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Charlie does not predict Future Games when making his brackets. The loser of Louisville vs ND Game will most likely not get a #1 seed. This presumes that either Oregon or Miss St wins out.

The question to Charlie would the loser of ND vs Louisville still get a #1 Seed. His Answer is:

It is possible, but not as likely if Miss St wins out. Same goes for if Oregon wins out with a healthy Hebard. Both Miss St and Oregon would also be collecting good wins along the way by winning out.
 
Orangutan said:
Agreed. ND has one more major pre-tournament hurdle to clear on Monday. Syracuse will likely have something like 12k fans in attendance.
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I thought Syracuse's attendance for WBB was abysmal?
 
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How they fared since Poll release on 2/11:
  1. Bay - KSt 71-48 | Okl 87-53 | KS 80-40 | #15 ISt 73-60 | Tx 64-35 |
  2. Lou - #16 Mia 73-79 | Va 71-49 | BC 87-51 | #8 NCS
  3. Ore - #12 OrSt 77-68 | #12 OrSt 62-67 | UCLA 69-74* | USC 96-78 | @Az
  4. MSt - Mizz 67-75 | TAM 92-64 | Miss 80-66 | Van 86-70 | LSU
  5. UCn - #13 SC 97-79 | UCF 78-41 | Mmp 102-45 | Tls 68-49 | @Wich
  6. NDm - BC 97-47 | #8 NCS 95-72 | Duk 89-61 | Syr 98-68 |
  7. Stn - UCLA 65-51 | USC 69-67 | AZ 56-54 | ASU 71-50 | @WSt
  8. NCS - Syr 77-73 | #6 ND 72-95 | UNC 74-69 | @#2 Lou
  9. Mrq - StJ 74-81 | SHall 109-63 | But 57-61 | Xav 79-53 | @Cre
  10. Iow - Ill 88-66 | #11 MD 86-73 | Ind 73-75 | Neb 74-58 |
  11. Mrd - Neb 89-63 | #10 Ia 73-86 | MN 71-69 | Pur 58-55 |
  12. OSt - #3 Ore 68-77 | #3 Ore 67-62 | USC 68-61 | UCLA 75-72 | @ASU
  13. SCr - #4 CT 79-97 | Ga 65-57 | Fla 96-77 | KY 57-65 | TN 82-67 | @Aub
  14. Gnz - SD 71-44 | BYU 64-66 | SCl 74-61 | SF 64-44 | Pepp
  15. ISt - TCU 69-76 | OkSt 89-67 | Okl 91-70 | #1 Bay 60-73 |
  16. Mia - #2 Lou 79-73 | VT 65-73 | FSU 64-54 | GT
Bubbling under:
  • Knky
  • Syra
  • Texa
  • TAMU
  • AzSt
 
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vowelguy said:
Thankfully they didn't break a record to see that beatdown. Only 3rd best.

I would guess 4 of their top 10 games have been blowout losses.
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Apparently Syracuse is getting snow and high winds today. Anyone who stayed home is surely glad they didn't drive through a near-blizzard to see that
 
Notre Dame's season is beginning to feel like this time last year.
 
Orangutan said:
Apparently Syracuse is getting snow and high winds today. Anyone who stayed home is surely glad they didn't drive through a near-blizzard to see that
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Yes high winds on the east coast yday.
But snow? That's just Monday in SYRA.
 
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vowelguy said:
Yes high winds on the east coast yday.
But snow? That's just Monday in SYRA.
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Sure, the snow is nothing out of the ordinary. It's the wind gusts of 50-65 mph blowing the snow around that makes driving difficult.

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IowaSt squeaks one out over TTU. A loss would've definitely killed their shot at hosting.
Still in perilous territory, but a loss would've been deadly.
 
vowelguy said:
IowaSt squeaks one out over TTU. A loss would've definitely killed their shot at hosting.
Still in perilous territory, but a loss would've been deadly.
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It was a furious comeback by Iowa St after Texas Tech led almost the entire game. Tech was up by 7 with 1:50 left and appeared to be in complete control, but then were outscored 9-0 the rest of the way. Bridget Carleton was held scoreless in the 1st half but had this stat line **in the 4th quarter alone**:
  • 15 points on 6-9 shooting
  • 4 rebounds
  • 2 blocks
  • 2 steals
  • 2 assists
And her total stats for the game: 27 pts, 11 rebs, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 3 steals.

