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mauconnfan said:
Peraza looks like he belongs on the playoff roster, love this kid. Hicks unfortunately had a few hits in the last few and will tantalize Cash and Boone with the dreams of a 3 run bomb. Shouldn't be but will be on the roster. What is the word on Carpenter? Such an important piece when they good offensively.
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last i heard, both carp and benny still on the 'possibly can play in postseason' list. mebbe, mebbe not. whatever.
and just like that, we're swimming in healthy players, both arms and bats.
for me, im only interested in 'the toe' and his hopeful return. we'll just have to wait and see if zack can figure it out. from his angle, if he does show up, it can mean a yuge difference in cash for him next season, which usually motivates people in their effort.
 
mauconnfan said:
Peraza looks like he belongs on the playoff roster, love this kid. Hicks unfortunately had a few hits in the last few and will tantalize Cash and Boone with the dreams of a 3 run bomb. Shouldn't be but will be on the roster. What is the word on Carpenter? Such an important piece when they good offensively.
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Boone said that there's a chance that Carpenter will rejoin the team when they go to Texas for their final regular season series.

“I think we’re holding out hope (for Texas), but we’re still a ways from even having an idea if that’s going to be possible or not,” Boone told Randy Miller earlier this week. “Obviously, a lot depends on how his week unfolds. He’s just starting to do a lot of weight-bearing things. We’ve tried to keep it in play with how we’ve maneuvered the roster, but we’ll just have to see how each day goes and where we are this time next week.”
 
I mean it would be a complete upset if the Yanks made it to the WS this year. Always hold out hope but this team lacks the staff to get there versus others staffs, the bullpen as well which has trended downward the last half. Hitting, well the other teams will not be pitching to Judge if people aren't on base, period. I'm thrilled they held on with a decent run end of the year to win the East, but from here on I'm afraid is somewhat gravy.
 
mauconnfan said:
I mean it would be a complete upset if the Yanks made it to the WS this year. Always hold out hope but this team lacks the staff to get there versus others staffs, the bullpen as well which has trended downward the last half. Hitting, well the other teams will not be pitching to Judge if people aren't on base, period. I'm thrilled they held on with a decent run end of the year to win the East, but from here on I'm afraid is somewhat gravy.
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I get your logic, but I hate this sentiment.

I don’t care what the roster is. The Yankees are where they are and the only thing to do as fans is throw logic away and just root. Save the logic for whenever the season ends, ring or no ring.

Not a dig on you personally, but so many NY sports teams’ fans have that sentiment once playoffs come close.

Don’t think. Just cheer!
 
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mauconnfan said:
I mean it would be a complete upset if the Yanks made it to the WS this year. Always hold out hope but this team lacks the staff to get there versus others staffs, the bullpen as well which has trended downward the last half. Hitting, well the other teams will not be pitching to Judge if people aren't on base, period. I'm thrilled they held on with a decent run end of the year to win the East, but from here on I'm afraid is somewhat gravy.
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oh, brother....
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mauconnfan said:
I mean it would be a complete upset if the Yanks made it to the WS this year. Always hold out hope but this team lacks the staff to get there versus others staffs, the bullpen as well which has trended downward the last half. Hitting, well the other teams will not be pitching to Judge if people aren't on base, period. I'm thrilled they held on with a decent run end of the year to win the East, but from here on I'm afraid is somewhat gravy.
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Yikes. While we didn’t keep up the 120 win pace from earlier in the year, we should still win 100 games this season and get a bye in the first round.

I wouldn’t call the 2 seed making the finals a “complete upset”.

The only team that scares me in October from the AL is the Astros. And while they should make it to the ALCS, as should we, they aren’t the world beaters they were 2 or 3 years ago. Maybe the Jays get hot at the plate and take them out.

Don’t get me wrong, we could get bounced In the divisional series by a good Mariners team. And it’s going to be an uphill battle to beat the Astros, as we have not proven we match-up with them well in October.

