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8893 said:
I hate to say it, but I think Calloway needs to be fired.
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He was lauded as a pitching guru. Francona gave him tons of praise for the Indians staff success. He has really failed miserably with the Mets staff his entire reign. I don't know that he deserves any credit for deGrom's year last year, but other than that, the starters and pen have been a tire fire.
 
Deepster said:
He was lauded as a pitching guru. Francona gave him tons of praise for the Indians staff success. He has really failed miserably with the Mets staff his entire reign. I don't know that he deserves any credit for deGrom's year last year, but other than that, the starters and pen have been a tire fire.
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Well at least he apologized for last night, but this is getting ridiculous.
 
8893 said:
Well at least he apologized for last night, but this is getting ridiculous.
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The splits for Gselman are clear as day that he’s worse with overwork. Just keep trotting him out there. Jesus.
 
8893 said:
I mean, I'm trying to stay interested. Trying to watch the games and have some hope.

And they just keep ripping my heart out and stomping on it.

Brutal.
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After last night, I was curious to remember at what point I gave up hope last season. The post above was June 12th.

At this point the only thing keeping me interested is the fact that the NL East is so weak that we are still "only" 5.5 games out of first. But we can't keep giving up series to teams we should be sweeping.

Am I correct that we haven't played Atlanta once yet? How the hell did that happen?

I'm a bit worried about how much the players appear to back Callaway; things could get worse if they fire him and bring in someone like Wally Backman who will try to ride them instead of kissing their assses.

Perhaps they can turn it around and it will be a nice story because the team had Callaway's back, but I agree with you @Deepster that the most mystifying thing about Callaway is that we was supposed to have pitching prowess in particular, whereas it seems to be the thing he is worst at here.
 
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8893 said:
After last night, I was curious to remember at what point I gave up hope last season. The post above was June 12th.

At this point the only thing keeping me interested is the fact that the NL East is so weak that we are still "only" 5.5 games out of first. But we can't keep giving up series to teams we should be sweeping.

Am I correct that we haven't played Atlanta once yet? How the hell did that happen?

I'm a bit worried about how much the players appear to back Calloway; things could get worse if they fire him and bring in someone like Wally Backman who will try to ride them instead of kissing their assses.

Perhaps they can turn it around and it will be a nice story because the team had Calloway's back, but I agree with you @Deepster that the most mystifying thing about Calloway is that we was supposed to have pitching prowess in particular, whereas it seems to be the thing he is worst at here.
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They played at Atlanta early in the year, 4 game series and believe they split after winning the first 2.

I think Callaway is running on fumes at this point and it's a matter of time until he's gone. But it'll be Jim Riggleman as interim manager and nothing will change
 
navery12 said:
They played at Atlanta early in the year, 4 game series and believe they split after winning the first 2.
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Thanks. I spaced that.
 
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Yet again I am done with this team by mid-June. Such a waste of some great young talent. Callaway has mismanaged the bullpen to a fare thee well and needs to be fired. Familia should never pitch here again.
 
Whelp, the upcoming series at Atlanta should be the nail in the coffin on this season. Hopefully on Callaway, too.

Start selling the older guys; this season is toast.
 
8893 said:
I hate to say it, but I think Callaway needs to be fired.
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the guy who brought in cano should be drawn and quartered...
 
whaler11 said:
the guy who brought in cano should be drawn and quartered...
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Not a great move, and now that Diaz looks like Familia and Familia looks like Benitez, the whole transaction looks like a tire fire. But Cano is not near the top of our problems. We have plenty of great young talent to play the field. Somehow the guy who was deemed an ace pitching staff manager has turned the best staff in baseball into one of the worst. He needs to go. Now.
 
8893 said:
Not a great move, and now that Diaz looks like Familia and Familia looks like Benitez, the whole transaction looks like a tire fire. But Cano is not near the top of our problems. We have plenty of great young talent to play the field. Somehow the guy who was deemed an ace pitching staff manager has turned the best staff in baseball into one of the worst. He needs to go. Now.
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2nd base is the position at where players fade fastest. throw in a ped suspension, moving from al to nl, a known dog and all players hitting a power fade in queens and that’s the worst contract in the game. they still owe him a $100 million.

it’s worse than the archer trade. which is impossibly bad.
 
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whaler11 said:
2nd base is the position at where players fade fastest. throw in a ped suspension, moving from al to nl, a known dog and all players hitting a power fade in queens and that’s the worst contract in the game. they still owe him a $100 million.

it’s worse than the archer trade. which is impossibly bad.
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You are talking about a franchise that is still paying Bobby Bonilla.
 
8893 said:
You are talking about a franchise that is still paying Bobby Bonilla.
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bobby bo was in our slow pitch softball flight in stamford some years back. he hit a ball on top of the bathrooms which from first base i judged to be 650 feet away.

i much preferred willie upshaw living in our neighborhood when he was managing the bluefish. he somehow had two distinct streams in his front yard.
 
whaler11 said:
it’s worse than the archer trade. which is impossibly bad.
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It's always good to hear a non-Pittsburgh perspective on this.

You have no idea what it feels like to see Cole, Morton and Glasnow among top AL pitchers (whatever happened to the old "NL pitchers get worse in AL" meme, anyway?)

Can't wait for Shane Baz to win the CY in 2026, just to rub it in some more.