This comeback may have saved ISU's status as a host for the first 2 rounds.
 
How they fared since Poll release on 2/11:
  1. Bay - KSt 71-48 | Okl 87-53 | KS 80-40 | #15 ISt 73-60 | Tx 64-35 | OkSt 76-44 | @WV
  2. Lou - #16 Mia 73-79 | Va 71-49 | BC 87-51 | #8 NCS 92-62 | @Pitt
  3. Ore - #12 OrSt 77-68 | #12 OrSt 62-67 | UCLA 69-74* | USC 96-78 | Az 83-54 | @ASU
  4. MSt - Mizz 67-75 | TAM 92-64 | Miss 80-66 | Van 86-70 | LSU 76-56 | @#13 SC
  5. UCn - #13 SC 97-79 | UCF 78-41 | Mmp 102-45 | Tls 68-49 | Wich 84-47 | Hou 83-61 | @USF
  6. NDm - BC 97-47 | #8 NCS 95-72 | Duk 89-61 | Syr 98-68 | Va 103-66 || ACC
  7. Stn - UCLA 65-51 | USC 69-67 | AZ 56-54 | ASU 71-50 | WSt 67-42 | @Wash
  8. NCS - Syr 77-73 | #6 ND 72-95 | UNC 74-69 | #2 Lou 62-92 | #16 Mia
  9. Mrq - StJ 74-81 | SHall 109-63 | But 57-61 | Xav 79-53 | Cre 65-71 | Prv 80-57 || BET
  10. Iow - Ill 88-66 | #11 MD 86-73 | Ind 73-75 | Neb 74-58 | NW
  11. Mrd - Neb 89-63 | #10 Ia 73-86 | MN 71-69 | Pur 58-55 | Ill 71-62 || BiG
  12. OSt - #3 Ore 68-77 | #3 Ore 67-62 | USC 68-61 | UCLA 75-72 | ASU 54-66 | @Az
  13. SCr - #4 CT 79-97 | Ga 65-57 | Fla 96-77 | KY 57-65 | TN 82-67 | Aub 73-66 | #4 MsSt
  14. Gnz - SD 71-44 | BYU 64-66 | SCl 74-61 | SF 64-44 | Pepp 83-60 | LMU 68-58 || WCC
  15. ISt - TCU 69-76 | OkSt 89-67 | Okl 91-70 | #1 Bay 60-73 | TT 64-62 | Tx 82-73 | Kan
  16. Mia - #2 Lou 79-73 | VT 65-73 | FSU 64-54 | GT 69-56 | @#8 NCS
Bubbling under:
  • Knky - Ala, Ark, #13 SC 65-57, LSU, TAMU 55-62, Ga || SEC
  • Syra - #12 NCS 73-77, WF, Pitt, #6 ND 68-98, FSU 94-88 | BC
  • Texa - OkSt, KSt 60-69, TT, #1 Bay 35-64 | #15 ISU 73-82 | TCU
  • TAMU - LSU, #4 MSt 64-92, Tn, Fla, Ky 62-55 | Ark
  • AzSt - CO, UT, Cal 60-69, #7 Stn 50-71, #9 OrSt 66-54 | #3 Ore
 
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Pending some big games tmow, here's my prelim guess for Mon nite:
  1. Bay
  2. ND
  3. Lou
  4. UConn
  5. Miss St
  6. Ore
  7. Stan
  8. NC St
  9. Md
  10. Iowa
  11. Ore St
  12. Mia
  13. SC
  14. Gonz
  15. Marq
  16. TAMU
Ia St, Az St, Syra, Ky

NY: CT_, MsSt, Mia_, Gonz [35] | Syra
NC: Bay, NCSt, OrSt, SCar [33] | IaSt
IL: ND_, Stan, Md__, Marq [33] | Ky
OR: Lou, Oreg, Iowa, TAMU [35] | Az St
 