But in a 7 game series, I think the odds are closer to 50/50 than people make it out to be vs the space men.

I’m not counting on making a WS. But Judge is having a magical season and I feel like this is destiny to cap it off with a title.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
I get your logic, but I hate this sentiment.

I don’t care what the roster is. The Yankees are where they are and the only thing to do as fans is throw logic away and just root. Save the logic for whenever the season ends, ring or no ring.

Not a dig on you personally, but so many NY sports teams’ fans have that sentiment once playoffs come close.

Don’t think. Just cheer!
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Sorry but it’s reality. Nothing has changed over the last few years, because of Cashman, and this roster feel pitching to hitting isn’t set up to win a series against a solid winning team. I will root like hell but you all know I have said this for years. Love my Yanks but Hal and Cash have stayed with the pattern of the HR or nothing. We will have 4-5 hitters in the lineup at .225 or less. That’s not good baseball sorry if you disagree.

Waiting to eat crow and I’d love to, but doubt I will.
 
yanks hitting, as of now.
2nd in the AL, 4th in mlb.
MLB Team Hitting Stats 2022 - AVG, OPS, Home Runs & More
seems like ops is the thing for these guys judgment.

i like our chances.

and, guess the player!
our guy, 25 years old:
WAR
3.9
AB
521
H
133
HR
24
BA
.255
R
71
RBI
74
SB
10
OBP
.309
SLG
.449
OPS
.758
OPS+
113

best player in the history of history. or so im told.
not our guy, 23 years old:

WAR
5.6
AB
510
H
124
HR
26
BA
.243
R
92
RBI
61
SB
6
OBP
.404
SLG
.453
OPS
.857
OPS+
150

apparently, not our guy walks a ton, which leads to ops, which leads to 'superior' status, but, our guy looks pretty dang good when average, homers, ribbys, slugging, hits, sb's, are considered this year, and typically.
162 game expectations:
our guy : 28/87/.265/.785 ops. 156 hits.
not our guy: 33/99/.287/.951 161 hits.
walks can really juice the stats. i bet that our guy will walk more as he ages.

the same? no. but pretty dang good nonetheless. all in all, close enuf for government work.
 
It’s all about the pieces staying in tact there’s a ton of variables with this team, it’s how this roster was constructed. All about getting hot at the right time. Will have to catch the Astros by suprise gonna need unsung hero’s in the postseason.
 
mauconnfan said:
Sorry but it’s reality. Nothing has changed over the last few years, because of Cashman, and this roster feel pitching to hitting isn’t set up to win a series against a solid winning team. I will root like hell but you all know I have said this for years. Love my Yanks but Hal and Cash have stayed with the pattern of the HR or nothing. We will have 4-5 hitters in the lineup at .225 or less. That’s not good baseball sorry if you disagree.

Waiting to eat crow and I’d love to, but doubt I will.
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The point is: I’m not disagreeing with your points. I just figure, hey, it’s October: playoffs are coming. Anything can happen.

I’m a very objective person, but playoff time when fans need to throw that objectivity away and root root root. The Giants 2008 Super Bowl and UConn’s 2014 title “bucked reality” (I get reality is what actually happened, but I think you get my point).
 
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Hey Adrien! said:
The point is: I’m not disagreeing with your points. I just figure, hey, it’s October: playoffs are coming. Anything can happen.

