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intlzncster said:
Pitino is the same. Huggie. Cronin. Even K.
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Yeah I know, I was just using the same example as before, who also happens to be the guy that has taken advantage of the AAU system the most over the last 8-10 years.
 
HooperScooper said:
That's a good one. Jake was ranked #209 by All Star Sports, which was one of the only rankings back then.
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Armstrong and Voskuhl were on Championship (caliber) teams and they really didn't start drawing real next level interest until they were seniors.
 
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2north said:
Armstrong and Voskuhl were on Championship (caliber) teams and they really didn't start drawing real next level interest until they were seniors.
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I'd argue that Voskuhl was a very important piece to a very good team his sophomore year and a championship team his junior year. He wasn't one of the leading scorers because that wasn't his role. But without his rebounding, defense, pick setting and overall toughness neither of those teams would have been nearly as good. That's very good production from a player ranked 200+ coming out of high school. I'd kill for a Voskuhl type player on this year's team.
 
Did anyone else listen to the coaches show tonight? I think it gave some real insight into how KO feels right now. One comment in particular was very unexpected. We really need to beat SMU. Hopefully we can find the resolve from SOMEWHERE to pull it off in a very hostile environment.
 
A bit harsh I must say on KO. When was the last time UCONN has brought in role players outside the program for one and done.....and oh by the way....you're starters. Add a couple of decent freshman who deserve playing time, Dham who is .....well Dham, a couple of true UCONN seniors but not leaders.....I guess you would really have to ask a college basketball coach if that is a recipe that works.....or is it a real piece of work.
Remember Drummond and that team chemistry?
 
BLUEDOGHOUSE said:
Did anyone else listen to the coaches show tonight? I think it gave some real insight into how KO feels right now. One comment in particular was very unexpected. We really need to beat SMU. Hopefully we can find the resolve from SOMEWHERE to pull it off in a very hostile environment.
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So what was the very unexpected comment?
 
I thought when UCONN got Gibbs he would be like a Napier type. I thought this team needed an experienced lead guard that would be very quick. But he isn't. He isn't bad by any means - it's just that he is a bit limited vs what this team needed. He was my pre-season go-to guy. And I was expecting he would be a very good defender. Not his fault effort-wise - he just isn't quick laterally or a gifted scorer. He doesn't separate himself from the pack. Someday Adams will.
 
Sometimes the chemistry just isn't right. Total intangibles. I think KO is a good coach; but it's very hard following a great coaching legend like Jim Calhoun. I've also been thinking of the difficult chemistry JC had with the 2006 team ... didn't make him a bad coach. This team lacks the leadership we've frankly been spoiled with over the last 6 or 7 years due to the leadership skills of Kemba, Shabazz, and Ryan. Until we get strong guard leadership, the results will continue to be inconsistent.
 
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HooperScooper said:
I'd argue that Voskuhl was a very important piece to a very good team his sophomore year and a championship team his junior year. He wasn't one of the leading scorers because that wasn't his role. But without his rebounding, defense, pick setting and overall toughness neither of those teams would have been nearly as good. That's very good production from a player ranked 200+ coming out of high school. I'd kill for a Voskuhl type player on this year's team.
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Pick setting? I'd offer a rebuttal but can't get past pick setting.
 
2north said:
Pick setting? I'd offer a rebuttal but can't get past pick setting.
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I'm curious how old you are. Were you around for the 1998-1999 season? Any of the more experienced fans on here want to explain how Voskuhl helped the team so well? That team was so good because everyone had a role and played it well. Rip and El-Amin wouldn't have been as good without Voskuhl setting great picks on most offensive possessions. Something this year's team could use.
 