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How they fared since Poll release on 2/11:
  1. Bay - KSt 71-48 | Okl 87-53 | KS 80-40 | #15 ISt 73-60 | Tx 64-35 | OkSt 76-44 | @WV
  2. Lou - #16 Mia 73-79 | Va 71-49 | BC 87-51 | #8 NCS 92-62 | Pit 67-40 || ACC
  3. Ore - #12 OrSt 77-68 | #12 OrSt 62-67 | UCLA 69-74* | USC 96-78 | Az 83-54 | ASU 66-59 || PAC
  4. MSt - Mizz 67-75 | TAM 92-64 | Miss 80-66 | Van 86-70 | LSU 76-56 | #13 SC 68-64 || SEC
  5. UCn - #13 SC 97-79 | UCF 78-41 | Mmp 102-45 | Tls 68-49 | Wich 84-47 | Hou 83-61 | @USF
  6. NDm - BC 97-47 | #8 NCS 95-72 | Duk 89-61 | Syr 98-68 | Va 103-66 || ACC
  7. Stn - UCLA 65-51 | USC 69-67 | AZ 56-54 | ASU 71-50 | WSt 67-42 | Wsh 72-53 || PAC
  8. NCS - Syr 77-73 | #6 ND 72-95 | UNC 74-69 | #2 Lou 62-92 | #16 Mia 70-68 || ACC
  9. Mrq - StJ 74-81 | SHall 109-63 | But 57-61 | Xav 79-53 | Cre 65-71 | Prv 80-57 || BET
  10. Iow - Ill 88-66 | #11 MD 86-73 | Ind 73-75 | Neb 74-58 | NW 74-50 || BiG
  11. Mrd - Neb 89-63 | #10 Ia 73-86 | MN 71-69 | Pur 58-55 | Ill 71-62 || BiG
  12. OSt - #3 Ore 68-77 | #3 Ore 67-62 | USC 68-61 | UCLA 75-72 | ASU 54-66 | Az 65-60ot || PAC
  13. SCr - #4 CT 79-97 | Ga 65-57 | Fla 96-77 | KY 57-65 | TN 82-67 | Aub 73-66 | #4 MsSt 64-68 || SEC
  14. Gnz - SD 71-44 | BYU 64-66 | SCl 74-61 | SF 64-44 | Pepp 83-60 | LMU 68-58 || WCC
  15. ISt - TCU 69-76 | OkSt 89-67 | Okl 91-70 | #1 Bay 60-73 | TT 64-62 | Tx 82-73 | Kan
  16. Mia - #2 Lou 79-73 | VT 65-73 | FSU 64-54 | GT 69-56 | #8 NCS 68-70 || ACC
Bubbling under:
  • Knky - Ala, Ark, #13 SC 65-57, LSU, TAMU 55-62, Ga || SEC
  • Syra - #12 NCS 73-77, WF, Pitt, #6 ND 68-98, FSU 94-88, BC || ACC
  • Texa - OkSt, KSt 60-69, TT, #1 Bay 35-64 | #15 ISU 73-82 | TCU
  • TAMU - LSU, #4 MSt 64-92, Tn, Fla, Ky 62-55, Ark || SEC
  • AzSt - CO, UT, Cal 60-69, #7 Stn 50-71, #9 OrSt 66-54, #3 Ore 59-66 || PAC
 
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Switching SC & Mia.
  1. Bay
  2. ND
  3. Lou
  4. UConn
  5. Miss St
  6. Ore
  7. Stan
  8. NC St
  9. Md
  10. Iowa
  11. Ore St
  12. SC
  13. Mia
  14. Gonz
  15. Marq
  16. TAMU
Ia St, Az St, Syra, Ky

NY: CT_, MsSt, OrSt, Miam [33] | Ky
NC: Bay, NCSt, Md__, TAMU [34] | Syra
IL: ND_, Stan, Iowa, Marq [34] | IaSt
OR: Lou, Oreg, SCar, Gonz [35] | AzSt
 
vowelguy said:
Switching SC & Mia.
  1. Bay
  2. ND
  3. Lou
  4. UConn
  5. Miss St
  6. Ore
  7. Stan
  8. NC St
  9. Md
  10. Iowa
  11. Ore St
  12. SC
  13. Mia
  14. Gonz
  15. Marq
  16. TAMU
Ia St, Az St, Syra, Ky

NY: CT_, MsSt, OrSt, Miam [33] | Ky
NC: Bay, NCSt, Md__, TAMU [34] | Syra
IL: ND_, Stan, Iowa, Marq [34] | IaSt
OR: Lou, Oreg, SCar, Gonz [35] | AzSt
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I think #2 through #4 are very tricky to sort out. Creme currently has Louisville-UConn-ND. Given that ND was #6 as of Feb. 11, would Louisville's loss to Miami be enough to move ND all the way up past them to #2? I have my doubts, but it's possible.