I’m a very objective person, but playoff time when fans need to throw that objectivity away and root root root. The Giants 2008 Super Bowl and UConn’s 2014 title “bucked reality” (I get reality is what actually happened, but I think you get my point).
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How often does the best team win it all. Gonna need to get hot and lucky to beat the Astros, which is always a factor the hope is you play like the team in first half of season and learn from the torrid slump we were in.
 
looie throwing 100 mph peas.
everybody tuning up.
'Giancarlo Stanton decided that only 400 feet was a little too puny for his liking:
Ho-hum, just a casual 457-foot howitzer from the big guy. That secured Stanton’s seventh career 30-homer season and gave him 377 for his career, tying Jeff Kent and Norm Cash for 76th on the all-time list. His next one will tie Matt Williams, and two after that are a couple Hall of Famers in Tony Pérez and Orlando Cepeda at 379. Stanton has really begun to enter some lofty territory.'
thirty-two years old.
Yankees 3, Rangers 1: Sevy twirls no-hit mastery in seven
 
ClifSpliffy said:
looie throwing 100 mph peas.
everybody tuning up.
'Giancarlo Stanton decided that only 400 feet was a little too puny for his liking:
Ho-hum, just a casual 457-foot howitzer from the big guy. That secured Stanton’s seventh career 30-homer season and gave him 377 for his career, tying Jeff Kent and Norm Cash for 76th on the all-time list. His next one will tie Matt Williams, and two after that are a couple Hall of Famers in Tony Pérez and Orlando Cepeda at 379. Stanton has really begun to enter some lofty territory.'
thirty-two years old.
Yankees 3, Rangers 1: Sevy twirls no-hit mastery in seven
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They really need that Seve we saw last night to make a move. That’s a must!
 
huskeynut said:
62!!!!

All Rise - the new home king of the American League.
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So, the NL still honors Bonds and Sosa? Judge isn't the all-time season leader?
 
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Dove said:
So, the NL still honors Bonds and Sosa? Judge isn't the all-time season leader?
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Not biting on this one.

Judge is the AL season home run leader with 62.
 
huskeynut said:
Not biting on this one.

Judge is the AL season home run leader with 62.
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He’s the all time leader in a single season for baseball period.

The 8.5 hat sized monster that hit 73 as well as the runner ups Sosa and McGuire didn’t do it the right way. Everyone has an opinion but baseball is it worst own hypocrite. You can’t say “yes” to ones record for HRs but then keep that same guy out of the HOF for cheating, can you?
 
mauconnfan said:
He’s the all time leader in a single season for baseball period.

The 8.5 hat sized monster that hit 73 as well as the runner ups Sosa and McGuire didn’t do it the right way. Everyone has an opinion but baseball is it worst own hypocrite. You can’t say “yes” to ones record for HRs but then keep that same guy out of the HOF for cheating, can you?r
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Judge has his own advantages over Maris and Ruth in terms of training, supplements, and whatnot. And he's a behemoth to begin with. He never had to go through what Maris did (or Aaron for career HRs) regarding death threats for attempting to break Ruth's record and for not being the fan favorite Mantle was in '61.

Bonds won 4 MVPs during his big head period. The BBWWA votes for MVP. It also votes for HoF. So there are your hypocrites, not MLB powers that be. if you'd like more hypocrisy, Bud Selig is in the HoF and he basically sanctioned the whole steroid era.

So, records are what records are. But personally, I still find Maris's record more impressive because of the personal cost to him. And Ruth's for that matter, as it was fewer games.

Fwiw, Bonds was on track for HoF even before steroids. He was on pace for 51 dingers during the strike season of 1994. And he wasn't going out of his way to try for HRs until after seeing other roiders get paid. It's certainly within reason Bonds could've challenged 61 w/o PEDs if he made that his goal.

Even with the PEDs, looking at just 2001, Bonds averaged a HR every 6.52 abs. Judge averaged a HR every 9.19. PEDs improve recovery and maybe increase muscle mass. But you still need to get bat on ball. And Bonds did that like no other.

Lastly, if you really think Bonds was a fraud when he'd already had multiple 40+ HR seasons before PEDs, let's remember that Judge only hit 39 last year.

One thing Judge has going for him is the cosmos. The Yankees record today is 99-62. So maybe achieving the record last night was in the stars.

