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vowelguy

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How they fared since Monday:
  1. Baylor def Kansas St 71-48; def Okla 87-53
  2. Louisville LOST to #16 Miami 79-73
  3. Oregon def #12 Oregon St 77-68
  4. Miss St LOST to Mizzou 75-67; def TAMU 92-64
  5. UConn def #13 So Car 97-79, def UCF 78-41
  6. ND def BC 97-47
  7. Stanford def UCLA 65-51; def USC 69-67
  8. NC St def Syracuse 77-73
  9. Marquette LOST to St Johns 81-74; def Seton Hall 109-63
  10. Iowa def Illinois 88-66; def #11 Maryland 86-73
  11. Maryland def Nebraska 89-63; LOST to #10 Iowa 86-73
  12. Oregon St LOST to #3 Oregon 77-68
  13. So Car LOST to #4 UConn 97-79; def Georgia 65-57; def Florida 96-77
  14. Gonzaga def San Diego 71-44; LOST to BYU 66-64
  15. Iowa St LOST to TCU 76-69; def Okla St 89-67
  16. Miami def #2 Lou 79-73
 

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This is what I would guess now:
  1. Bay
  2. Ore (+1)
  3. Lou (-1)
  4. UConn (+1)
  5. ND (+1)
  6. Miss St (-2)
  7. Stan
  8. NC St
  9. Iowa (+1)
  10. Marq (-1)
  11. Md
  12. Mia (+4)
  13. Ore St (-1)
  14. So Car (-1)
  15. Ariz St <- new
  16. Iowa St (-1)
 
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This is what I would guess now:
  1. Bay
  2. Ore (+1)
  3. Lou (-1)
  4. UConn (+1)
  5. ND (+1)
  6. Miss St (-2)
  7. Stan
  8. NC St
  9. Iowa (+1)
  10. Marq (-1)
  11. Md
  12. Mia (+4)
  13. Ore St (-1)
  14. So Car (-1)
  15. Ariz St <- new
  16. Iowa St (-1)
I'm with you on the top 9.
I think Marquette's loss to St. John's drops them behind Maryland.
 

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which would make brackets of

NY: 4 CT_ / 5 ND__ /11 MD__ / 13 OrSt [33]
NC: 1 Bay / 6 MsSt /12 Mia_ / 15 AzSt [34]
IL: 3 Lou / 7 Stan /10 Marq / 14 SoCar [34]
OR: 2 Ore / 8 NCSt / 9 Iowa / 16 IaSt [35]


The 1st committee bracket suggested that they do not want to put NC St as 2 seed in Greensboro against the overall #1. So I've continued that trend.
 
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which would make brackets of

NY: 4 CT_ / 5 ND__ /11 MD__ / 13 OrSt [33]
NC: 1 Bay / 6 MsSt /12 Mia_ / 15 AzSt [34]
IL: 2 Lou / 7 Stan /10 Marq / 14 SoCar [33]
OR: 3 Ore / 8 NCSt / 9 Iowa / 16 IaSt [36]


The 1st committee bracket suggested that they do not want to put NC St as 2 seed in Greensboro against the overall #1. So I've continued that trend.
I hope the committee wouldn't think that way. I would rather play NC State in their backyard than Mississippi State. There is a significant dropoff in quality after the top 6.
 

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which would make brackets of

NY: 4 CT_ / 5 ND__ /11 MD__ / 13 OrSt [33]
NC: 1 Bay / 6 MsSt /12 Mia_ / 15 AzSt [34]
IL: 2 Lou / 7 Stan /10 Marq / 14 SoCar [33]
OR: 3 Ore / 8 NCSt / 9 Iowa / 16 IaSt [36]


The 1st committee bracket suggested that they do not want to put NC St as 2 seed in Greensboro against the overall #1. So I've continued that trend.
State would be the weakest #2.... so they SHOULD be paired with the strongest #1. Its moot point cause I cant see them holding on to a #2. Would the committee be against them as a 4 in Greensboro?
 
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which would make brackets of

NY: 4 CT_ / 5 ND__ /11 MD__ / 13 OrSt [33]
NC: 1 Bay / 6 MsSt /12 Mia_ / 15 AzSt [34]
IL: 2 Lou / 7 Stan /10 Marq / 14 SoCar [33]
OR: 3 Ore / 8 NCSt / 9 Iowa / 16 IaSt [36]


The 1st committee bracket suggested that they do not want to put NC St as 2 seed in Greensboro against the overall #1. So I've continued that trend.
Don’t they care more about where these teams play than where they rank? Such as keeping UConn in Albany. Wouldn’t they be inclined to put NC State in Greensboro and/or keep Stanford out West and/or ND in the Midwest. Just wondering
 
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Don’t they care more about where these teams play than where they rank? Such as keeping UConn in Albany. Wouldn’t they be inclined to put NC State in Greensboro and/or keep Stanford out West and/or ND in the Midwest. Just wondering
Oregon is staying out west. They are the one seed, compared to Stanford. They don't want two teams from the same conference to be sent to the same region . ... Top 16 that is
 
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The 1st committee bracket suggested that they do not want to put NC St as 2 seed in Greensboro against the overall #1. So I've continued that trend.
I really don't understand that. Why would the committee not want to put NC State as the last 2 seed in Greensboro? That would honor both the S-curve and geography.
 

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State would be the weakest #2.... so they SHOULD be paired with the strongest #1.
Yes.
And yet the committee paired #1 Bay with #6 ND and #3 Ore with #8 NC St on Monday. Since they are from the same conf, they could have easily flipped ND/NC St.

