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ShakyTheMohel said:
I was responding to your comment that Membou and Fashanu were drawing rave reviews. Your data shows that in the second game Membou came down to earth. I was in no way blaming the o line for this game.

As I mentioned a couple times now…I put this on the coaching staff. Buffalo watched the Steeler film and adjusted their defense to address. Engstrand couldn’t adjust to those changes and as a result we look inept. It’s his second game as an OC…he can only get better from here.
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Yeah, I hadn't really dug into their actual performances before I read your post and wanted to see just how much worse they played vs the situation and gameplanning and score of the game dictating playcalling.
 
Fields officially out. I am interested to see what Taylor can do. Of course I fear that Taylor will be Taylor….hold the ball too long and get injured. Then we will officially be in the Brady Cook era. Sigh.

But…let’s hope we see a healthy Taylor challenging the Bucs secondary. Hopefully a good running game helps him out.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Fields officially out. I am interested to see what Taylor can do. Of course I fear that Taylor will be Taylor….hold the ball too long and get injured. Then we will officially be in the Brady Cook era. Sigh.

But…let’s hope we see a healthy Taylor challenging the Bucs secondary. Hopefully a good running game helps him out.
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The Brady Cook era starting in September would be so Jets.
 
Ok…so I didn’t watch the second half….I was shocked to see the final score. I am soooo glad I didn’t watch the defense look like UConn’s defense on that final drive.

So what to make of this team? I am a bit surprised that AG seems so positive after the loss. Maybe that’s a good thing…but as a Jets fan it’s hard to find positivies.

It’s hard to be patient after years of ineptitude. It should be interesting to see how they do against Miami on Monday night (!).
 
Let’s boil it down.

0-3. No inkling of a long term answer at QB. Overrated defense that cannot make a stop when needed. A directionless overwhelmed first year coach who was a former def coordinator.

Let me know if that sounds familiar.
 
I just read…Quinnen WIlliams has had 3 head coaches on the Jets. All 3 started out 0-3. That’s pretty sad.
 
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OK….two bad teams meeting on Monday night football. This is a game that will be determined by which team is more desperate. I am sure both teams see this as a chance to get their first win.

I am worried about the Jets defense. Missing Johnson and two linebackers against this offense doesn’t sound like a recipe for success.

On offense…the Dolphins struggle against the run…so you would think the Jets have an advantage here. I worry that Fields will be apprehensive to run due to his recent concussion. If Fields is fully healthy, it feels like the game plan should be controlling the clock and running the heck out of the ball.

I think the Jets are in a better mental state than the Dolphins and will handle the peaks and valleys better in this game. But I am also a long term Jet fan with PTSD and worry that somehow Zach Wilson will come off the bench and pass for 300 yards.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
OK….two bad teams meeting on Monday night football. This is a game that will be determined by which team is more desperate. I am sure both teams see this as a chance to get their first win.

I am worried about the Jets defense. Missing Johnson and two linebackers against this offense doesn’t sound like a recipe for success.

On offense…the Dolphins struggle against the run…so you would think the Jets have an advantage here. I worry that Fields will be apprehensive to run due to his recent concussion. If Fields is fully healthy, it feels like the game plan should be controlling the clock and running the heck out of the ball.

I think the Jets are in a better mental state than the Dolphins and will handle the peaks and valleys better in this game. But I am also a long term Jet fan with PTSD and worry that somehow Zach Wilson will come off the bench and pass for 300 yards.
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After the Ryder Cup and Mets debacle, I could care less about this stupid game. I will say, we heard about Braelon Allen all preseason and now would be the time to hammer him.
 
Deepster said:
After the Ryder Cup and Mets debacle, I could care less about this stupid game. I will say, we heard about Braelon Allen all preseason and now would be the time to hammer him.
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After getting trounced by Buffalo…and quickly falling behind against the Bucs, hopefully the run game and Allen get back on track tonight.

It feels like Engstrand wants to be a running team, but other teams scheme against that and he can’t adjust.

I want to see Mason Taylor more involved. It seems like he would be a great outlet for Fields.
 
Well coached teams don’t turn the ball over and commit excessive penalties.

It’s hard to invest time in a team that’s so frustrating to watch…year after year. All I wanted to see this year was a disciplined team who played hard. Fields was actually decent…the run game was decent…but the fumbles killed them.

They have no pass rush…Sauce keeps getting PI calls. I knew we would have growing pains with a first time OC.Defense doesn’t have that excuse.

What a mess.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Well coached teams don’t turn the ball over and commit excessive penalties.

It’s hard to invest time in a team that’s so frustrating to watch…year after year. All I wanted to see this year was a disciplined team who played hard. Fields was actually decent…the run game was decent…but the fumbles killed them.

They have no pass rush…Sauce keeps getting PI calls. I knew we would have growing pains with a first time OC.Defense doesn’t have that excuse.

What a mess.
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They didn’t sack or even get a finger on Tua all game. That’s against an 0-3 team. I thought our DLine was a strength?

Glenn already sounds like Saleh and there are posts of them using the same phrases. I’ve seen this story before.
 
Deepster said:
They didn’t sack or even get a finger on Tua all game. That’s against an 0-3 team. I thought our DLine was a strength?

Glenn already sounds like Saleh and there are posts of them using the same phrases. I’ve seen this story before.
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the Jets entered this year with little depth at WR2, LB and DE. That has been exposed so far with injuries.

They desperately need Jermain Johnson back this week.
 
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I agree with this sentiment. Let’s face it…we knew the Jets were going to struggle this year. But one thing they need to find out is if Fields is the answer. If they play a clean game maybe we can evaluate them better.