But you believe what you want, I'm not going to stop you. But you do sound like a homer in doing so.
 
storrsroars said:
Judge has his own advantages over Maris and Ruth in terms of training, supplements, and whatnot. And he's a behemoth to begin with. He never had to go through what Maris did (or Aaron for career HRs) regarding death threats for attempting to break Ruth's record and for not being the fan favorite Mantle was in '61.

Bonds won 4 MVPs during his big head period. The BBWWA votes for MVP. It also votes for HoF. So there are your hypocrites, not MLB powers that be. if you'd like more hypocrisy, Bud Selig is in the HoF and he basically sanctioned the whole steroid era.

So, records are what records are. But personally, I still find Maris's record more impressive because of the personal cost to him. And Ruth's for that matter, as it was fewer games.

Fwiw, Bonds was on track for HoF even before steroids. He was on pace for 51 dingers during the strike season of 1994. And he wasn't going out of his way to try for HRs until after seeing other roiders get paid. It's certainly within reason Bonds could've challenged 61 w/o PEDs if he made that his goal.

Even with the PEDs, looking at just 2001, Bonds averaged a HR every 6.52 abs. Judge averaged a HR every 9.19. PEDs improve recovery and maybe increase muscle mass. But you still need to get bat on ball. And Bonds did that like no other.

Lastly, if you really think Bonds was a fraud when he'd already had multiple 40+ HR seasons before PEDs, let's remember that Judge only hit 39 last year.

One thing Judge has going for him is the cosmos. The Yankees record today is 99-62. So maybe achieving the record last night was in the stars.

But you believe what you want, I'm not going to stop you. But you do sound like a homer in doing so.
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Wow I didn’t need to see all the numbers but thanks. By the way not at all a homer if it was Ohtani I’d say the same so you’re wrong there but nice try. And did I say Bonds was always a fraud no I didn’t so wrong again. He was already a HOFer before his hat grew 2 sizes I’ve always said that so don’t go there. Bonds was a stud the best player in the game before the needle hurt the game, not close. Sosa wasn’t a very good player but suddenly became Hulk Hogan and was good. McGuire, solid HR hitter already not great overall but again suddenly great. Say what you want they all gained major numbers because they did the needle. It improved their batting averages and with that their power was incredible.

I knew Bonds path prior and I know why he did it, feel for him. But he’s a cheater no way around it. Should he be in the Hall, well if Papi is how is he not? Three times the baseball player.

But no matter, the numbers when he did it just mean zero to me. You can think what you want that’s fine. But baseball late 90searly00s wasn’t too credible. Just me!
 
storrsroars said:
Judge has his own advantages over Maris and Ruth in terms of training, supplements, and whatnot. And he's a behemoth to begin with. He never had to go through what Maris did (or Aaron for career HRs) regarding death threats for attempting to break Ruth's record and for not being the fan favorite Mantle was in '61.

Bonds won 4 MVPs during his big head period. The BBWWA votes for MVP. It also votes for HoF. So there are your hypocrites, not MLB powers that be. if you'd like more hypocrisy, Bud Selig is in the HoF and he basically sanctioned the whole steroid era.

So, records are what records are. But personally, I still find Maris's record more impressive because of the personal cost to him. And Ruth's for that matter, as it was fewer games.

Fwiw, Bonds was on track for HoF even before steroids. He was on pace for 51 dingers during the strike season of 1994. And he wasn't going out of his way to try for HRs until after seeing other roiders get paid. It's certainly within reason Bonds could've challenged 61 w/o PEDs if he made that his goal.

Even with the PEDs, looking at just 2001, Bonds averaged a HR every 6.52 abs. Judge averaged a HR every 9.19. PEDs improve recovery and maybe increase muscle mass. But you still need to get bat on ball. And Bonds did that like no other.

Lastly, if you really think Bonds was a fraud when he'd already had multiple 40+ HR seasons before PEDs, let's remember that Judge only hit 39 last year.

