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The defensive scheme is garbage.

Exit 4 said:
Kris1, I'm not looking to hijack the thread, but do you think Travis Jones may end up a DT for us next year rather than on the Oline? I see him as the kind of kid we need to anchor the 3 man d line next year.
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That’s a decision the staff will have to make. I haven’t seen enough of him defensively to say. I think on the HS level, he’s dominating kids he’s got 80-100 lbs on. But as @JMick said, his HC thinks he’s a DT at the next level, and he’s produced some good ones.
 
3 down lineman with the LB's 3 to 4 yards off the ball when we are defending 3rd and short. We did this more than once today. It is like living in a high crime area and leaving your front door unlocked. We can't coach up a different scheme for situational football? This we are what we are, a 3-3-5 team is bullsh.
 
kris1 said:
Exactly....
As others have said, we rushed four for a majority of the game. We still didn’t get pressure. So, based on personnel how can this team (which is already thin on the DL) go to a 4-man front? Because, I don’t see many 6’3-6’5, 300+ DTs on the roster. To run a 4-man front you have to have at least an 8-man rotation and at least 6 DTs that could rotate. Where are those DTs coming from? Because, only 7 guys played(*) and 3 would be considered “true” DTs (without Okounam). We don’t have the personnel or the depth at that position to run a 4-front.
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96 James Atkins 6-5/266 Defensive Line RS JR (INJURED)
95 Noel Brouse 6-5/265 Defensive Line RS FR (DNP)
*15 Luke Carrezola 6-3/255 Defensive Line SR
*93 Folorunso Fatukasi 6-4/303 Defensive Line RS SR
*88 Connor Freeborn 6-5/255 Defensive Line RS SO
46 AJ Garson 6-7/237 Defensive Line RS FR (DNP)
*50 Sheriden Lawley 6-4/290 Defensive Line RS JR
59 Andrew Migliaccio 6-3/266 Defensive Line RS FR (DNP)
*94 Kevin Murphy 6-1/280 Defensive Line RS SO
58 Philippe Okounam 6-5/290 Defensive Line RS SO (INJURED)
*57 Cole Ormsby 6-3/264 Defensive Line RS SR
92 Carlton Steer 6-2/255 Defensive Line JR (DNP)
*52 Caleb Thomas 6-0/289 Defensive Line FR
 
jdb50 said:
3 down lineman with the LB's 3 to 4 yards off the ball when we are defending 3rd and short. We did this more than once today. It is like living in a high crime area and leaving your front door unlocked. We can't coach up a different scheme for situational football? This we are what we are, a 3-3-5 team is bullsh.
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If you have the right guys to run three down lineman then you want your LB's off the ball. otherwise they can't see anything. we just don't have enough beef at the DE positions
 
JMick said:
you went after my age first. you have jesus in the huddle as your avatar. you attacked my avatar. keep playing the victim, but know you brought all of this upon yourself first.
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I'd suggest you take a look at the sequence of conversation and make an earnest effort to divine where the problem started. I think we will find "idiot". In effect, you're calling half the Board stupid when it's clear you lack any understanding of how college defenses are prepped. So, I revert to a basic concept. College defenses have many sets based on personnel and situation. They don't stay in a base D. When your getting your butt kicked in a particular look, you get the heck out if it. When your gimmick D is not working after 2 and half games, you adjust and, yes, you do practice in different fronts and alignments that allow you to switch. That's the way it works. It's not high school where you have a dumbed down base D with a limited number of varients off your base look. There is nothing wrong with a nickel look. There is nothing wrong with Crocker's version of it per se. There is everything wrong with a 3-3 that has 5 DBs getting shredded and zero pressure on the QB. Add to that getting gashed up the gut. If you say the players are too slow or not athletic, I don't see it. I see ill prepared, tentative players not making basic plays that simply don't require extreme athleticism. Wrapping up and swarming on tackles is not about athleticism. Getting up on receivers is not athleticism. Not turning to look for the ball is not about athleticism. Coming up hard to make tackles is not athleticism. If Joseph isn't making super human plays, we are screwed. If freshman are not making one on one open field tackles (due to scheme) we are screwed. The reason the wideout pass is open all day is because of scheme. There is no inside out help when there is no DE or Strong Side LB and the slot is dragging the other DB away from the play in man cover. I'm sorry but opposing OCs are shredding this scheme by isolating and forcing one on one with a QB having all day to throw.
Saab04 said:
He’s also playing Freshman’s and inexperienced players on D. He’s proven the 3-3-5 works. Give it time sheez.
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At Nova, yes. I have no inherent problem with the scheme. I have an issue with forcing schemes on players that don't fit resulting in the worst D in FBS.
 
