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That's a bit overly critical and especially of a college kid.

He improved as a pass blocker and that over the shoulder catch out of the backfield against ECU showed me he has good hands and the ability to adjust to a throw. No he doesn't have breakaway speed and isn't shifty, but he still got 1000 yards 2 years in a row. He might not be an NFL back, but he is a good not great college back.
I never said he wasn’t a “good” college back. The OP said you can’t question Edsall on evaluating RB talent. I’m questioning where that RB talent is under 2.0. Mensah is good, not great. If you believe he’s improved as a pass blocker....ok. But, to say he has good hands as a receiver is questionable. He had 8 receptions in 2019, down from 10 receptions in 2018. He’s also a stat compiler. The majority of his carriers and yards were accrued when the scoring margin was 15+ points. In fact, approximately 20+% of his total rushing yardage in each of the last two seasons came when UConn trailed by 22+ points.

2018 - 225 carries, 1045 yds
132 carries, 512 yds, 0TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
54 carries, 232 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss

2019 - 226 carries, 1013 yds
144 carries, 674 yds, 7TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
55 carries, 238 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss
 
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I never said he wasn’t a “good” college back. The OP said you can’t question Edsall on evaluating RB talent. I’m questioning where that RB talent is under 2.0. Mensah is good, not great. If you believe he’s improved as a pass blocker....ok. But, to say he has good hands as a receiver is questionable. He had 8 receptions in 2019, down from 10 receptions in 2018. He’s also a stat compiler. The majority of his carriers and yards were accrued when the scoring margin was 15+ points. In fact, approximately 20+% of his total rushing yardage in each of the last two seasons came when UConn trailed by 22+ points.

2018 - 225 carries, 1045 yds
132 carries, 512 yds, 0TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
54 carries, 232 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss

2019 - 226 carries, 1013 yds
144 carries, 674 yds, 7TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
55 carries, 238 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss
It's a team game - he doesn't play defense so most of his carries would be when we are behind. Heck, the UMass game he had 5 TD 's and put us ahead with great running. Outside of URI and Wagner, that was his only opportunity to run the ball with a lead. Regarding catches out of the backfield- I don't think this offense designed many screens or balls out of the backfield for him. It is up to the QB to check down to him and that wasn't Jack Zergiotis's strength this year. You can throw all the stats you want, but put them with context. As a junior, he isn't bad. And guess what, he can improve- he can work on his vision to hit the right hole. He can improve in the other areas too. Now if we have an offensive line that could open some holes......
 
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Nobody wants kids to leave the program and we all appreciate their commitment and effort. At most colleges, 4th year players are not invited back for a 5th year unless you are projected to be a starter or a key backup. Some schools push kids out before they get to the 4th year if they are not projected to be key contributors on the field.

Edsall probably doesn't want all of the kids to leave that are in the portal, but for most, it was time to seek another opportunity. Unfortunately, that is the tough reality of college football. The players that are leaving that were starters may want to try to see if they can play up for their last year. You have to respect that after the losing the past 4 years.

If you look at the 4th year players that are currently in the portal or have announced their departure, here are their stats for 2019:

Beaudry: played 5 games, 53/83 503 yards, 1 TD, 2 int. 2nd on team for pass yards, 3rd for TD passes.
Donaldson: played 10 games, 2 receptions, 30 yards, no TDs. 25 kickoffs. 7th in receptions by WRs.
Brouse: played 0 games
Leone: played 11 games, OL starter
Hahn: played 12 games, 3 tackles. 8th in tackles for LBs,
Gilmartin: played 6 games, 29 tackles, 1 sack, 5th in tackles for LBs.
Garson: played 1 game, no stats
Herring-Wilson: played 8 games, 17 tackles, 1 pass break up. 7th in tackles for DBs.
Coyle: played 11 games, 86 tackles, 1 int., 10 pass breakups. 1st in tackles and pass break ups on team.
Graham: played 11 games, kick holder, no punts.
D. Williams: played 4 games, 5 catches 62 yards. 3rd in receptions for TEs.

Here are the undergrads that appear to be leaving:

Black: played 6 games, 13 carries, 61 yards, 0 TDs, 1 catch, 6 yards. 3rd in rushing yards on team.
Scott: played 4 games, no stats
Carroll: played 0 games. Academic redshirt.
Hubbard: played 3 games, OL backup.
Holmes: played 12 games, OL backup


Out of all the players leaving, 2 were starters. (I did not include DeGeorge as he is not yet in the portal.)
Didn’t Hubbard start the last 3 games?
 
