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If I had a wish, I’d trade some mix of Vientos, Mauricio, Acuna and Baty for Duran with the Sox. I HAVE to think something like this is coming. We have like 7 second basemen.
 
Why don’t you love Alonso??????? He put fannys in the seats he was great in the locker room and he hit a lot of . And by you I mean Stearns
 
Deepster said:
If I had a wish, I’d trade some mix of Vientos, Mauricio, Acuna and Baty for Duran with the Sox. I HAVE to think something like this is coming. We have like 7 second basemen.
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I'd love this, though I think you're likely looking at adding Tong and Jett Williams along with one of those infielders. Which I would still do honestly, he's so good
 
navery12 said:
Alonso's defense was horrendous last year, like bottom of the league horrendous. Now I would have had no problem bringing him back because the offense makes up for it, but I also think it's clear that Stearns never liked him and was forced to bring him back last year

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Baty was definitely dependable at 3B and would have had no issue with him at 3B this year, only brought up Vientos because he was the 3B last year that the goal was to upgrade on. Think having Bichette at 3B and now Baty in the McNeil role playing 5 times a week between 1B/2B/3B/LF can be really valuable. Not really following what you mean by question marks at the corners though. Bichette and Polanco have long proven histories of being very productive players. Unless you mean just defensively, but even that's a stretch for me. Look at a guy like Jonathan Aranda who went from a 2B with no range to a 75th percentile defender at 1B full time last year.

Agree there's still more moves coming, so hard to compare to a complete team from last year yet. They're still in on Bellinger which I think makes too much sense to fill out the OF with Soto and Benge. And like you said, lots of excess infielders that you can still approach Milwaukee, Minnesota, Detroit with to improve the pitching. Or you stay in the FA market with Valdez.
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Yeah I specifically was talking defense. Not questioning the offense of the corners. To me it’s a question simply because we haven’t seen it. Does it make sense that a middle infielder should make that transition and show improvement on his defensive metrics? Sure, I can totally get behind that. But it’s still just hypothetical until you actually see it play out in the field and see what happens. It’s a brand new position for each, so I think it’s reasonable to call that a question.

Reel in Bellinger and make a trade or Peralta or someone of that ilk and Stearns comes out looking really solid this off season imo.
 
FanInNC said:
Yeah I specifically was talking defense. Not questioning the offense of the corners. To me it’s a question simply because we haven’t seen it. Does it make sense that a middle infielder should make that transition and show improvement on his defensive metrics? Sure, I can totally get behind that. But it’s still just hypothetical until you actually see it play out in the field and see what happens. It’s a brand new position for each, so I think it’s reasonable to call that a question.

Reel in Bellinger and make a trade or Peralta or someone of that ilk and Stearns comes out looking really solid this off season imo.
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It's definitely hypothetical, but I guess my point is that the Mets corner guys were so bad last year that it's literally impossible for it to be worse. Alonso was 39th out of 40 qualified 1B. Vientos was 37th of 39 qualified 3B. Baty was better at 3B at 13th but spent half the year starting at 2B where he was below average too at 26th of 42 qualified players. So there's question marks with the transition of Bichette and Polanco, especially Bichette who was bad at SS defensively, but the bar is very low for improvement
 
navery12 said:
It's definitely hypothetical, but I guess my point is that the Mets corner guys were so bad last year that it's literally impossible for it to be worse. Alonso was 39th out of 40 qualified 1B. Vientos was 37th of 39 qualified 3B. Baty was better at 3B at 13th but spent half the year starting at 2B where he was below average too at 26th of 42 qualified players. So there's question marks with the transition of Bichette and Polanco, especially Bichette who was bad at SS defensively, but the bar is very low for improvement
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Totally fair. I'm cautiously optimistic about the transition as well.

What are you guys envisioning as a potential line up at the moment?

SS Lindor
RF Soto
3B Bichette
1B Polanco
Dan Hurley Vientos
C Alvarez
2B Semien
LF ???
CF ???

I know there's a lot of chatter about Benge making the opening day roster, do yall think it's a lock that either Benge or Taylor is starting opening day? Surely not both. Also, I recall Baty being talked about a few years ago as potentially playing OF. On the MLB level he's only played 1 game there I think - does he have experience in the minors in LF?
 
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FanInNC said:
Totally fair. I'm cautiously optimistic about the transition as well.

What are you guys envisioning as a potential line up at the moment?

