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nwhoopfan said:
For the 3 teams lucky enough to get them. Doesn't negate the tongue in cheek point I was making though.
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I think you made a good point. In Clark’s case, she was a homegrown talent. With Paige, UConn is simply a basketball factory. With Brink, I’d imagine it’s hard for anyone to turn down Stanford and even harder to leave once you realize what you’re getting on the court and in the classroom.

But to your point, if other schools don’t have all these things going for them it is probably even riskier than before to go for a student that’s coming in from across the country. I’ve noticed a lot of these transfers have ended up going somewhere closer to home.
 
southie said:
That's comparing apples to oranges; upperclassmen college player to unproven high school signees. Endiya Rogers was a proven commodity after playing 2 seasons at USC. Coming out of the transfer portal, she was expected by the coaching staff to come in and be an immediate contributor.

Rogers was actually the Gatorade POY for the state of Texas coming out of Texas; so, regardless of one or two subjective recruiting rankings, she came out of high school with high accolades.
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Even so, I think the point was Rodgers made more of an impact at USC her first year them Parrish, Scherr, and Watson. Out of that class, only PaoPao has shown that she can play major minutes in the Pac12 consistently.

I can imagine when you bring in that many highly ranked recruits in a class, you’d hope more than one pans out to show their ranking was warranted.
 
GoCardinal said:
Even so, I think the point was Rodgers made more of an impact at USC her first year them Parrish, Scherr, and Watson. Out of that class, only PaoPao has shown that she can play major minutes in the Pac12 consistently.

I can imagine when you bring in that many highly ranked recruits in a class, you’d hope more than one pans out to show their ranking was warranted.
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Now we're comparing players playing different positions at different schools under different coaching staffs and different styles of play? SMH
 
Figurehead said:
Talented players averaging less than 4 points a game. Oregon womens basketball has their own Airbnb which they decorated to earn money which seemed more important than basketball at times. Tell me this group spent as many hours in the gym as Sabrina, Ruth and Satou did. True Graves has gotten lazy in game situations. Everyone sees that but Graves and SOME of the players acted entitled at times.
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Really?????:eek:
 
southie said:
Now we're comparing players playing different positions at different schools under different coaching staffs and different styles of play? SMH
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Does the same apply in the world of softball? Sorry off topic
 
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southie said:
Now we're comparing players playing different positions at different schools under different coaching staffs and different styles of play? SMH
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No, we are comparing how as top recruits (no matter what school or sport you choose) you are typically expected to perform up to your ranking and have some sort of impact early. Rankings can absolutely be flawed and wrong but that still doesn’t negate what coaches and fans hope for. Parrish was ranked top 10 in a class that featured Brink, Bueckers, Clark, and Van Lith. Watson was ranked top 20. In a class like that, whether it’s fair or not, a lot is going to be expected out of you from day 1. It sucks, but that’s just the nature of the beast.

The expectations for Paige were going to be different from Edwards simply because Paige had the #1 by her name. The expectations for Azzi and probably Ducharme were probably different from DeBerry simply because those two had #1 and #5 by their names, even though all 3 were McDonald’s AAs. Whether it’s fair or not, we can debate it until our faces turn blue. But, that’s just the reality of what comes AA nods and rankings.

It’s not like some of those players in this class didn’t have opportunities. Watson is probably the exception, but she was already playing behind several other posts from the moment she committed there.
 
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cancontent said:
I think there's enough blame to go around for all involved. There are too many factors impacting these moves. Laying the blame solely at the feet of the athletes isn't fair.

The whole "not living up to their rankings" is frustrating to me as I think it's been proven that rankings are subjective and don't mean squat once a player arrives on campus. We've seen too many examples over the years where highly "ranked" players haven't panned out and non-ranked players shine and exceed expectations.

Look at Naz Hillmon was able to accomplish at Michigan, which wasn't anywhere close to an elite program before she got there. Or look at Bridget Carleton who wasn't ranked coming out of Canada and has been playing in the WNBA for several years, where others who were ranked in that class never cracked a roster.

The problem/challenge is getting athletes and families to be more realistic about where their kid can/should play. Playing to a top program is a dream for many as it should be. I just wish families would look more at the overall picture versus just playing for a top tier program. It has to start from the AAU and HS levels, in addition to NCAA coaches in my opinion.
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Can anyone answer this. Is a five star out of California better than a five star or Gatorade POY out of let’s say hypothetically out of Wyoming. New Jersey or South Dakota? Seems that California and Texas high schools players are just better. Is it just because those are large states or the systems they have in place at a younger age? I don’t know.
 
Figurehead said:
Can anyone answer this. Is a five star out of California better than a five star or Gatorade POY out of let’s say hypothetically out of Wyoming. New Jersey or South Dakota? Seems that California and Texas high schools players are just better. Is it just because those are large states or the systems they have in place at a younger age? I don’t know.
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Sorry, I can't from a US perspective. In Canada it's been assumed the best players come from Ontario or Quebec because of population and a larger urban demographic. That's starting to change with more players coming out of Alberta and British Columbia with some programs.
 
