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This has become just plain sad

I'll keep watching. I must be a masochist. Growing up a UConn, Patriots and Red Sox fan has gotten me used to a lot of suffering (70s, 80s, 90s). I well remember those days. I kept watching then, I'll keep watching now. The announcers were not wrong to mention 4 championships in 20 years over and over again. It was breathtaking. And when Ollie goes, I will never think it was a mistake to have hired hime. 2014 can't be a mistake. Hell, Syracuse has one and it's illegitimate.

Would I have done it all over again? Of course. But when changes are made, I'll still go on being a fan and watching even if they are mediocre.
Great post.

I still watch all the games and will get to one (I live in California so it's not more than that), but I have to admit I'm much more invested in how our guys are doing in the NBA rather than how our team is doing in the AAC. The season's over, and the KO era is soon coming to a close.
 
Honest questions for the folks saying that Ollie was better off with Hobbs, Blaney, and Miller; if they get credit for help on x's and o's, do they get some blame for our many roster issues over the past couple of years? Wasn't Miller the recruiting coordinator? And isn't part of the reason for bringing in "Kill and Chill" to fix the roster?
Yes and yes. But it's noteworthy that the guys brought in to fix the roster have actually made it worse. That suggests there's a systemic issue - i.e., the common variable is proving to be definitive.
 
Honest questions for the folks saying that Ollie was better off with Hobbs, Blaney, and Miller; if they get credit for help on x's and o's, do they get some blame for our many roster issues over the past couple of years? Wasn't Miller the recruiting coordinator? And isn't part of the reason for bringing in "Kill and Chill" to fix the roster?

Serious questions, I'm not looking to start a fight...

Everyone who has collected a penny owns some level of blame.

The only question is how to dole it out.
 
Yes and yes. But it's noteworthy that the guys brought in to fix the roster have actually made it worse. That suggests there's a systemic issue - i.e., the common variable is proving to be definitive.

Chillious has been here less than a year. Killings never recruited anyone higher than our current recruits. So... Im not sure you'd see any difference recruiting-wise, and even after grabbing the nation's top recruits for Washington, they had a pretty horrible season.

So... I'm not sure I see a correlation here.
 
Yes and yes. But it's noteworthy that the guys brought in to fix the roster have actually made it worse. That suggests there's a systemic issue - i.e., the common variable is proving to be definitive.

They've made it worse?? Killings had been on board for a year and Chillious joined up this March. So any freshman that Killings was involved with is just that; a freshman. And Chillious's effect won't be felt until Akinjo, Matthews, and Kisunas are on campus...
 
If they let Ollie go mid season, who takes over? I don't see how anything positive comes out of letting go of KO at this point. Wichita St. is going to be a gut check for this team. Either compete and keep it close and maybe pull one out or if they get completely lambasted I think that's the end of the season for this team as I think that would really take the mickey out of them. What was that crap about Larrier saying him and JA were going to combine for 50 a game? What are the odds AD David Benedict has a chat with Geno at the end of the season? Would love to see Calhoun's reaction to that :-)
 
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Honest questions for the folks saying that Ollie was better off with Hobbs, Blaney, and Miller; if they get credit for help on x's and o's, do they get some blame for our many roster issues over the past couple of years? Wasn't Miller the recruiting coordinator? And isn't part of the reason for bringing in "Kill and Chill" to fix the roster?

Serious questions, I'm not looking to start a fight...

I welcome the opportunity to have a rational discussion about basketball. In my opinion guys like Blaney Hobbs and Miller were very important in terms of game preparation, X's and O's and in-game coaching. That said I am not certain that their strength was in recruiting. They did however bring to the table a great amount of collective head coaching experience and I'm sure some of the in-game coaching suggestions that they made were beneficial.

I have no doubt that Chillious a better recruiter than any of them. I guess I look at it like I look at an actual team on the floor. You're going to have your stars; you're going to have your role players, and if everybody does their job well you've got a chance to be very successful.
 