SS Lindor
RF Soto
3B Bichette
1B Polanco
Dan Hurley Vientos
C Alvarez
2B Semien
LF ???
CF ???

I know there's a lot of chatter about Benge making the opening day roster, do yall think it's a lock that either Benge or Taylor is starting opening day? Surely not both. Also, I recall Baty being talked about a few years ago as potentially playing OF. On the MLB level he's only played 1 game there I think - does he have experience in the minors in LF?
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Baty played 29 games in LF in the minors, so not much. Pretty much agree with that lineup as of today, so feel like there's at least 1 move coming to add a bat. My guess is Baty in LF and Taylor in CF as of today, and Benge is up by May to take over. That lineup looks a lot better if it's Duran or Bellinger slotted in at CF
 
The dynamic certainly shifts if we get a bounce back from Vientos. If he is hitting like he did 2 years ago and Alvarez hits like he did the 2nd half of last year, suddenly it's a fairly long line up. Our main issue down the stretch last year was starters unable to get into the 6th inning...but an issue all season long was the lack of production from Vientos namely, but also Alvarez for about half the year and Baty for stretches as well as Mauricio and Acuna never getting anything going. The "baby Mets" let us down in large part last year. Hopefully we see some sort of uptick this year from a couple of those guys.
 
I'm no expert by any means, but I am not sure how much higher Alvy's ceiling can be. He's a free swinger with a long swing and lots of misses. He gets into hot streaks and has pop in his bat, but I think he "is what he is" for the most part with some obvious seasoning and maturing to come.

Vientos? My worry there is that they found the holes in his plate coverage. He was great in the 2nd half of 2024 but he was new and now that they have tape and could build an approach, he was pretty mediocre all year in 2025. It's up to him to now adjust and I worry about that.
 
I expect we'll see a much different Alvarez this season now that Eric Chavez is gone. I don't think it's a coincidence that Alvarez sucked in the majors (and I think injuries played a factor here as well) and then went to the minors and absolutely raked, then sucked back with Eric Chavez. Eric Chavez clearly hated Alvarez and I think he knew that and was in his head. He came off a great rookie year and Chavez basically told him you sucked and need to fix your entire approach
 
it would be ideal if Alvarez wasn’t as much of a free swinger and swing and miss guy, but I also don’t even care about that aspect as much as the power.

He came up and mashed for power his rookie year and then went basically a season and half with very little pop at all in his bat. Then the second half last year he showed that power a little more again. Thats what I personally want from him. Be a 25 homer guy even if you strike out a lot.
 
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Robert is super talented and very good defensively. I was hoping my Yanks would make a move on him and let Grisham walk.
 
Seems like a good low risk gamble. If Robert can get closer to his ceiling you have an all star patrolling CF with plus defense, speed and above average power.

If he doesn’t find himself at the plate - you still get speed and a very good glove and it cost you a guy who is basically a pinch runner and late inning defensive replacement.
 
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Really just looks like they need one more bench piece and maybe a RP. Though they may just use that last bullpen spot to cycle guys up and down from AAA. And Mauricio may take that last bench spot

C - Francisco Alvarez
1B - Jorge Polanc
2B - Marcus Semien
3B - Bo Bichette
SS - Francisco Lindor
LF - Carson Benge
CF - Luis Robert Jr
RF - Juan Soto
Dan Hurley - Brett Baty

BN - Luis Torrens
BN - Mark Vientos
BN -
BN - Tyrone Taylor

SP - Freddy Peralta
SP - Nolan McLean
SP - Clay Holmes
SP - Sean Manaea
SP - David Peterson
SP - Kodai Senga

RP - Devin Williams
RP - Luke Weaver
RP - Brooks Raley
RP - AJ Minter
RP - Luis Garcia
RP - Tobias Myers
RP -

And you still have Mauricio, Jonah Tong, Christian Scott all in the minors who could potentially have roles as well
 
I am really blown away by the moves in the past week, love Robert + Peralta - and just as much Tobias Myers.

The pitching still concerns me, Manaea was hurt all year, I don't trust Senga as far as I can throw him, and Peterson is inconsistent..

I like that they addressed the bats, but I felt the same way at the trade deadline last season - NEED POWER ARMS.

They spent all those great deals on building this monster bullpen - and then they couldn't have a starter get out of the 4th.
 
M.S.G. said:
I am really blown away by the moves in the past week, love Robert + Peralta - and just as much Tobias Myers.

The pitching still concerns me, Manaea was hurt all year, I don't trust Senga as far as I can throw him, and Peterson is inconsistent..