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2north said:
Armstrong and Voskuhl were on Championship (caliber) teams and they really didn't start drawing real next level interest until they were seniors.
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By the way, I'm not sure what you were trying to say. So if they didn't make it into the NBA they wouldn't have been productive college players that way outplayed their 3 star ranking?
 
intlzncster said:
That's the thing, there's just not many of them. I agree you have to surround him with smart quality players. But you could kinda say that about most posts, outside of the Anthony Davis's of the world, no?
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But Jake and Hilton got noticeably better. ;)
 
HooperScooper said:
I'm curious how old you are. Were you around for the 1998-1999 season? Any of the more experienced fans on here want to explain how Voskuhl helped the team so well? That team was so good because everyone had a role and played it well. Rip and El-Amin wouldn't have been as good without Voskuhl setting great picks on most offensive possessions. Something this year's team could use.
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Jake was an incredibly effective player with his skills, which were significant. Players routinely bounced off of him when he set a pick (i.e. set a screen). He was a powerful player and played great position defense. He was a strong outlet passer and was a better passer than any of our current bigs, which is not saying a lot. Watch games from the '99 season and post-season and see how he did against all the bigs he played against. He generally dominated the paint in that post-season and he and Freeman stopped Brand from being a critical factor in the title game (even though he got his points and boards).
 
2north said:
Armstrong and Voskuhl were on Championship (caliber) teams and they really didn't start drawing real next level interest until they were seniors.
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Agree more or less on Hilton but he did show improvement every year, but the biggest jump was his senior year. Not with Jake, he showed early he was going to be a tough kid and scrap when given minutes. His skills got better every year but he was always physical, good passer form the high post and a really solid low post defender. Sure he was really good his senior year but as Hooper said he was a huge piece because he knew where to set picks, where to hold them and who to hold them for. As a defender his ability to play really physical, hit first and recognize where to be and help was more important than most of our shot blockers who roamed the middle.

Big part of Rip and KEA's plan to get open looks. To me one of themes underrated players in UConn history.
 
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HooperScooper said:
I'm curious how old you are. Were you around for the 1998-1999 season? Any of the more experienced fans on here want to explain how Voskuhl helped the team so well? That team was so good because everyone had a role and played it well. Rip and El-Amin wouldn't have been as good without Voskuhl setting great picks on most offensive possessions. Something this year's team could use.
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Actually I am and was there live for the NC in St Pete. You made my point though, he was a solid role player that turned a good senior season into a pro contract as a 7 footer. Sub a serviceable center that can rebound (and I guess set picks if you want) on that team and they roll still through the season. Maybe they don't beat Brand with someone other than Jake but only because he matched up well and JC had a brilliant game plan to stop him. My original point was that Armstrong and Voskuhl flourished as seniors and not much before.
 
2north said:
Actually I am and was there live for the NC in St Pete. You made my point though, he was a solid role player that turned a good senior season into a pro contract as a 7 footer. Sub a serviceable center that can rebound (and I guess set picks if you want) on that team and they roll still through the season. Maybe they don't beat Brand with someone other than Jake but only because he matched up well and JC had a brilliant game plan to stop him. My original point was that Armstrong and Voskuhl flourished as seniors and not much before.
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My point was that a 4 year starter, on some very good teams, who was a recruit ranked 200+ coming out of high school is excellent production for a 3 star recruit. The whole point of bringing up Jake was intended to answer the original question posted above, "Hell, have we had a more productive 3-star recruit in the last 20 years?" Jake and Hilton were the 2 players people came up with and I agreed on both.

I guess you and I are answering totally different questions because I don't know how anyone could make an argument that Jake didn't way outplay his 3 star ranking coming out of high school. Just being a 4 year starter proves that point. You're arguing Jake wasn't a star player in college. I'd agree on that.
 
HooperScooper said:
My point was that a 4 year starter, on some very good teams, who was a recruit ranked 200+ coming out of high school is excellent production for a 3 star recruit. The whole point of bringing up Jake was intended to answer the original question posted above, "Hell, have we had a more productive 3-star recruit in the last 20 years?" Jake and Hilton were the 2 players people came up with and I agreed on both.

I guess you and I are answering totally different questions because I don't know how anyone could make an argument that Jake didn't way outplay his 3 star ranking coming out of high school. Just being a 4 year starter proves that point. You're arguing Jake wasn't a star player in college. I'd agree on that.
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I think it's important to mention that Jake was a Top 5 All Hair team for UCONN as well. Not to be overlooked.
 
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