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As a freshman in 1988 I was smack in the middle of the rise of this program. I scraped together $18 for the bus trip and ticket to MSG. I was devastated when they lost to Alan Ogg and UAB in ‘89. I was there when Gample opened. Four championships. Fast forward 30 years, and I forget when they are playing as well. I was disappointed yesterday when I realized that I had agreed to finish off the Christmas shopping with my wife. That disappointment was gone after about 5 minutes of streaming on my phone. It was replaced with a different kind of disappointment. I recalled how even after graduation in ‘91, every game used to be an event. The phone calls would fly. “Where are we watching the game?” Now, no one in our group watch games together anymore. I realized yesterday that no matter what we had going on, we got together for games. They were something that really kept us in touch with each other, and now they don’t. We tried to revive it a few times but the interest just wasn’t there.
 
What do you want to know about Ron Erhardt's 1982 team? That was the best 2-14 team in NFL history!

I like to think my recent enjoyment of 5 Super Bowl wins, 4 national basketball championships, and 3 World Series victories were not so much deserved by the program/franchises and the fans as much as they were a wild success beyond wildest dreams. I'd never trade the 2014 NC especially for any of that. But had those things never come, I probably would still be watching. I know I went to games in the early to mid 1980s all the time. And there was a lot of fan enthusiasm in the HCC during those games. It wasn't all just horrible.
I see potential in some of our young guys but they need to develop if we are going to compete. There is still time to salvage this season; at least from being a total disaster. We showed promise in the first half against MSU and against Arizona.
We showed nothing against Auburn. Forget the X's and O's. There isn't a Div. 1 coach who doesn't get X's and O's including KO. The question is "what should we do different?" I guess go to the hole more and don't settle for outside shots. Then you look at this team and realize we are very young in the front court and our back court players don't have the ability to penetrate with the exception of Jalen. Larrier has an awful handle.
Our deficiencies are obvious but the lack of intensity is what concerns me most. We gave up against Auburn and that is unforgivable.
 
I welcome the opportunity to have a rational discussion about basketball. In my opinion guys like Blaney Hobbs and Miller were very important in terms of game preparation, X's and O's and in-game coaching. That said I am not certain that their strength was in recruiting. They did however bring to the table a great amount of collective head coaching experience and I'm sure some of the in-game coaching suggestions that they made were beneficial.

I have no doubt that Chillious a better recruiter than any of them. I guess I look at it like I look at an actual team on the floor. You're going to have your stars; you're going to have your role players, and if everybody does their job well you got a chance to be very successful.

I always had respect for Hobbs, even during his days at GW where he was in a no-win situation. But I look at the issues of this team and I see severe roster problems. I think the coach that could take this roster on a deep tourney run would deserve the Nobel Prize for basketball. That's not to say that there is nothing to be done to improve us; I think there are definitely things to be done. But our current roster make-up in my opinion makes it extremely difficult. Over the last couple of days, I've actually been wishing that Enoch didn't take off. I Think he would have at least solved the center position issue that has us fielding players like DO right now...
 
This season has been very frustrating, but somewhat expected. We lost 4 top 100 recruits late in the season and replaced them with grad transfers and jucos. The transfers and jucos were brought in to fill out the roster, not because they were top basketball players. We have 2 players that played together coming into this season and it was for one season. And, our point guard is injured.

In my opinion, the poor play has more to do with the players on the roster, not the coaching. If you want to blame Ollie for anything, I would blame him for the roster blowing up at the end of the season. If no players had transferred or didn't back out of their commitment, we would have had 7 top 100 players on the roster. Instead, with Gilbert out, we have 2.

End of the day, we need to see if Ollie can coach this roster up to be respectable by mid season. Anyone who was expecting an NCAA berth with this roster and with Gilbert injured was delusional.
What coaching? My 8th grade team ran a more complex offense than Ollie. Passing the ball around the perimeter for 25 seconds and then letting Adams or Larrier play hero ball isn't an offense.
 
But when until changes are made, I'll still go on being a fan and watching even if they are mediocre.
FIFY since we don't know when, but we know now. At least it my sentiment.
 
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Honest questions for the folks saying that Ollie was better off with Hobbs, Blaney, and Miller; if they get credit for help on x's and o's, do they get some blame for our many roster issues over the past couple of years? Wasn't Miller the recruiting coordinator? And isn't part of the reason for bringing in "Kill and Chill" to fix the roster?

Serious questions, I'm not looking to start a fight...
They were good and experienced resources for game management. I was not referring to recruiting or even player development. We look 'uncoached' during games creating bad losses. And during games, he has practically no one to turn to when compared to Miller and Hobbs.
 
I agree. This just isn't working. I have been a huge defender of HCKO for the last year or so. No more. You cannot blame injuries, the conference, or transfers on what we've seen this year.

