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Fightin Choke said:
Question: With things as they are (based on the reveal tonight), why does ND have to go out to Portland to play an away game against Oregon if they are higher on the S-curve than UConn? Shouldn't UConn be sent to Oregon for the "away" game against Oregon while ND gets Miss St. in Albany (a neutral(ish) game for both teams)? I realize that the ACC tournament will change this scenario in some way, but as things stand now, it doesn't seem fair.
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My less technical answer:

Because all the UConn fans who bought tickets for Albany a long time ago wouldn’t make the mistake of doing that again.

ND fan saying, “...it doesn’t seem fair.” Really? :D:D
 
j66kicker said:
My less technical answer:

Because all the UConn fans who bought tickets for Albany a long time ago wouldn’t make the mistake of doing that again.

ND fan saying, “...it doesn’t seem fair.” Really? :D:D
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Well Many ND fans did buy tickets for Chicago myself included I’m not gonna go if ND doesn’t end up in the Chicago Region. So I’m hoping they can win the ACC Tourny.
 
j66kicker said:
My less technical answer:

Because all the UConn fans who bought tickets for Albany a long time ago wouldn’t make the mistake of doing that again.

ND fan saying, “...it doesn’t seem fair.” Really? :D:D
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I wonder how many ND fans bought tickets to Chicago?
 
IrishTiger said:
Well Many ND fans did buy tickets for Chicago myself included I’m not gonna go if ND doesn’t end up in the Chicago Region. So I’m hoping they can win the ACC Tourny.
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Same issue. If the Irish take care of business, then no problemo
 
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Plebe said:
The committee can deviate from the S-curve for certain reasons, and geography is one of them. If Louisville is sent to Chicago, their thinking is that Notre Dame has to take a plane flight regardless. So they send them to Portland so that Albany can go to a "driving-distance" team.
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If that is the case, then they shouldn't make a regional so close to UConn that they are guaranteed to attend that location. Notre Dame is getting 'evicted' from their 'local' regional because it is driving distance to another 1-seed team. When UConn was moved to a 2-seed, they were still placed in Albany. Do you think that is equitable? Between Bridgeport and Albany, there are no other teams to challenge UConn geographically.
 
Fightin Choke said:
If that is the case, then they shouldn't make a regional so close to UConn that they are guaranteed to attend that location. Notre Dame is getting 'evicted' from their 'local' regional because it is driving distance to another 1-seed team. When UConn was moved to a 2-seed, they were still placed in Albany. Do you think that is equitable? Between Bridgeport and Albany, there are no other teams to challenge UConn geographically.
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Oh for cryin' out loud.

Regionalization always creates "inequities" of one kind or another. If Syracuse were higher seeded than UConn, then UConn would be "evicted" from its nearby regional as well. It's not UConn's or the committee's fault that Syracuse didn't have a better season.

If Notre Dame hadn't pooped the bed against North Carolina and Miami, then none of their entitled fans would be whining about this. Losing has consequences.
 
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I wonder as long as Syracuse makes it to Friday... and Miami makes it to Saturday in Greensboro if they keep their positions.
 
I like the timing of the reveal. It makes the conference tournaments across the board more interesting as early upsets could have impact on the Top 16 just revealed.
 
I'll just say this.

If the Huskies, Bulldogs, Beavers and Canes end up together in Albany, that's one helluva 4 team tourney.
 
Plebe said:


Biggest movers since Feb. 11:

Up: Notre Dame (+3), Miami (+3)
Down: Marquette (from #9 to out)
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What did UCONN do wrong for the committee to drop them to #4 since last week? They were forecast to play the #7 seed & now they have #5 Miss State in their bracket.
 
I still don't understand this stuff.
UConn has 2 losses to 2 other #1 seeds. The Golden Domers have 3 losses, 1 against UConn and a BAD loss against UNCheats.
Is it only because they are in the ACC and we are in the AAC? Will the #1 Seeds change if Louisville or the GDers don't make it to the ACC Championship game?
 