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BlueDogs said:
I'd suggest you take a look at the sequence of conversation and make an earnest effort to divine where the problem started. I think we will find "idiot". In effect, you're calling half the Board stupid when it's clear you lack any understanding of how college defenses are prepped. So, I revert to a basic concept. College defenses have many sets based on personnel and situation. They don't stay in a base D. When your getting your butt kicked in a particular look, you get the heck out if it. When your gimmick D is not working after 2 and half games, you adjust and, yes, you do practice in different fronts and alignments that allow you to switch. That's the way it works. It's not high school where you have a dumbed down base D with a limited number of varients off your base look. There is nothing wrong with a nickel look. There is nothing wrong with Crocker's version of it per se. There is everything wrong with a 3-3 that has 5 DBs getting shredded and zero pressure on the QB. Add to that getting gashed up the gut. If you say the players are too slow or not athletic, I don't see it. I see ill prepared, tentative players not making basic plays that simply don't require extreme athleticism. Wrapping up and swarming on tackles is not about athleticism. Getting up on receivers is not athleticism. Not turning to look for the ball is not about athleticism. Coming up hard to make tackles is not athleticism. If Joseph isn't making super human plays, we are screwed. If freshman are not making one on one open field tackles (due to scheme) we are screwed. The reason the wideout pass is open all day is because of scheme. There is no inside out help when there is no DE or Strong Side LB and the slot is dragging the other DB away from the play in man cover. I'm sorry but opposing OCs are shredding this scheme by isolating and forcing one on one with a QB having all day to throw.

At Nova, yes. I have no inherent problem with the scheme. I have an issue with forcing schemes on players that don't fit resulting in the worst D in FBS.
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We have no beef up front to switch schemes. We lack talent, depth and experience on D. Don’t you see how many Frosh and inexperienced players has taken over the depth chart on defense? I completely understand your frustration and I’m sure many others are equally as frustrated, however, there’s nothing Croc can really do but keep at it with what he knows best, and that’s the 3-3-5. It’ll work, the secondary will gain experience as the season goes on. I see the growth. Be patient.
 
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From the recent Fuller blog post in the Game Week Thread:

>>With redshirt freshman Tahj Herring-Wilson taking over for struggling senior Tre Bell, UConn was playing three freshmen (Herring-Wilson, Tyler Coyle and Ian Swenson) and a sophomore (Marshe Terry) who played sparingly on defense a season ago to finish the game so I guess it is understandable that the Huskies are struggling with their assignments in the secondary.

With safety Anthony Watkins out with a concussion, the first and second team secondary consisted of six freshmen, two sophomores and two seniors. <<
 
JMick said:
we figured we had two lock down corners in summers and bell. unfortunately that was not the case.
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Yeah, I didn’t think so. Summer was torched all last year and at times so far this year. He had only one great season and has been off ever since. Tre Bell I was excited about, but then again the kid lacks experience. Hopefully they str8ten things out. Especially Summers, He has no excuse as a vet.
 
JMick said:
we figured we had two lock down corners in summers and bell. unfortunately that was not the case.
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Really unfortunate. Was hoping their experience would be key to better thing, but it appears to be the opposite. I’d almost be willing to reshuffle the deck and put people there that can help, even if we have 2-way players.
 
huskymedic said:
For the record after today:

#65 out of 130 for Rushing D
#130 out of 130 for Passing D
#127 out of 130 for Total D
#104 out of 130 for Scoring D
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I apologize for hyperbole - we are only 127th worst out of 130, and the worst on pass D. But, I think the stats are fairly conclusive. I refuse to put 100% on the players. They are just not that bad, just like last year's O players were not that bad. Coaching matters. I'll let others carry the ball forward on this.
 
huskymedic said:
From the recent Fuller blog post in the Game Week Thread:

>>With redshirt freshman Tahj Herring-Wilson taking over for struggling senior Tre Bell, UConn was playing three freshmen (Herring-Wilson, Tyler Coyle and Ian Swenson) and a sophomore (Marshe Terry) who played sparingly on defense a season ago to finish the game so I guess it is understandable that the Huskies are struggling with their assignments in the secondary.

