The Walking Dead, Season 7 Part Deux

[Dove]

I simply can't grasp how a guy can become such a tyrant and get a bunch of people to just bow to him. Many of the subjects look like people who in pre-collapse life were real winners and tough guys themselves. There has to be a back story show coming. That will be a good one, if acted well.

Was he an urban school elementary school principal? A garage mechanic? A n out of work Desert Storm veteran? Ex punter for the Panthers?

Still not diggin' the too-school-for-school delivery.

 

[meyers7]

I simply can't grasp how a guy can become such a tyrant and get a bunch of people to just bow to him. Many of the subjects look like people who in pre-collapse life were real winners and tough guys themselves. There has to be a back story show coming. That will be a good one, if acted well.

Was he an urban school elementary school principal? A garage mechanic? A n out of work Desert Storm veteran? Ex punter for the Panthers?

Still not diggin' the too-school-for-school delivery.

Not sure what they are doing for a back story in the TV show. If they do anything?? But I believe in the comics he was a school gym teacher/coach and a part time car salesman. Probably a Mr Woodcock.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I simply can't grasp how a guy can become such a tyrant and get a bunch of people to just bow to him. Many of the subjects look like people who in pre-collapse life were real winners and tough guys themselves. There has to be a back story show coming. That will be a good one, if acted well.

Was he an urban school elementary school principal? A garage mechanic? A n out of work Desert Storm veteran? Ex punter for the Panthers?

Still not diggin' the too-school-for-school delivery.

That's my problem with the character all along. I think he's simply the kind of guy that other people would have taken out long, long ago, without a second thought. He has no classic leadership skills or qualities, no real charisma, and he's not physically imposing.

 

[meyers7]

That's my problem with the character all along. I think he's simply the kind of guy that other people would have taken out long, long ago, without a second thought. He has no classic leadership skills or qualities, no real charisma, and he's not physically imposing.

I disagree. I think he has a lot of leadership skills, and tons of charisma. While JD Morgan isn't really that imposing, the comic book Negan was supposedly much more imposing.

This guy tries to explain it.

 

[Dogdeacon]

There truly is no response to Meyers putting up the Negan is a genius picture, I'm saving this with the Carl is a great child actor, Governor was a good villain, they didn't stay too long at the Prison/Farm and Shane/Rick dynamic was interesting in the pantheon of Walking Dead Kool aid flavors.

 

[Fishy]

They could make The Walking Dead 50% better by leaving everything the same, but getting rid of the Negan character.

I've enjoyed this season, but they have created a one-trick character based on Arthur Fonzarelli and his bat.

 

[Dogdeacon]

They could make The Walking Dead 50% better by leaving everything the same, but getting rid of the Negan character.

I've enjoyed this season, but they have created a one-trick character based on Arthur Fonzarelli and his bat.

Too true, the plotting now all about the numbers and weapons, yet thematically it is 1 guy creating a vicious circle that makes keeping him around as important as killing him.

Ironically if they actually went with their own 'we are all Negan' thing it works better, fits in show theme of there is no escape b/c every time they kill 'Negan' its whack-a-mole.

 

[StoweD210]

I disagree. I think he has a lot of leadership skills, and tons of charisma. While JD Morgan isn't really that imposing, the comic book Negan was supposedly much more imposing.

This guy tries to explain it.

When Negan first appeared, I was going to complain about this. After thinking about it some more, I realized it's pretty baseless complaint. Comic book Negan looks a little more imposing, but it's not like he was Lord Humongous:

It wouldn't have hurt if Jeffrey Dean Morgan hit the weights like he did when he played the Comedian, but it really doesn't make a difference.

In terms of why one of the Saviors hasn't tried to kill Negan, I think fear and mistrust have a lot to do with that. It seems like all his soldiers, the people who go out and act like jerks at Hilltop, Alexandria, the Kingdom, etc, are all pretty loyal to Negan. The people in that group who might have been "soft" and questioned Negan's methods were probably weeded out a while ago. If you're one of the regular people back at the Savior's compound, you also need to be careful voicing any anti-Negan statements. Say it to the wrong person and you could end up as a walker on the fence or being tossed into a furnace. I don't think there's a shortage of people there who want to kill Negan, but they're unsure who they can trust and how they'll get a chance to take action.

 

[meyers7]

There truly is no response to Meyers putting up the Negan is a genius picture, I'm saving this with the Carl is a great child actor, Governor was a good villain, they didn't stay too long at the Prison/Farm and Shane/Rick dynamic was interesting in the pantheon of Walking Dead Kool aid flavors.

You do realize that is not a picture, but a video...right? nah, you probably aren't that perceptive.

 

[Dogdeacon]

You do realize that is not a picture, but a video...right? nah, you probably aren't that perceptive.

I'm glad you have the time to watch videos about opinions about supporting characters on tv shows, but it doesn't give you license to hurl personal insults. As always perception can be about seeing more than what's on the screen, but when so many disagree, its possible the execution was flawed AND that its an overreach. Others aren't smart enough to see what you see is a blindman's stick.