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You can go ahead and draw in Baylor, which is going to get beat by the first team that has some athletic ability and plays intelligently. It's their kryptonite and that kryptonite doesn't exist in the Big 12. You can draw in UConn. The conference giveth and the taketh away. Otherwise UConn would be the #1 overall seed. Lots still to be decided in the ACC (personally I don't think ND will be using those frequent flyer miles) SEC and Pac 12. I'm not a big believer in Oregon either. None of the current #1 seeds should fear meeting them in a 1 vs 2 matchup. Unless the game is moved from Portland to Eugene.
 
LoTrader said:
Biggest surprise for me was Iowa jumping to a #2 seed.
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Agree. Iowa/NC St./MD all in contention for final #2 seed right now it seems. MD won B10, but Iowa beat MD in their only meeting. Assuming NC State loses in ACC semis to either ND or Louisville, you'd think it might go to whomever wins B10 tourney between Iowa and MD? (Unless of course, it's my Scarlet Knights!) Oregon St could also potentially sneak in there if they win Pac 10?
 
jaydee602 said:
What did UCONN do wrong for the committee to drop them to #4 since last week? They were forecast to play the #7 seed & now they have #5 Miss State in their bracket.
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Actually UConn moved up from 5 to 4 for the Committee's top 16.
This is not related to any "weekly" poll or bracketology.
 
kenja said:
You can go ahead and draw in Baylor, which is going to get beat by the first team that has some athletic ability and plays intelligently. It's their kryptonite and that kryptonite doesn't exist in the Big 12. You can draw in UConn. The conference giveth and the taketh away. Otherwise UConn would be the #1 overall seed. Lots still to be decided in the ACC (personally I don't think ND will be using those frequent flyer miles) SEC and Pac 12. I'm not a big believer in Oregon either. None of the current #1 seeds should fear meeting them in a 1 vs 2 matchup. Unless the game is moved from Portland to Eugene.
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Still a fair number of non believers in Oregon--not sure why that is? Not sure if that means non-believer(s) in the PAC-12? In any case, I still see ASU & UCLA as extremely difficult teams to play for any #1 or #2 seed. I wouldn't want either of those teams in my bracket.
 
Centerstream said:
I still don't understand this stuff.
UConn has 2 losses to 2 other #1 seeds. The Golden Domers have 3 losses, 1 against UConn and a BAD loss against UNCheats.
Is it only because they are in the ACC and we are in the AAC? Will the #1 Seeds change if Louisville or the GDers don't make it to the ACC Championship game?
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They're clearly placing more value on the quality wins vs the losses. Also, I think they really want to set up the possible UConn-Miss St rematch if it makes sense.
 
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Centerstream said:
I still don't understand this stuff.
UConn has 2 losses to 2 other #1 seeds. The Golden Domers have 3 losses, 1 against UConn and a BAD loss against UNCheats.
Is it only because they are in the ACC and we are in the AAC? Will the #1 Seeds change if Louisville or the GDers don't make it to the ACC Championship game?
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Notre Dame has a huge edge over UConn in terms of RPI top 25 and top 50 wins. Quality wins earn you extra leeway on a (relatively) "bad" loss.

But putting ND #3 ahead of UConn didn't affect the bracket one bit. UConn is still in Albany and is still paired with #6 Mississippi St.
 
jaydee602 said:
Well, they were a #1 seed last week in the reveal, so they had to be in the top 4. Or am I confused as usual?
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Based on their graphic, they moved from a #2 seed to a #1 seed in this reveal.
 
IWearShoes said:
They're clearly placing more value on the quality wins vs the losses. Also, I think they really want to set up the possible UConn-Miss St rematch if it makes sense.
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No, they don't care per se about setting up a rematch. That is not a factor.
 
Plebe said:
Notre Dame has a huge edge over UConn in terms of RPI top 25 and top 50 wins. Quality wins earn you extra leeway on a (relatively) "bad" loss.

But putting ND #3 ahead of UConn didn't affect the bracket one bit. UConn is still in Albany and is still paired with #6 Mississippi St.
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Personally I think head to head should be a bigger factor...but then how would that work out for Louisville and their loss to ND, so nevermind...
 
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