It doesn't take talent to give effort. It doesn't take talent to play with intensity. It doesn't take talent to play smart. When teams don't play with effort, intensity, or smarts, it is a direct reflection of the head coach. I know that there is a significant buy out here. I also know that we can no longer afford to wait.

A change needs to be made right now. A change needs to be made despite the fact that it is during the season. Make coach Chillious the interim coach and we see where it goes.
 
They were good and experienced resources for game management. I was not referring to recruiting or even player development. We look 'uncoached' during games creating bad losses. And during games, he has practically no one to turn to when compared to Miller and Hobbs.

I understand that. But as they sing in The Facts Of Life; "you take the good, you take the bad..."

If they were good xo guys but bad recruiters, then we have to be honest about both sides of the coin. And now that we're in the AAC and not the old Big East, we need the very best of recruiters (sans the hookers and coke like Pitino)...
 
This rando on Twitter nailed it ;)



I don't believe that for a second. Not one second. And neither should you.

There are constant reports of Ollie himself being on recruiting trips and bball tournaments. There is no doubt at all that he works hard on the trail, and most recruits reinforce that statement.

DO and Anderson are on the roster because MAL and Enoch and others were not. It was not out of laziness. It was out of necessity...
 
The program is in a fast downward spiral. KO has no idea what is going on and/ or he has no idea how to fix it. And on the surface, it dosen't seem that his staff has any idea either.

Many possible causes - being in the AAC has been mentioned as the primary cause. I will disagree because there are G5 programs, like Villanova and Cincinnati, and Gonzaga who are highly ranked. A large part of the blame for were we are is Jim Calhoun himself. He orchestrated his retirement so the only real choice was his hand picked one - KO.

Its time to end this. KO has to go. Attendance is down in large part because this team is terrible. Its not going to get any better with Ollie at the helm. The AD's job is to figure this out and he will. We all heard the cry he couldn't fire Diaco because of the bye out. Pure BS. Same thing here.

We have become an irrelevant program. The time for change is NOW!
As I've said a few times before, There was nothing wrong with Calhoun picking Ollie - to be the interim head coach until they could do a proper search for a replacement.
 
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I didn't see the game yesterday ( mercifully) and I'm a cockeyed optimist and have been waiting for the click.


It's not coming. It's sad to have no hope before Xmas. But I have nothing to hang it on. I of course want talent , who doesn't.

But I fear our problems are bigger than talent
You've been a vocal supporter of NO. I've been quiet supporter of him. It is clear he screwed this up. His roster has been decimated by transfers and left him scrambling to put together a Frankenstein of a roster and no one looks like they know their roles. Auburn had us doubled up on the scoreboard.
 
As a freshman in 1988 I was smack in the middle of the rise of this program. I scraped together $18 for the bus trip and ticket to MSG. I was devastated when they lost to Alan Ogg and UAB in ‘89. I was there when Gample opened. Four championships. Fast forward 30 years, and I forget when they are playing as well. I was disappointed yesterday when I realized that I had agreed to finish off the Christmas shopping with my wife. That disappointment was gone after about 5 minutes of streaming on my phone. It was replaced with a different kind of disappointment. I recalled how even after graduation in ‘91, every game used to be an event. The phone calls would fly. “Where are we watching the game?” Now, no one in our group watch games together anymore. I realized yesterday that no matter what we had going on, we got together for games. They were something that really kept us in touch with each other, and now they don’t. We tried to revive it a few times but the interest just wasn’t there.
Same thing here. I was a freshman, albeit, not at UConn, in 1988 as well. I managed to get back to CT for the spring of 1990, one of only two years I managed to live IN Connecticut since I left for college in 1987-88. It will be a damn shame if the University ends up squandering everything Calhoun built.
 
On the other hand, we don't root for our favorite team in order to suffer. It's supposed to be a diverting pleasure. There are times when you just have to invoke the "life is too short" rule....

I liked your post up to where I cut it off. UConn sports have been such a passion in my life I just don't know where to turn and god knows I need something healthy to replace the void
 
Translation: "One less school I have to compete with for recruits. Keep it up!"
Exactly. Like what you're doing up there, keep sending CT's best down here so we could whip your ass.
 
