kid on the bench and develop, now kids want $$ and playing time or else they fly the coup. Let's take Ross for instance (total hypothetical Tamery) - he's going to be a junior. By junior year, I'd say most kids want to start and get a really confident sense of playing time. Do we give him that just to retain/develop after what we saw this year?

Can someone tell me if Trilly is worth signing back up with? I only found his content to be worthwhile during recruiting cycles.
The thing is, Calhoun wasn’t really known to stash guys on the bench.

He was much more of a throw you out there and you’ll sink or swim kind of coach than a wait your turn on the bench coach.

And again, we are not a program that has problems keeping players we really want to keep. You’re talking about overall problems with college basketball. Not our program.
 
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The thing is, Calhoun wasn’t really known to stash guys on the bench.

He was much more of a throw you out there and you’ll sink or swim kind of coach than a wait your turn on the bench coach.

And again, we are not a program that has problems keeping players we really want to keep. You’re talking about overall problems with college basketball. Not our program.
Every year the shape of how things work changes, we are not immune to losing kids as NIL becomes a larger factor in how kids view opportunity. Hurley also hasn't dealt with as much fringe types the last couple years, he had the right guys lock stock. Calhoun did it because he didn't have options of upgrading in the portal, at least in part of why he had to go "sink or swim". When you're stuck with a kid you recruited, you are forced to find ways to develop them because you don't have other options.
 
Big, Jr. guard who shoots well and improved year to year.

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Question will always be whether Hurley is ok taking from the BE. I do find he prefers kids he's seen up close and faced, but not sure if willing to tap into BE brothers.
Yeah I would take a pass for that reason alone, although I think he's also pretty overrated. His former game, anyway, was just drive and spin in the lane hoping to get to the line. Once people saw him a second time they stopped playing him to shoot from three.
 
Question will always be whether Hurley is ok taking from the BE. I do find he prefers kids he's seen up close and faced, but not sure if willing to tap into BE brothers.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Slick Rick get involved with Hopkins.
 
I thought it was common knowledge Hopkins was going to Georgetown
The juice that would incite to the PC/Gtown matchups next year. Sorber enlisted an agent, he's gone. Peavy gone. Would not be surprising. If he came back next year and kicked butt with Cooley after derailing PC's last two seasons, the PC fanbase would be out with their slingshots next year during their games.
 
Wow. Massive hit to PC on that one. If there was one thing English had to pacify after last season, it was keep Bryce. He is officially on the hotseat this upcoming season. Watch Pitino grab him.
Cooley and Georgetown.
 
The juice that would incite to the PC/Gtown matchups next year. Sorber enlisted an agent, he's gone. Peavy gone. Would not be surprising. If he came back next year and kicked butt with Cooley after derailing PC's last two seasons, the PC fanbase would be out with their slingshots next year during their games.
That was a fake report about Sorber
 
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I was gonna post a take that we might have to settle for a non big guard because people don't realize how rare quality tall guards actually are. If we can get a Diarra level defender with more offensive/playmaking upside, that'll likely have to be enough.

If Stirtz comes back to college, we're gonna be competing with EVERYONE for his services, before acknowledging his previous allegiance. That goes for anyone of his caliber.
There’s going to be plenty of guys who fit the mold of what UConn is looking for/needs. Some people on here acting like UConn is Boston College or something. They have plenty of resources (money) and a starting job to sell to a point guard. On top of a history of developing players into NBA prospects. It’s an elite coaching staff & school to play for. They will get someone who fits the mold of a “bigger” guard who gives them what they need, because it will be the priority this offseason. Really not concerned about it.
 
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