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Time to put DePaul on a PiP

uconnbill said:
Might be the worst job in the country with the lack of support. This is Chicago and the team should be much better with all that talent in the area.
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Need you say anything more

if we are poaching show some cajones & get an OG back. Pitt or Cuse go from cannon fodder in ACC to relevant again.

So, you are saying that the ACC is much stronger than the NBE?
 
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Travelman32 said:
In 2019-2020 they were 7-11 in conference and 19-17. In 2021-22 it was 6-14 and 15-16 overall.

Both times in the bottom 2 of the BE. It's not even like they have to get out of the bottom 2 perse, but just be competent like those 2 seasons. Even during 2019, 3-15 big east season they were 16-16. But this year they were wretched with 26 losses. This can't become a pattern.
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Right, we wouldn’t be having this discussion if they were a regular trash team going 7-11 in conference. But that was their modern dream season. 13 seasons in the Big East with 9 of those resulting in three or fewer wins.
 
husky429 said:
If Oklahoma is planning on firing him, that would be a great hire. Not sure why he'd leave otherwise, though.
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Guy must really love Chicago. He grew up outside the city and presumably has a lot of family in the area. Prior to the OU job he had spent 14 years coaching in Illinois. It still doesn’t make much sense to me. But reputable people have him in the mix even after the other early “candidates” like the Illinois State guy have signaled their lack of interest. I buy it more than Bobby returning to get destroyed by his brother 2x a year.
 
Palatine said:
Interesting thought. But I think that they would become the worst team in the Big East and DePaul would begin to rise. DePaul has more resources that Loyola. I think they have a better chance to be competitive.
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Loyola has an excellent coach in Drew Valentine. He'll be in the Big Ten in a year or two
 
uconnbill said:
Might be the worst job in the country with the lack of support. This is Chicago and the team should be much better with all that talent in the area.
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Didn't they just build a new practice facility or in the process of building one?

Their current setup is garbage but they are trying to improve it at least.
 
uconnbill said:
Might be the worst job in the country with the lack of support. This is Chicago and the team should be much better with all that talent in the area.
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High school bball in Chicago has changed (a lot) over the last 25+ years. DePaul and Illinois (plus a few other Big Ten schools - IU, Michigan) used to get all of the kids that played in the public high schools on the south side. And DePaul had access to the Catholic high schools in the area that sent their boys to a Catholic university.

That’s all dried up. The South side has become a gang-infested wasteland. And all of the promising prospects go to prep schools around the country. The northern suburb kids go to Duke.

Chicago ain’t the hotbed anymore
 
Tyler2Rings said:
Loyola has an excellent coach in Drew Valentine. He'll be in the Big Ten in a year or two
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This seems like a stretch to me. He's young with potential, and absolutely 0 evidence he's ready to be a high-major coach. Once he puts a team in the NCAAT a couplefew times with his own recruits, we can talk.

His first season as HC they were really good because he was resting on Moser's laurels. Considering they dropped from #29 --> #253 on Kenpom as soon as Moser's players left, it's hard for me to believe he was that good. He is having a very solid performance in the A10 this year though.
 
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runner11 said:
Guy must really love Chicago. He grew up outside the city and presumably has a lot of family in the area. Prior to the OU job he had spent 14 years coaching in Illinois. It still doesn’t make much sense to me. But reputable people have him in the mix even after the other early “candidates” like the Illinois State guy have signaled their lack of interest. I buy it more than Bobby returning to get destroyed by his brother 2x a year.
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I think you mean the Indiana St. coach. Illinois State is 15-16 overall and 9-11 in the Valley. Come to think of it DePaul hiring the Illinois St. coach makes complete sense.
 
Travelman32 said:
3-26 is a lot different than 16-16.....3 and 26 can't become a pattern, I thought that point was clear. .500 record overall (19-17 and 15-16), as was the case in 2 recent seasons would suffice....someone has to be at the bottom, if its gonna be depaul they can at least be like those two seasons, thats all I'm saying.
Really don't get your nasty attitude towards me but no interest in continuing past this point due to that so will mute the thread.
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Don't take the attitude personally, it's all in good fun. Fishy is a shark, rises to the surface once in a while to feed and leaves a fair amount of blood in the water.

No, DePaul should not be THIS bad. With the transfer portal, some programs may be destined to dwell in the cellar, unless they absolutely strike gold with a fantastic head coach. It's tough to recruit. Even if they find a hidden gem who turns out to be the next Tristen Newton or Cam Spencer, that kid will likely want to transfer.
 
husky429 said:
I know nothing about the guy, but he can't be any worse.
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Tom Kleinschmidt might be the son of the lovely and talented Bonnie Kleinschmidt.