One thing Judge has going for him is the cosmos. The Yankees record today is 99-62. So maybe achieving the record last night was in the stars.

But you believe what you want, I'm not going to stop you. But you do sound like a homer in doing so.
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Kind of a silly post. Judge had 52 homers as a rookie and was robbed of the MVP. Only thing that has slowed him to this point is a litany of injuries.

We all know Bonds was 1A or 1B without steroids and a first ballot hall of famer but he was a skinny 5 tool consistent 35-40 homer guy without them and an inhuman 73 homer guy with him. The strike year was Bonds best power season before he started taking roids in '98 (that we know of) but he was still only in 5th place for homers.

Of course he should be in the HOF along with Clemens, McGwire, Sosa...it was all sanctioned by MLB just give a little context to what happened, unfortunately MLB still wants to pretend it didn't all happen.
 
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I struggle with steroids tainting the numbers issue.

On one hand, clearly, steroids helped guys like Sosa, Big Mac and Bonds all bash home runs.

On the other, you could be the strongest guy in the world with the shortest recovery time after games / workouts, but you still need to make contact at the plate. Bonds was an insane hitter, batting .328 the season he set the record, with 177 walks (and only 93 strikeouts).

They cheated. It helped them. But to what degree, we will never know.

Either way, Judge has hit more home runs than any hitter ever in American League history. Judge has closed the case on that.
 
McLovin said:
I struggle with steroids tainting the numbers issue.

On one hand, clearly, steroids helped guys like Sosa, Big Mac and Bonds all bash home runs.

On the other, you could be the strongest guy in the world with the shortest recovery time after games / workouts, but you still need to make contact at the plate. Bonds was an insane hitter, batting .328 the season he set the record, with 177 walks (and only 93 strikeouts).

They cheated. It helped them. But to what degree, we will never know.

Either way, Judge has hit more home runs than any hitter ever in American League history. Judge has closed the case on that.
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It helped them all tremendously, that's why people take them. They deserve to be in the Hall because they are HOF worthy players (Bonds best position player of generation, Clemens best pitcher of his generation) and baseball condoned it. I never got the whole, you still have to hit the ball argument. Yes, you do it just makes you way better at it than you were before you took steroids.

To what degree did it help? Just look at the before and after.
 
McLovin said:
I struggle with steroids tainting the numbers issue.

On one hand, clearly, steroids helped guys like Sosa, Big Mac and Bonds all bash home runs.

On the other, you could be the strongest guy in the world with the shortest recovery time after games / workouts, but you still need to make contact at the plate. Bonds was an insane hitter, batting .328 the season he set the record, with 177 walks (and only 93 strikeouts).

They cheated. It helped them. But to what degree, we will never know.

Either way, Judge has hit more home runs than any hitter ever in American League history. Judge has closed the case on that.
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There were some better batting averages through the period but the numbers didn't increase like HRs for sure so who is to know. Although a couple .362 and .370 averages for an already good hitter in Bonds makes me believe he was seeing the ball really well.

As you say, is what it is. For the old timers it's Judge, for those who disregard the period it's Bonds. I'm fine with it either way, just wished for Bonds sake he didn't jump in the mud he was already too good for baseball to ruin that!
 
mauconnfan said:
I'm fine with it either way, just wished for Bonds sake he didn't jump in the mud he was already too good for baseball to ruin that!
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That's what frustrates me the most with Bonds. If it's true that Bonds didn't take steroids prior to the 2008 season, then he would have been a no-brainer Hall of Famer prior to his steroid use.

In terms of the record, in my mind, Judge is the true king of home runs, but in reality, my opinion means nothing. Everyone knows the steroid usage by Bonds, Sosa and McGuire, so I don't need an * or removal of their achievements to validate that Judge has done.
 
Without Aaron Judge this team doesn’t win 80 F ing games this year not 80 and you have writers who say he shouldn’t be MVP it’s the biggest BS statement I’ve ever heard.
 
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