Only good that came out of this is that Meadows leaving opened up LF for Bryan Reynolds. At least the Cutch to SF deal worked out.
 
whaler11 said:
2nd base is the position at where players fade fastest. throw in a ped suspension, moving from al to nl, a known dog and all players hitting a power fade in queens and that’s the worst contract in the game. they still owe him a $100 million.

it’s worse than the archer trade. which is impossibly bad.
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Mets are only on the hook for $60. Still a bad trade but not as bad as it would be if we were paying him $20 mil a year.
 
So as cover for the failings of pitching guru Callaway and agent-turned-gm Van Wagenen, the Mets have fired pitching coach Dave Eiland and bullpen coach Chuck Hernandez.

I get that our pitching staff and bullpen have been atrocious, but to my eyes it's been Callaway who misused them and Van Wagenen who failed to get enough quality pieces--especially for the pen. Familia never should have been brought back.
 
I actually don't think Brodie has been all that bad. The Familia deal looks awful now but he was always a really solid pitcher before this so hard to fault him on that. I blame the Wilpons more than anyone for not letting Brodie go all in on competing and instead leaving this half-assed attempt out there
 
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navery12 said:
I actually don't think Brodie has been all that bad. The Familia deal looks awful now but he was always a really solid pitcher before this so hard to fault him on that. I blame the Wilpons more than anyone for not letting Brodie go all in on competing and instead leaving this half-assed attempt out there
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I think Brodie had a lot more to work with than most Mets GMs in the past. The Cano deal was tolerable primarily because of Diaz and because the net hit to the Mets wasn't that bad, but I don't know what the hell happened to Diaz.

Aside from Lugo, the rest of the pen has been atrocious. I am obviously happy that they reached a nice deal with deGrom and I think that will pan out. Wheeler has been steady as she goes and I am guessing he will be one of the first pieces dealt when we start our fire sale, likely after this road trip ends and we are 10+ games out, but I would rather keep him. As I have said for a while now, I wouldn't miss Syndergaard because I don't have faith in him long term, but we won't get max value for him if injury concerns remain. I don't have a strong feeling about Matz one way or another.

Alonso, McNeil and deGrom are probably the only guys I would consider untouchable. I would entertain offers for anyone else.
 
8893 said:
I think Brodie had a lot more to work with than most Mets GMs in the past. The Cano deal was tolerable primarily because of Diaz and because the net hit to the Mets wasn't that bad, but I don't know what the hell happened to Diaz.

Aside from Lugo, the rest of the pen has been atrocious. I am obviously happy that they reached a nice deal with deGrom and I think that will pan out. Wheeler has been steady as she goes and I am guessing he will be one of the first pieces dealt when we start our fire sale, likely after this road trip ends and we are 10+ games out, but I would rather keep him. As I have said for a while now, I wouldn't miss Syndergaard because I don't have faith in him long term, but we won't get max value for him if injury concerns remain. I don't have a strong feeling about Matz one way or another.

Alonso, McNeil and deGrom are probably the only guys I would consider untouchable. I would entertain offers for anyone else.
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I think I'm very much in the minority here but I would be moving deGrom asap. I think they should have done it last year
 
8893 said:
You mean before or after he won the Cy Young?
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Like I said, I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion. But this team isn't winning anything while he's in his prime, he's the perfect piece to move to start the rebuild
 
Yet another game blown by the bullpen. Of course it comes with a side of Mickey putting someone back out there for another inning when he didn't look sharp and letting him throw over 40 pitches. I'm also glad they said they would use Diaz for more than an inning but just don't do it. To bring back an old acronym from a Mets board, MIC (Mickey is clueless). On a similar note, i'm done hiring guys who haven't managed before and spent most of their time in the AL (looking at you Wiliie and Mickey).
 
navery12 said:
Like I said, I'm sure it's an unpopular opinion. But this team isn't winning anything while he's in his prime, he's the perfect piece to move to start the rebuild
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Disagree. I keep the known over the bucket of prospects here. He's locked up through his prime regardless of what the rest of the team looks like and I'll start him every 5th day over hoping some kid in AA pans out in 2023.
 
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Does Callaway survive this week? I say no. I think he is fired by Friday.
 
8893 said:
Does Callaway survive this week? I say no. I think he is fired by Friday.
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Hard to imagine. The only way he survives is reeling off one of those huge 12-2 stretches that get them back in the hunt and the team shows guts. Otherwise, the next bad loss with a horrible decision that happens and he's fired.
 
Deepster said:
Hard to imagine. The only way he survives is reeling off one of those huge 12-2 stretches that get them back in the hunt and the team shows guts. Otherwise, the next bad loss with a horrible decision that happens and he's fired.
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With the Phillies also reeling I think this series is make-or-break for both Callaway and Kapler. They could both be gone by the end of the week. Tough to be catching Philly on the heels of a seven-game skid, but one of these teams needs to step up in this series. Which means that they will probably split...
 
Deepster said:
Hard to imagine. The only way he survives is reeling off one of those huge 12-2 stretches that get them back in the hunt and the team shows guts. Otherwise, the next bad loss with a horrible decision that happens and he's fired.
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I've said that with the last 10 horrible decisions. He must have dirt on someone in the front office
 
navery12 said:
I've said that with the last 10 horrible decisions. He must have dirt on someone in the front office
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Yeah, the front office was making the decisions!
 
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