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Didn’t Hubbard start the last 3 games?
Last 2. I'm assuming because Leone told Edsall he planned on leaving after the season so he was honored at senior day. They gave Hubbard that start and at Temple. Again, assuming to get Hubbard experience going into next season. Then he decided to also transfer.
 
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I never said he wasn’t a “good” college back. The OP said you can’t question Edsall on evaluating RB talent. I’m questioning where that RB talent is under 2.0. Mensah is good, not great. If you believe he’s improved as a pass blocker....ok. But, to say he has good hands as a receiver is questionable. He had 8 receptions in 2019, down from 10 receptions in 2018. He’s also a stat compiler. The majority of his carriers and yards were accrued when the scoring margin was 15+ points. In fact, approximately 20+% of his total rushing yardage in each of the last two seasons came when UConn trailed by 22+ points.

2018 - 225 carries, 1045 yds
132 carries, 512 yds, 0TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
54 carries, 232 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss

2019 - 226 carries, 1013 yds
144 carries, 674 yds, 7TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
55 carries, 238 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss

Ranked 47th in the country on the 107th ranked offense. Not a Heisman candidate by any stretch. But also not a fail.
 

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Since it'll be his 5th year, according to that Tweet, he'll still need to sit out though because he hasn't graduated, right?

I'll be interested to see if any FBS school takes any kid for a year and have them sit out a year
 

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Since it'll be his 5th year, according to that Tweet, he'll still need to sit out though because he hasn't graduated, right?

I'll be interested to see if any FBS school takes any kid for a year and have them sit out a year

He can play next year, he just needs to finish his undergrad work in spring 2020 first.
 
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I played baseball and basketball in college. I coached football for 20+ years. I also train athletes. Does it matter if I played college football? There are plenty of GREAT coaches who never played the game. Don’t be a dick...if you are trying to be a dick. ;)
Not trying to be a dick at all bro.. You were just killing that football player on what he was incapable of... You sounded like you actually played, you knew what to expect. You sounded kinda like a dick... But kudos to you on what you've accomplished.
 
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For those interested in transfer stats, I tumbled some numbers. I used the 247 stats and probably made some mistakes, but I think the numbers are generally correct.

Last year, there were ~1100 kids in the portal or ~7 to 8 kids per FBS team. (Numbers are somewhat skewed as some lower division kids are included.)

19% of the kids in the portal transferred to a P5 school or ~214 kids.
72% of the P5 transfers in (154 kids) were from other P5 schools. (P5 to P5 transfers)
28% of the P5 transfers in were from G5 schools or below (60 kids)

By position:

QB: 123 kids in the portal, 37 transferred to P5 school or 30%. 6 G5 or below transfers to P5.

RB: 96 kids in the portal, 9 transferred to P5 schools or 9%. 2 G5 or below transfers to P5.

WR and TE: 253 kids in the portal, 51 transferred to P5 schools or 20%. 18 G5 or below transfers to P5.

OL: 110 kids in the portal, 26 transferred to P5 schools or 24%. 9 G5 or below transfers to P5.

DT and DE: 147 kids in the portal, 24 transferred to P5 schools or 17%. 7 G5 or below transfers P5.

LB: 119 kids in the portal, 19 transferred to P5 schools or 16%. 4 G5 or below transfers to P5.

DBs: 217 kids in the portal, 28 transferred to P5 schools or 13%. 7 G5 or below transfers to P5.

K and P: 25 kids in the portal, 15 transferred to P5 schools or 60%. 6 G5 or below transfers to P5.

LS: 10 kids in the portal, 5 transferred to P5 schools or 50%. 1 G5 or below transfers to P5.


As you can see, it is very hard to transfer to a P5 school unless you are a kicker or a punter. It is also hard to transfer from a G5 school to a P5 school. RB and DB were the hardest positions to transfer to a P5 school. Although I didn't crunch the numbers, it seems easier to transfer to a P5 if you have immediate eligibility to fill a hole.

Based on the stats, at most 1 or 2 UConn transfers move on to a P5.
 