 
What do you define as "the answer"? Someone that eventually gets locked into a long term deal and leads them to a few playoff appearances? Contends for the division? I really like some of what I've seen from him, but I don't know if I think he's a good enough passer to throw a bag of money at him. I am rooting for him and he seems like a great guy on and off the field and I'm glad they got him, but I can't see him with a Super Bowl ring on his finger.
 
Deepster said:
What do you define as "the answer"? Someone that eventually gets locked into a long term deal and leads them to a few playoff appearances? Contends for the division? I really like some of what I've seen from him, but I don't know if I think he's a good enough passer to throw a bag of money at him. I am rooting for him and he seems like a great guy on and off the field and I'm glad they got him, but I can't see him with a Super Bowl ring on his finger.
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I guess what I mean is whether they think they need to draft a qb in the first round next year. It would be nice to have qb stability for a few years. I am hoping they get enough data points this year to have the answer to that question. And next year’s qb class is not as good as they thought it would be…I would rather draft a top DL, WR or LB and have Fields look serviceable.

So far…he has had a good game….awful game…DNP…ok game. Not enough to know what they have in a qb.

I agree I can’t see him yet with a Super Bowl ring…but…do I see him as a playoff qb who can compete to get to the Superbowl? Yes…maybe. But…that depends on AG and the coaches putting a good team and scheme around him. I don’t think he can ever carry a team himself, but in the right system he can be effective.

But…right now he doesn’t have enough starts in this scheme to know if he can even be servicable.

Watching Mac Jones last night proved once again that average quarterbacks can be very effective in the right system. Purdy and Jones are not great…and on their own you can’t see them with a Superbowl ring on…but in Shanahan’s system…they just might win a ring.
 
I don't see him as a SB caliber QB. I would draft a QB at any point in any draft from this point forward if they feel he's the long term answer. Fields appears to be a nice guy to keep the seat warm until then.

And Mac Jones beating the Rams on short rest (at an "away game that had 75% SF fans) is different from Mac Jones going into Philly and getting a playoff win.
 
PTJS . . . Post Traumatic Jets Syndrome. I'm thinking of microdosing Sunday for some relief!
 
Deepster said:
I don't see him as a SB caliber QB. I would draft a QB at any point in any draft from this point forward if they feel he's the long term answer. Fields appears to be a nice guy to keep the seat warm until then.

And Mac Jones beating the Rams on short rest (at an "away game that had 75% SF fans) is different from Mac Jones going into Philly and getting a playoff win.
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It’s not easy to find a superbowl caliber QB (obviously). How many are there actually in the league?

AFC; Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert
NFC: Prescott, Daniels, Love, Stafford

Other very talented QBs who need a team around them to be great: Rodgers, Maye, Hurts, Williams, Goff, Mayfield, Murray, Purdy, Darnold. (there are a bunch of rookies that are unknowns at this point)

IMO, there are only 9 QBs who are what I consider to be Superbowl caliber. I think the second group can win a superbowl but need strong team or coaching to get there.

I know Fields will never be in the first group…Can he be in the second group? Probably not, but I hope he gets enough reps to know for sure before we start another rookie qb cycle.
 
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bigAbruns said:
Dipshit owner + dipshit coaching search firm = dipshit coach
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I am not there yet with AG. And…there is no way he is not going to get at least this year to turn it around…so get used to him being here.

If at the end of the year they are still turning the ball over, not getting turnovers and getting a crazy amount of penalties…then his job may be at risk.

Hard to invest much time into this team right now though.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
I am not there yet with AG. And…there is no way he is not going to get at least this year to turn it around…so get used to him being here.

If at the end of the year they are still turning the ball over, not getting turnovers and getting a crazy amount of penalties…then his job may be at risk.

Hard to invest much time into this team right now though.
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Not fully there yet with ag either, but the 33rd team and woody really laid an egg so far, I still have hope, but not much is left
 
They wanted Vrabel…and as always happens…the Patriots altered their plans. Watching the Patriots tonight with Maye…I am envious.
 
Patriots have less talent than the Jets…but they are already better. Of course it helps to have a QB…but they play with confidence and discipline.

Hard to not judge AG on this.
 
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LOL. Look at my predictions for this team preseason. Do I have CTE?

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Does WIlks make it to the bye week? He does have the excuse of injuries…but the defense has no identity. They don’t tackle well…don’t get pressure on the QB…and play without passion.

I was more worried about Engstrand…and I still am…but something has to change on this defense.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
Does WIlks make it to the bye week? He does have the excuse of injuries…but the defense has no identity. They don’t tackle well…don’t get pressure on the QB…and play without passion.

I was more worried about Engstrand…and I still am…but something has to change on this defense.
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So, Wilks probably deserves to be fired, but it's tough to fire a coordinator a month in.

That said, the linebackers are flat out awful. Brandon Stephens is a joke. And Sauce is getting murdered for regressing steadily since his rookie season. They are bottom third in sacks and rush yds per game allowed and that's on the front line. What's working?!
 
Deepster said:
So, Wilks probably deserves to be fired, but it's tough to fire a coordinator a month in.

That said, the linebackers are flat out awful. Brandon Stephens is a joke. And Sauce is getting murdered for regressing steadily since his rookie season. They are bottom third in sacks and rush yds per game allowed and that's on the front line. What's working?!
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They are going to lose this week to Denver…which will put them at 0-6. I think the big game is the Carolina at home the following week…lose that one and there is no way Woody doesn’t demand a change.
 
ShakyTheMohel said:
They are going to lose this week to Denver…which will put them at 0-6. I think the big game is the Carolina at home the following week…lose that one and there is no way Woody doesn’t demand a change.
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Pats fan here and I honestly thought Glenn would at least have them playing solid defense, running the ball and playing decent field position football. I haven't seen enough of the Jets to understand what's caused them to be this bad. -45 point differential.
 
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