Good episode last night, liked everything but ironically the ending Negan assignation plot again.
Michonne + Rick buddy caper bottle episode could have carried the day. It appears they operate under budget constraints with characters not appearing in episodes. Weird that creatively they (mostly Kirkman who seems control freak otherwise) agree to that.

 

[meyers7]

I'm glad you have the time to watch videos about opinions about supporting characters on tv shows, but it doesn't give you license to hurl personal insults. As always perception can be about seeing more than what's on the screen, but when so many disagree, its possible the execution was flawed AND that its an overreach. Others aren't smart enough to see what you see is a blindman's stick.

Good episode last night, liked everything but ironically the ending Negan assignation plot again.
Michonne + Rick buddy caper bottle episode could have carried the day. It appears they operate under budget constraints with characters not appearing in episodes. Weird that creatively they (mostly Kirkman who seems control freak otherwise) agree to that.

You don't have to watch the video, probably beyond you anyway, but you should be able to tell the difference between a picture and a video. Which was the point.

 

[intlzncster]

The trash people are stupid. Wannabe Yodas.

 

[wethyhusky]

The trash people are stupid. Wannabe Yodas.

I was thinking weak ass vulcans

 

[Dogdeacon]

You don't have to watch the video, probably beyond you anyway, but you should be able to tell the difference between a picture and a video. Which was the point.

No one is watching that other than you, so serves as a picture for all of us scrolling thru thread. There is a play button making this your most inane argument ever which is an achievement.

 

[Mano]

Episode was good up until the last two minutes.

• Fun little diversionary road trip to score some booty. Felt almost videogame-esque where Rick and Michonne beat the dungeon and took home the bounty.
• These garbage people would be fine if not for their stupid dialect. It's been like, what, 3 years since the end of civilization? How have they evolved a language in that time? Just dumb, and annoying.
• Sasha and Rosita are being predictably shortsighted. Yea they think they're cutting the head off, but the rest of the Saviors would still have all of Hilltop, Alexandria and the Kingdom outmanned and outgunned. I mean just look at how easily they infiltrated Hilltop with that burning car/walker attack. Unless their plan is to take out as many of Negan's lieutenants too.

 

[StoweD210]

Episode was good up until the last two minutes.

• Fun little diversionary road trip to score some booty. Felt almost videogame-esque where Rick and Michonne beat the dungeon and took home the bounty.
• These garbage people would be fine if not for their stupid dialect. It's been like, what, 3 years since the end of civilization? How have they evolved a language in that time? Just dumb, and annoying.
• Sasha and Rosita are being predictably shortsighted. Yea they think they're cutting the head off, but the rest of the Saviors would still have all of Hilltop, Alexandria and the Kingdom outmanned and outgunned. I mean just look at how easily they infiltrated Hilltop with that burning car/walker attack. Unless their plan is to take out as many of Negan's lieutenants too.

Agreed. I guess they need something to set them apart, otherwise they'd just be the folks from Hilltop living in a garbage dump.

I can't even get mad at the show for the garbage dump people demanding even more guns. How often does a specific number come up in the search for food, guns, ammunition, etc? Even Negan doesn't ask for that, so why would Rick or anyone in his group think that 63 guns wouldn't be enough? It moves the plot along with Tara having to tell Rick about the fisherwomen and their arsenal, so it served a purpose.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Agreed. I guess they need something to set them apart, otherwise they'd just be the folks from Hilltop living in a garbage dump.

I can't even get mad at the show for the garbage dump people demanding even more guns. How often does a specific number come up in the search for food, guns, ammunition, etc? Even Negan doesn't ask for that, so why would Rick or anyone in his group think that 63 guns wouldn't be enough? It moves the plot along with Tara having to tell Rick about the fisherwomen and their arsenal, so it served a purpose.

That's funny & 100% right that Rick's count was probably the first very specific counting of guns, gas, water or food we've EVER seen on this show. They've assiduously avoided b/c its not what the show is about and they'd easily get bogged down/confused/contradict if they tried to grapple with anything other than vague scarcity of resource (i.e. the infamous grain = intellect chart from congresswoman & Alexandria chief Deanna comes to mind).

However this is an example of why they can never mention #s of anything again. Despite his master negotiation ('say yes', done for comedies sake I know) Rick might have asked how many the first time and certainly should have asked how many more the second time.

 

[Fishy]

"I really do not get the Walking Dead. Some guy runs around acting like a sociopathic and everyone lets him get away with it."

"Sounds like the Boneyard."

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'm going to throw this out because it occurred to me when Rick and Michonne found that cache of food and then all the weapons. They have cars. Hell, there was a Humvee at the fair or whatever. Pack up the people you care about, including Jesus and anyone from Hilltop and The Kingdom who has proven useful and move on. Get out of range of the Saviors.

Isn't that the right play at this point? Alexandria is nice, but it's not irreplaceable.

 

[Mano]

I'm going to throw this out because it occurred to me when Rick and Michonne found that cache of food and then all the weapons. They have cars. Hell, there was a Humvee at the fair or whatever. Pack up the people you care about, including Jesus and anyone from Hilltop and The Kingdom who has proven useful and move on. Get out of range of the Saviors.