Why didn't they?

Either they did not want
(a) the overall #1 to have play NC St in Gboro OR
(b) a ND/Ore rematch from last year.
 

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Teams from the same conference _cannot_ be in the top 4 of the same region (unless more than 4 teams from a conf are in the top 16).
 
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Either they did not want
(a) the overall #1 to have play NC St in Gboro OR
(b) a ND/Ore rematch from last year.
Oh yeah, I believe that (b) was the overriding concern in this case.
 

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Oh yeah, I believe that (b) was the overriding concern in this case.
Instead of Creme whining about the unbalanced brackets, it would've been nice had he did some work on this question. Since that was a key reason for the unbalanced brackets.
 

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Oh yeah, I believe that (b) was the overriding concern in this case.
So if that were the case, then:

NY: 4 CT_ / 5 ND__ /11 MD__ / 13 OrSt [33]
NC: 1 Bay / 8 NCSt / 9 Iowa / 15 AzSt [33]
IL: 3 Lou / 7 Stan /10 Marq / 14 SoCar [34]
OR: 2 Ore / 6 MSSt /12 Miam / 16 IaSt [36]
 

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State would be the weakest #2.... so they SHOULD be paired with the strongest #1. Its moot point cause I cant see them holding on to a #2. Would the committee be against them as a 4 in Greensboro?

Agreed!
 

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The ACC tournament is shaping up to be something else. We're potentially looking at Miami as the 1-seed with ND and Louisville as the 2 and 3 on the other side of the bracket.

Imagine ND and Louisville meeting with a a chance at both retribution against Miami and, more importantly, a shot at a #1 seed on the line.

It would not be good for my heart but I NEED that in my life.
 
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The ACC tournament is shaping up to be something else. We're potentially looking at Miami as the 1-seed with ND and Louisville as the 2 and 3 on the other side of the bracket.

Imagine ND and Louisville meeting with a a chance at both retribution against Miami and, more importantly, a shot at a #1 seed on the line.
That'd be pretty amazing, but Miami has a lot of work left in the regular season, definitely the toughest remaining schedule among the 3 teams at 12-2 (and Louisville clearly has the easiest):

Miami plays @VaTech, FSU, GaTech, @NCSt
ND plays @NCSt, Duke, @Cuse, UVa
L'ville plays @UVa, BC, NCSt, @Pitt
 

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The ACC tournament is shaping up to be something else. We're potentially looking at Miami as the 1-seed with ND and Louisville as the 2 and 3 on the other side of the bracket.

Imagine ND and Louisville meeting with a a chance at both retribution against Miami and, more importantly, a shot at a #1 seed on the line.

It would not be good for my heart but I NEED that in my life.
Some might say there is no difference in a 2 and a 3 seed in the conference tournament.... but it makes a HUGE difference in the ACC tourney in my opinion. The 2 seed plays Friday night tipoff time is 6pm. The 3rd seed plays the next game... depending on the length of the earlier game... tipoff might be 8:30pm.... game ending about 10:30..... probably not getting back to your hotel til around midnight or later.... then having to turn around and play again at 2:30pm on Saturday. Those extra 2 hours or so that the first evening game winner gets.. makes a difference.... especially if you're not a team that utilizes a deep bench.
 

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Would it be to NC State's "advantage" to "try" to slip to an overall 4-seed and have a chance to play closer to home in Greensboro? I doubt many fans will be willing to fly to Portland, Oregon. I don't want to see the Wolfpack Women lose any games at all...but if two losses mean I can drive 3 hours to Greensboro for a Sweet 16 as opposed to the impossible task of flying to the west coast, then maybe that's best.

NC State has upcoming games with Notre Dame, Louisville and Miami...all part of that three-way logjam for first place in the ACC. If NC State somehow wins two of those games, then they would certainly no longer be the weakest 2 in the national bracket. And would be a heavy favorite for a rematch against at least one member of that triumvirate in the ACCT.

We have a history of being sent out west. We had to play at UCLA to open the NCAAT a few years ago.
 

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Would it be to NC State's "advantage" to "try" to slip to an overall 4-seed and have a chance to play closer to home in Greensboro? I doubt many fans will be willing to fly to Portland, Oregon. I don't want to see the Wolfpack Women lose any games at all...but if two losses mean I can drive 3 hours to Greensboro for a Sweet 16 as opposed to the impossible task of flying to the west coast, then maybe that's best.

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#tank4Greensboro :cool:
 
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I thought Syracuse would be able to beat the depleated NC State. That was a big win for them when it comes to NCAA Seedings. They'll need to beat Notre Dame and/or Louisville to get a 2 or 3 seed. Lose to both and they will fall to a 4 seed. Without the Syracuse win, they're probably not hosting the 1st two rounds in the tournament.

With the Lady Vols win against Missouri, they should be safely in the Tournament. The only question is what seeding they will get. I suspect it will be a 7 seed.
 
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I think you left off FSU. The ACC had 8 teams originally, but the 8th was Maryland, not FSU.
Florida State was never in the Big East, Florida State became a member of the ACC in 1991 and came from the Metro Conference (see link below). That screen capture in my previous post was taken from WarrenNolan.com. I am aware of Maryland left the ACC for the Big10. The old Big East also lost West Virginia to the Big12 and Rutgers to the Big10

Atlantic Coast Conference - Wikipedia


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