DePaul was 69-47 while he played at DePaul from 1991-1995. Sign him up!
 
husky429 said:
This seems like a stretch to me. He's young with potential, and absolutely 0 evidence he's ready to be a high-major coach. Once he puts a team in the NCAAT a couplefew times with his own recruits, we can talk.
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We'll see. You could have said many of the same things about Kim English. I think by the end of year 5 he'll get a call.
 
husky429 said:
If Oklahoma is planning on firing him, that would be a great hire. Not sure why he'd leave otherwise, though.
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From what I've read, he hates Oklahoma and wants to move back to the Midwest. Not sure how accurate it is, but theres too much smoke to not be at least partially true
 
QDOG5 said:
I think you mean the Indiana St. coach. Illinois State is 15-16 overall and 9-11 in the Valley. Come to think of it DePaul hiring the Illinois St. coach makes complete sense.
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Yea I meant Schertz
 
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cohenzone said:
He was a mcD AA same year as Donyell. Doesn’t mean anything as far as coaching goes, but he was a very good player for DePaul when they played actual basketball.
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I knew that name rang a bell…he was a good player.
 
Sonova said:
High school bball in Chicago has changed (a lot) over the last 25+ years. DePaul and Illinois (plus a few other Big Ten schools - IU, Michigan) used to get all of the kids that played in the public high schools on the south side. And DePaul had access to the Catholic high schools in the area that sent their boys to a Catholic university.

That’s all dried up. The South side has become a gang-infested wasteland. And all of the promising prospects go to prep schools around the country. The northern suburb kids go to Duke.

Chicago ain’t the hotbed anymore
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Matas Buzelis left but that's all I know about. There certainly isn't any exodus of Chicagoland talent to New England Prep or any other Prep around the country.

There isn't the Derrick Rose, Ronnie Fields, Kevin Garnett, Benji Wilson, Jahlil Okafor, Anthony Davis at the moment but there's still a ton of talent in the area. The next biggest/star names are most likely going to be the trio of freshmen point guards- Davion Thompson, Jaxson Davis, and Devin Cleveland. They all already have Illinois offers and are doing things not many or no local freshmen have ever done.

None of what you're talking about has dried up, there seems to have been like a three to five year blip where they're not kicking out the extreme talent like usual but there's still the public school powers and Catholic school powers and still the awesome talents coming up...

The South Side has been a gang infested wasteland for decades and has been producing high D1 talent and NBA players for decades. Same goes for the West Side which is even more dangerous than the South Side.
 
gtcam said:
Need you say anything more

if we are poaching show some cajones & get an OG back. Pitt or Cuse go from cannon fodder in ACC to relevant again.

So, you are saying that the ACC is much stronger than the NBE?
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No, no no. Please stop with the conference bs.
Regional rivalries rise all boats. UConn was worse in the American mostly b/c of coaching but also b/c recruiting was harder and no one cared about most basketball opponents. All of the BE schools that switched to the ACC are worse now then they were in the BE b/c they've lost their regional connections. And it is stupid that they are in conferences centered eons away geographically that don't fit in so many ways.
 
Dogdeacon said:
No, no no. Please stop with the conference bs.
Regional rivalries rise all boats. UConn was worse in the American mostly b/c of coaching but also b/c recruiting was harder and no one cared about most basketball opponents. All of the BE schools that switched to the ACC are worse now then they were in the BE b/c they've lost their regional connections. And it is stupid that they are in conferences centered eons away geographically that don't fit in so many ways.
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Bb got worse because of coaching. The recruiting wasn’t horrible, but injuries and roster composition hurt.

FB was a complete ‘on the cheap’ effort in almost every way.
 
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uconnyankee said:
Flip the sport to football and UConn could be asked same questions.
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Well that is why we are the only Indpendent in Footbal besides Notre Dame. At least we aren't dragging down a conference overall value.
 
A few weeks ago I thought folks were being dramatic and overly critical of DePaul. I have since watched them play three or four times. I was wrong. They are incredibly terrible. It's like they are tanking for a lottery pick..for a draft that doesn't exist. How is it possible to be this bad for this long playing basketball in Chicago?
 
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MilliniumPrince said:
A few weeks ago I thought be were be dramatic and overly critical of DePaul. I have since watched them play three or four times. I was wrong. They are incredibly terrible. It's like they are tanking for a lottery pick..for a draft that doesn't exist. How is it possible to be this bad for this long playing basketball in Chicago?
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It's not just the quality of basketball, look at the arena - it's empty. No one in the city cares.
 
Can the Big East haters just have a private chat about it rather than littering the board with their misery about our conference situation every single day?

If you guys want to root for the Big 10 or SEC so badly, then root for one of those conferences. No one is stopping you.
 
John said:
It's not just the quality of basketball, look at the arena - it's empty. No one in the city cares.
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Why the hell would they care? A college located a a pro city can't be this bad for this long and keep fans engaged.

You are correct. Their arena on game day looks like a safe house for the Witness Protection Program.
 
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