Isn't that the right play at this point? Alexandria is nice, but it's not irreplaceable.

I'll take you one further, pack up and head north. Find a nice spot where the winters don't offer too much snow but the temps get to freezing for days on end, then take a sledgehammer to some zombie popsicles. At the very least, while they'll have to worry about firewood and staying warm, they won't have to worry about walkers for a couple months out of the year.

 

[Fishy]

I'm going to throw this out because it occurred to me when Rick and Michonne found that cache of food and then all the weapons. They have cars. Hell, there was a Humvee at the fair or whatever. Pack up the people you care about, including Jesus and anyone from Hilltop and The Kingdom who has proven useful and move on. Get out of range of the Saviors.

And in one paragraph, HuskyHawk ends The Walking Dead.

In the series finale, they settle down in Paramus, New Jersey and live happily ever after.

 

[Dogdeacon]

And in one paragraph, HuskyHawk ends The Walking Dead.

In the series finale, they settle down in Paramus, New Jersey and live happily ever after.

Oh c'mon - its the premise's central tenant and paradox, if zombies can exist they are like the mailman on their appointed rounds.

In the context of Eugene's smelting zombie exercise the following occurred to me for a split second: If the zombies on sticks outside Negan HQ are constantly decomposing shouldn't we be all done with zombies in general? Of course instead 20,000 new dead people vacation in VA & GA every month.

 

[Fishy]

If we were to apply reality, maggots would have done the entire zombie horde to death in about three days.

 

[intlzncster]

In reading this thread, it occurred to me that all anyone seems to want to do is survive. If I had all that time on my hands, I'd scavenge, and see the sights in the process. Grand Canyon, Amazon,....Machu Pichu by yourself - how ridiculous would that be. Right now it's a conveyor belt of tourists hiking up and down the mountain everyday. Might as well be a starbucks up there. I'm sure any zombies would have fallen off the mountain, so you could experience a couple thousand year old spectacle by yourself. Would be awesome.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'll take you one further, pack up and head north. Find a nice spot where the winters don't offer too much snow but the temps get to freezing for days on end, then take a sledgehammer to some zombie popsicles. At the very least, while they'll have to worry about firewood and staying warm, they won't have to worry about walkers for a couple months out of the year.

That's what I was thinking. Yes it ends the show...but Rick is saying, we need to fight and we're all gonna die. So...really?

 

[Tommyboy]

In last nights episodes they had a drop for 12 god damn cantaloupes. Are they serious? They wasted their gas and time for 12 cantaloupes? Then they came back again for 1 more the next day.

Maybe space out the drops so the delivery is more than 12 cantaloupes.

 

[Huskyforlife]

In last nights episodes they had a drop for 12 god damn cantaloupes. Are they serious? They wasted their gas and time for 12 cantaloupes? Then they came back again for 1 more the next day.

Maybe space out the drops so the delivery is more than 12 cantaloupes.

That bothered me as well. Then they shoot the kid over the missing one, and the guy acts remorseful when he finds out the kid died.

 

[Dogdeacon]

That bothered me as well. Then they shoot the kid over the missing one, and the guy acts remorseful when he finds out the kid died.

I'm certain the talk show & apologists will tell you the point was that the saviors are trivial, its about power and the point is that they kill or do whatever they want over even the smallest slight. But yes the waste of everyone's time, resources, effort & risk would seem to undermine that point a little bit.

Comes back to point above that show is too dumb to handle specifics & numbers. I get a lot more at weekly summer farm share for 1 family! The geniuses could've added bags of lettuce, onions, corn etc and kept intact the 11/12 melon story.
Speaking of which, anyone know where cantaloupes go in the summer?

 

[storrsroars]

Speaking of which, anyone know where cantaloupes go in the summer?

That would be John Cougar's Melon Camp.

 

[StoweD210]

In last nights episodes they had a drop for 12 god damn cantaloupes. Are they serious? They wasted their gas and time for 12 cantaloupes? Then they came back again for 1 more the next day.

Maybe space out the drops so the delivery is more than 12 cantaloupes.

Maybe Negan really, really, really, really likes cantaloupes. A lot.

Like you said, though, it would have made more sense if it there were a variety of items in the tribute, but the sticking point was that it was short one cantaloupe. In addition to the time and gas, it didn't make much sense for both sides to send full crews for such a small exchange. Even if everything went smoothly, the Kingdom had 7 people, including their leader, out on a mission to deliver 12 pieces of fruit.

I think this point can be explained by the shock of the events and only a day passing between the meetings, but shouldn't someone from the Kingdom group been curious about how they ended up with only 11 cantaloupes? They had 12 when they left, so one must have disappeared on the trip. Either a stranger snuck up and took just one during the shopping cart delay, or someone in their group took one. I can accept, though, that these people have been through a lot, live in a crazy time and just lost a friend, so giving the situation the CSI treatment may not have been their immediate priority.