I like that they addressed the bats, but I felt the same way at the trade deadline last season - NEED POWER ARMS.

They spent all those great deals on building this monster bullpen - and then they couldn't have a starter get out of the 4th.
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too many 4 inning starters really deflated the bullpen even by midyear
 
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I would have Tong in place of Senga immediately. Senga would be long relief or spot start unless injuries dictate otherwise.
 
Has Tong had Tommy John surgery yet? That would be my concern with him with his slight build. Then again we never benefitted from having deGrom, Harvey Matz Syndegaard and Wheeler all pitching at the same time so why not put him and McClean in the rotation. We gave up Sproat but I don't want to give up either Tong or McClean
 
Deepster said:
I would have Tong in place of Senga immediately. Senga would be long relief or spot start unless injuries dictate otherwise.
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I personally don’t view Senga as a reliever. Seems like everything has to be just so with him, he doesn’t seem like one who would adjust well not knowing which days he’d pitch or what the situation may be when he comes into the game.
 
navery12 said:
Really just looks like they need one more bench piece and maybe a RP. Though they may just use that last bullpen spot to cycle guys up and down from AAA. And Mauricio may take that last bench spot

C - Francisco Alvarez
1B - Jorge Polanc
2B - Marcus Semien
3B - Bo Bichette
SS - Francisco Lindor
LF - Carson Benge
CF - Luis Robert Jr
RF - Juan Soto
Dan Hurley - Brett Baty

BN - Luis Torrens
BN - Mark Vientos
BN -
BN - Tyrone Taylor

SP - Freddy Peralta
SP - Nolan McLean
SP - Clay Holmes
SP - Sean Manaea
SP - David Peterson
SP - Kodai Senga

RP - Devin Williams
RP - Luke Weaver
RP - Brooks Raley
RP - AJ Minter
RP - Luis Garcia
RP - Tobias Myers
RP -

And you still have Mauricio, Jonah Tong, Christian Scott all in the minors who could potentially have roles as well
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The concern Id have with this line up is Benge. We are assuming a lot just placing him in the starting line up like that. Stearns has been steadfast with the notion “he’ll have a chance to make the roster”. But making the roster and being the daily starter are also 2 different levels. I wouldn’t mind adding a Harrison Bader type to be a safety net if Benge isn’t quite ready yet. I guess Taylor represents that as well, just with a considerably lower upside at the plate.
 
M.S.G. said:
I am really blown away by the moves in the past week, love Robert + Peralta - and just as much Tobias Myers.

The pitching still concerns me, Manaea was hurt all year, I don't trust Senga as far as I can throw him, and Peterson is inconsistent..

I like that they addressed the bats, but I felt the same way at the trade deadline last season - NEED POWER ARMS.

They spent all those great deals on building this monster bullpen - and then they couldn't have a starter get out of the 4th.
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Just to play devils advocate … you could argue a lot of guys are due for a bounce back to their mean. Manaea was hurt most of last year and when he pitched he was below his career numbers. He doesn’t have to return to 2024 manaea, but can he just pitch to the back of his baseball card and be a reliable 4th arm? I think Peterson has proven to be a solid starter who can give some length. He’s not an ace, but he’s certainly a major league starter. Could he your #3 but certainly a solid 4th or 5th guy.

Freddy now gives us a bonafide #1 and takes the pressure off of McLean to be that. I think we all feel good about McLean, although he could be due for some regression compared to what we saw last year. Hopefully not, but if he does have more of an up and down year Freddy should help alleviate that.

Holmes seems like a solid #3. He was very good last year.

Senga is the wild card. He can be an absolute 0 or could lead the team in strike outs and ERA.

Tong and Scott represent upside or a fall back if Senga or someone doesn’t work out or gets injured.
 
FanInNC said:
The concern Id have with this line up is Benge. We are assuming a lot just placing him in the starting line up like that. Stearns has been steadfast with the notion “he’ll have a chance to make the roster”. But making the roster and being the daily starter are also 2 different levels. I wouldn’t mind adding a Harrison Bader type to be a safety net if Benge isn’t quite ready yet. I guess Taylor represents that as well, just with a considerably lower upside at the plate.
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That's fair, but I just view it as a pretty low risk move. He'd be hitting in the bottom of the order so not much pressure on him. And if it doesn't work you play Baty in LF and Vientos at D.H. I'm not against bringing in Bader or Austin Hays though
 
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