Figurehead said:
Can anyone answer this. Is a five star out of California better than a five star or Gatorade POY out of let’s say hypothetically out of Wyoming. New Jersey or South Dakota? Seems that California and Texas high schools players are just better. Is it just because those are large states or the systems they have in place at a younger age? I don’t know.
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Well, lets just check the last few classes: Paige out of MN, Azzi out of MD, Boston out of MA ...
Almost all the high school stars compete in traveling AAU squads, attend trials and represent USA basketball in age restricted teams - they aren't in little state bubbles in HS.

The advantage states like CA and TX have is 1) Population, so the pool of players is higher, and 2) Multiple outstanding HS teams teams so the HS competition tends to be better at developing talent.
 
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UcMiami said:
Well, lets just check the last few classes: Paige out of MN, Azzi out of MD, Boston out of MA ...
Almost all the high school stars compete in traveling AAU squads, attend trials and represent USA basketball in age restricted teams - they aren't in little state bubbles in HS.

The advantage states like CA and TX have is 1) Population, so the pool of players is higher, and 2) Multiple outstanding HS teams teams so the HS competition tends to be better at developing talent.
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Azzi is actually from Fairfax, Viginia. She went to school in DC.
 
Figurehead said:
Actual the best answer to the whole star rating was someone many of us are familiar with. Ruth Hebard was a hell of a find coming out of Alaska. Love those players that turn out to be hidden gems. Every school has a story like that.
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Wasn't Hebard fairly highly ranked and highly recruited?

According to one article: Hebard said at the beginning she had interest from 80 schools, but ultimately selected the Ducks over Oregon State, Louisville, Washington, Arizona State and North Carolina.

Does a top-40 recruit now qualify as a hidden gem?
 
DaBball said:
Wasn't Hebard fairly highly ranked and highly recruited?

According to one article: Hebard said at the beginning she had interest from 80 schools, but ultimately selected the Ducks over Oregon State, Louisville, Washington, Arizona State and North Carolina.

Does a top-40 recruit now qualify as a hidden gem?
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Hidden gem might not be the best terminology, but considering she wound up being arguably the 3rd best player in her class after Ionescu/Cox, she massively outperformed expectations. Similar to players like Nina Davis, Teaira McCowan, Rhyne Howard, etc.
 
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Gabby Gregory out of Oklahoma is in the portal. Was the team's leading scorer as a freshman, missed preseason due to injury, and only got a fraction of her minutes back once she was healthy.
 
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Sabrina’s dad, Dan Ionescu tweeted this:

Oregon is not for everybody. I don’t tweet that often but this time I want to share my point of view on all the transfers. If you have a sense of entitlement just because you had some accolades in HS, Oregon is not for you.


(I can also imagine Sabrina saying the same thing.)
 
Figurehead said:
Sabrina’s dad, Dan Ionescu tweeted this:

Oregon is not for everybody. I don’t tweet that often but this time I want to share my point of view on all the transfers. If you have a sense of entitlement just because you had some accolades in HS, Oregon is not for you.


(I can also imagine Sabrina saying the same thing.)
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Clearing house might be for the best with Graves. The team had talent to be an Elite 8 squad but just didn't have chemistry. He's proven over the last decade that he's a heck of a coach.
 
so so happy to see Scherr be freed from a terrible hc, her boyfriend transferred to FSU so I saw this coming. Wouldn't be surprised if she heads there. Parrish another solid player will have options.
 
Figurehead said:
Sabrina’s dad, Dan Ionescu tweeted this:

Oregon is not for everybody. I don’t tweet that often but this time I want to share my point of view on all the transfers. If you have a sense of entitlement just because you had some accolades in HS, Oregon is not for you.


(I can also imagine Sabrina saying the same thing.)
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Is there any place that would say they are the place for players with a sense of entitlement?

Generic meaningless tweet meant to bad mouth the transfers while being just vague enough to maintain plausible deniability.

I wish people bashing players that transfer would say it with their chest or not at all.
 
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WestsideWaltz said:
Pac12 FOY Kneepkens was not rated on HG, nor was Curry for Cal or Wetta for Colorado. Only players on the first team who were rated were Marshall USC (27) and Johnson Utah (42)
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Kneepkens snuck up on everybody
 
DaBball said:
Wasn't Hebard fairly highly ranked and highly recruited?

According to one article: Hebard said at the beginning she had interest from 80 schools, but ultimately selected the Ducks over Oregon State, Louisville, Washington, Arizona State and North Carolina.

Does a top-40 recruit now qualify as a hidden gem?
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There's very WBB recruits that are truly under the radar. If Hoopgurlz doesn't ranked a player, then one of the other major services will usually have them ranked. Hoopgurlz had Rhyne Howard ranked #40 but ASGR had her ranked 8th. ASGR ranked McCowan 15th. In Hebard's case, perhaps the other recruiting services didn't see her play with being from Alaska.
 
Basket said:
Kneepkens snuck up on everybody
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The SEC FOY, Arkansas’ Samara Spencer, wasn’t ranked by anyone, either. (Or at least none of the services that I keep up with - HG, ASGR, PN, BlueStar.

Izzy Higginbottom and Kiya Dorroh of Mizzou were. They played each other 3 times, and let’s just say that the recruiting service whiff couldn’t have been clearer.

It happens. Recruiting evals are really tough, and you can’t see every kid.
 
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