Creme also has Marquette still as a #4 seed, but I really think they drop out of the top 16. Their losses to St. John's, Butler and Creighton really expose their lack of quality wins (best wins are over DePaul and SDSU). All of the other teams vying for the top 16 have better wins than that.

I like Iowa State's chances of still being in the top 16.
 
My predictions, FWIW:
1. Baylor 2. Louisville 3. UConn 4. ND
5. Oregon 6. Miss St 7. Stanford 8 NC St
9. Iowa 10. Maryland 11. Oregon St 12. Miami
13. SC 14. TAMU 15. Iowa St 16. Gonzaga
[Just missed: Syracuse, Marquette, Ariz St, Kentucky]

Greensboro: 1. Baylor 2. NC St 3. Oregon St 4. SC [33]
Chicago: 1. Louisville 2. Stanford 3. Iowa 4. Iowa St [33]
Albany: 1. UConn 2. Miss St 3. Miami 4. TAMU [35]
Portland: 1. ND 2. Oregon 3. Maryland 4. Gonzaga [35]
 
Here's the committee's rankings:
1. Baylor
2. L'ville
3. ND
4. UConn

5. Oregon
6. Miss St
7. Stanford
8. Iowa

9. NC St
10. Maryland
11. Oregon St
12. SC

13. Miami
14. Iowa St
15. Syracuse
16 TAMU

And their brackets:
Greensboro: 1. Baylor 2. Iowa 3. NC St 4. TAMU
Chicago: 1. L'ville 2. Stanford 3. MD 4. Iowa St
Portland: 1. ND 2. Oregon 3. SC 4. Syracuse
Albany: 1. UConn 2. Miss St 3. Oregon St 4. Miami
 
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NC: (1) Bay (8) Iowa ( 9) NCSt (16) TAMU [34]
IL: (2) Lou (7) Stan (10) MD__ (14) IaSt [33]
OR: (3) ND_ (5) Oreg (12) SCar (15) Syra [35]
NY: (4) CT_ (6) MsSt (11) OrSt (13) Miam [34]
 
Uconn vs Miami would be interesting. Though Miami has never advanced past the 2nd round.... ever...
 
Question: With things as they are (based on the reveal tonight), why does ND have to go out to Portland to play an away game against Oregon if they are higher on the S-curve than UConn? Shouldn't UConn be sent to Oregon for the "away" game against Oregon while ND gets Miss St. in Albany (a neutral(ish) game for both teams)? I realize that the ACC tournament will change this scenario in some way, but as things stand now, it doesn't seem fair.
 
Fightin Choke said:
Question: With things as they are (based on the reveal tonight), why does ND have to go out to Portland to play an away game against Oregon if they are higher on the S-curve than UConn? Shouldn't UConn be sent to Oregon for the "away" game against Oregon while ND gets Miss St. in Albany (a neutral(ish) game for both teams)? I realize that the ACC tournament will change this scenario in some way, but as things stand now, it doesn't seem fair.
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Stuff isn’t gonna be fair. If ND didn’t lose to Miami or North Carolina we wouldn’t be in this position. I don’t think we have any room to really complain and I’m just glad we can still get ourselves in the Chicago region.
 
Fightin Choke said:
Question: With things as they are (based on the reveal tonight), why does ND have to go out to Portland to play an away game against Oregon if they are higher on the S-curve than UConn? Shouldn't UConn be sent to Oregon for the "away" game against Oregon while ND gets Miss St. in Albany (a neutral(ish) game for both teams)? I realize that the ACC tournament will change this scenario in some way, but as things stand now, it doesn't seem fair.
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The committee can deviate from the S-curve for certain reasons, and geography is one of them. If Louisville is sent to Chicago, their thinking is that Notre Dame has to take a plane flight regardless. So they send them to Portland so that Albany can go to a "driving-distance" team.
 
Fightin Choke said:
Question: With things as they are (based on the reveal tonight), why does ND have to go out to Portland to play an away game against Oregon if they are higher on the S-curve than UConn? Shouldn't UConn be sent to Oregon for the "away" game against Oregon while ND gets Miss St. in Albany (a neutral(ish) game for both teams)? I realize that the ACC tournament will change this scenario in some way, but as things stand now, it doesn't seem fair.
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Because geography is part of what the committee considers when placing the teams.

And the mens' committee does the same.
 
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