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I never said he wasn’t a “good” college back. The OP said you can’t question Edsall on evaluating RB talent. I’m questioning where that RB talent is under 2.0. Mensah is good, not great. If you believe he’s improved as a pass blocker....ok. But, to say he has good hands as a receiver is questionable. He had 8 receptions in 2019, down from 10 receptions in 2018. He’s also a stat compiler. The majority of his carriers and yards were accrued when the scoring margin was 15+ points. In fact, approximately 20+% of his total rushing yardage in each of the last two seasons came when UConn trailed by 22+ points.

2018 - 225 carries, 1045 yds
132 carries, 512 yds, 0TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
54 carries, 232 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss

2019 - 226 carries, 1013 yds
144 carries, 674 yds, 7TDs when the final margin is 15+ points (win or lose)
55 carries, 238 yds, 0TDs in 22+ point loss

Yea I said that Edsall has always had a good to dominant running game and Mensah fits the good category. Your little NFL rant came completely out of nowhere
 
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Based on the stats, at most 1 or 2 UConn transfers move on to a P5.
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Yes, im sure it is the stats that will keep the vast majority of them from ending up at a P5:confused:
 
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Yea I said that Edsall has always had a good to dominant running game and Mensah fits the good category. Your little NFL rant came completely out of nowhere
Perhaps....
My question to you was who are the talented RBs 2.0 has brought in besides Mensah?
 
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Perhaps....
My question to you was who are the talented RBs 2.0 has brought in besides Mensah?
Please look at Dante Black’s highlight tape. He scored 5 touchdowns in one game his senior year. Edsall recruited him but didn’t develop him or utilize his talents.
 
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Please look at Dante Black’s highlight tape. He scored 5 touchdowns in one game his senior year. Edsall recruited him but didn’t develop him or utilize his talents.
I think Black has talent, but at this point, Mensah and Thompson are better. So, he was 3rd string. Black is only a redshirt freshman, so he would get better over time.

Remember Andre Dixon? He had 0 carries as a redshirt freshman and turned out pretty good.
 
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Please look at Dante Black’s highlight tape. He scored 5 touchdowns in one game his senior year. Edsall recruited him but didn’t develop him or utilize his talents.
In Edsall we trust
 
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For those interested in transfer stats, I tumbled some numbers. I used the 247 stats and probably made some mistakes, but I think the numbers are generally correct.

Last year, there were ~1100 kids in the portal or ~7 to 8 kids per FBS team. (Numbers are somewhat skewed as some lower division kids are included.)

19% of the kids in the portal transferred to a P5 school or ~214 kids.
72% of the P5 transfers in (154 kids) were from other P5 schools. (P5 to P5 transfers)
28% of the P5 transfers in were from G5 schools or below (60 kids)

By position:

QB: 123 kids in the portal, 37 transferred to P5 school or 30%. 6 G5 or below transfers to P5.

RB: 96 kids in the portal, 9 transferred to P5 schools or 9%. 2 G5 or below transfers to P5.

WR and TE: 253 kids in the portal, 51 transferred to P5 schools or 20%. 18 G5 or below transfers to P5.

OL: 110 kids in the portal, 26 transferred to P5 schools or 24%. 9 G5 or below transfers to P5.

DT and DE: 147 kids in the portal, 24 transferred to P5 schools or 17%. 7 G5 or below transfers P5.

LB: 119 kids in the portal, 19 transferred to P5 schools or 16%. 4 G5 or below transfers to P5.

DBs: 217 kids in the portal, 28 transferred to P5 schools or 13%. 7 G5 or below transfers to P5.

K and P: 25 kids in the portal, 15 transferred to P5 schools or 60%. 6 G5 or below transfers to P5.

LS: 10 kids in the portal, 5 transferred to P5 schools or 50%. 1 G5 or below transfers to P5.


As you can see, it is very hard to transfer to a P5 school unless you are a kicker or a punter. It is also hard to transfer from a G5 school to a P5 school. RB and DB were the hardest positions to transfer to a P5 school. Although I didn't crunch the numbers, it seems easier to transfer to a P5 if you have immediate eligibility to fill a hole.

Based on the stats, at most 1 or 2 UConn transfers move on to a P5.
The problem with the numbers is that they list scholarship AND walk ons. Inflates the numbers
 
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Perhaps....
My question to you was who are the talented RBs 2.0 has brought in besides Mensah?
Go back....Mensah was identified and recruited by the previous staff. signed by RE 2.0 in first class
 
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