Well, actually, I have been a fan since the glory days of 1953-54. I have been through the Carlson era and the Perno era, and I supported the team in those days the way I'm supporting this team -- by leaving my seat empty as a demonstration of my loyalty to the tradition of UConn basketball. I like to think that I was a small part of the protest that got Carlson replaced by Dee Rowe and Perno replaced by JC. In any case, it sure didn't hurt.
Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not going to cannonize you for your righteous boycott of the games. The identical pattern of behavior showing up to games when we are winning and staying away when we are losing is adopted by every band wagon fan in America. We get it. It is hard to root for a team that is so clearly dysfunctional and you've decided that it isn't worth the time or money spent to go see the games. That's your choice but your attempt to justify it portraying yourself as some kind of principled superfan is delusional.
 
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Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not going to cannonize you for your righteous boycott of the games. The identical pattern of behavior showing up to games when we are winning and staying away when we are losing is adopted by every band wagon fan in America. We get it. It is hard to root for a team that is so clearly dysfunctional and you've decided that it isn't worth the time or money spent to go see the games. That's your choice but your attempt to justify it portraying yourself as some kind of principled superfan is delusional.
You know, at some point I take solace in the fact that this team will continue to slink to lower and lower levels to the point that the "I'm a better fan than you" pissing contests become completely unnecessary.

Clearly, we haven't sunk to that level just yet.
 
I don't believe that for a second. Not one second. And neither should you.

There are constant reports of Ollie himself being on recruiting trips and bball tournaments. There is no doubt at all that he works hard on the trail, and most recruits reinforce that statement.

DO and Anderson are on the roster because MAL and Enoch and others were not. It was not out of laziness. It was out of necessity...

Hey tell it to Fishy!
 
This season has been very frustrating, but somewhat expected. We lost 4 top 100 recruits late in the season and replaced them with grad transfers and jucos. The transfers and jucos were brought in to fill out the roster, not because they were top basketball players. We have 2 players that played together coming into this season and it was for one season. And, our point guard is injured.

In my opinion, the poor play has more to do with the players on the roster, not the coaching. If you want to blame Ollie for anything, I would blame him for the roster blowing up at the end of the season. If no players had transferred or didn't back out of their commitment, we would have had 7 top 100 players on the roster. Instead, with Gilbert out, we have 2.

End of the day, we need to see if Ollie can coach this roster up to be respectable by mid season. Anyone who was expecting an NCAA berth with this roster and with Gilbert injured was delusional.
I think you are correct. Kevin Ollie was able to win a National Championship with a good roster and able to out-coach teams with better players (Florida, Kentucky, Michigan State). Where he has fallen short is in recruiting. We can speculate whether the recruiting is because of the AAC or the way the team was turned over to him or even his assistants. But I don't think even Jim Calhoun could win with this group of players. They are young, inexperienced and in some cases just not good enough.
 
Yeah, I'm sorry I'm not going to cannonize you for your righteous boycott of the games. The identical pattern of behavior showing up to games when we are winning and staying away when we are losing is adopted by every band wagon fan in America. We get it. It is hard to root for a team that is so clearly dysfunctional and you've decided that it isn't worth the time or money spent to go see the games. That's your choice but your attempt to justify it portraying yourself as some kind of principled superfan is delusional.
Here's where I sit on this. It's easy to judge fans who don't attend games as bandwagon fans but to me it's not about whether they're losing but HOW they're losing. I've had season tickets while at UConn and several years as an alum. While I lived in Florida, I badly missed attending games and the religion of UConn basketball that used to get so many of us through the CT winters. UConn basketball is one of the reasons I moved back to this otherwise unappealing state.

The games I attended since I came back in 2015 have NOT been the UConn basketball I can identify with. Whether it was a meltdown loss to Houston at Gampel two years ago, the blowout to Cincinnati at Gampel on Senior Day last year or the numerous other bad losses. I can accept losing if a team plays hard and represents the school well but I for one and am sitting on the sidelines this year instead of paying a lot of $ to watch this poorly coached, poorly constructed team. We are routinely outcoached, manhandled and flat out embarrassed these days. Until the nature of the games changes, I don't think it's fair to judge any of us real fans if we choose to spend our time more productively.
 
I have to to admit, I also have found myself watching less and recently not watching at all. It's not even that I am busy, I'm just too embarrassed to watch. Call me a bad fan, whatever, don't care, it's terrible basketball. It's sad when you think where we were to the reality of today.
 
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