With safety Anthony Watkins out with a concussion, the first and second team secondary consisted of six freshmen, two sophomores and two seniors. <<
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I'm fine with any player of any class and any level of experience playing over Bell. His play has been straight garbage. Hope he never sees the field again. Probably a nice kid and a good student. I don't wish him any harm or ill will.
 
What I'm having a tough time understanding is how our defense has gone from relatively somewhat competent under the Fiasco regime a year ago to the hot, flaming dumpster fire it is now. Those who argue it's the players and not the change to the 3-3-5 scheme seem to be forgetting that the players are largely the same ones. Yes, a few are gone and some are injured, but it's mostly the same guys. Either they all got collectively worse over the spring and summer, or maybe the new scheme has a tad bit to do with our precipitous fall off a cliff in defensive competency.

Exhibit "A" - last year's Navy game. We defended the triple option well enough to win the game. That is one of the hardest things for most teams to do since almost nobody runs it anymore. We likely win that game but for Diwhacko's sheer incomptence in clock and game management. Our defensive woes last season mostly occurred later in the year after the team had completely quit on the coaching staff. How we have gone from effectively beating Navy on the road to having close to the worst defense in the FBS is very puzzling. Is the variable our switch to a different defensive scheme? I'm not suggesting that's the only reason, but it's looking to me like it plays a part.
 
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UConnNick said:
What I'm having a tough time understanding is how our defense has gone from relatively somewhat competent under the Fiasco regime a year ago to the hot, flaming dumpster fire it is now. Those who argue it's the players and not the change to the 3-3-5 scheme seem to be forgetting that the players are largely the same ones. Yes, a few are gone and some are injured, but it's mostly the same guys. Either they all got collectively worse over the spring and summer, or maybe the new scheme has a tad bit to do with our precipitous fall off a cliff in defensive competency.

Exhibit "A" - last year's Navy game. We defended the triple option well enough to win the game. That is one of the hardest things for most teams to do since almost nobody runs it anymore. We likely win that game but for Diwhacko's sheer incomptence in clock and game management. Our defensive woes last season mostly occurred later in the year after the team had completely quit on the coaching staff. How we have gone from effectively beating Navy on the road to having close to the worst defense in the FBS is very puzzling. Is the variable our switch to a different defensive scheme? I'm not suggesting that's the only reason, but it's looking to me like it plays a part.
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This team is unable to defend the pass. Last years team also had issues defending the pass and it had two players (Obi, Green) land on NFL teams and Williams who was serviceable. Navy doesn't throw the ball and even when Navy did they were successful (6-8, 16.5 yds/play). You remove 3 guys from the secondary, and Fiasco has nobody to replace them and you end up with what you have here, a lot of straight freshmen learning on the job.

Also, our front seven have little depth. The Dline depth is concerning to me.
 
UConnNick said:
What I'm having a tough time understanding is how our defense has gone from relatively somewhat competent under the Fiasco regime a year ago to the hot, flaming dumpster fire it is now. Those who argue it's the players and not the change to the 3-3-5 scheme seem to be forgetting that the players are largely the same ones. Yes, a few are gone and some are injured, but it's mostly the same guys. Either they all got collectively worse over the spring and summer, or maybe the new scheme has a tad bit to do with our precipitous fall off a cliff in defensive competency.

Exhibit "A" - last year's Navy game. We defended the triple option well enough to win the game. That is one of the hardest things for most teams to do since almost nobody runs it anymore. We likely win that game but for Diwhacko's sheer incomptence in clock and game management. Our defensive woes last season mostly occurred later in the year after the team had completely quit on the coaching staff. How we have gone from effectively beating Navy on the road to having close to the worst defense in the FBS is very puzzling. Is the variable our switch to a different defensive scheme? I'm not suggesting that's the only reason, but it's looking to me like it plays a part.
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huskymedic said:
From the recent Fuller blog post in the Game Week Thread:

>>With redshirt freshman Tahj Herring-Wilson taking over for struggling senior Tre Bell, UConn was playing three freshmen (Herring-Wilson, Tyler Coyle and Ian Swenson) and a sophomore (Marshe Terry) who played sparingly on defense a season ago to finish the game so I guess it is understandable that the Huskies are struggling with their assignments in the secondary.

With safety Anthony Watkins out with a concussion, the first and second team secondary consisted of six freshmen, two sophomores and two seniors. <<
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It’s not mostly the same guys. We are extremely thin and extremely young and would have a hard time running most any scheme right now. The 3-3-5 isn’t the only variable here.
 
Stairmaster said:
RichRod says hello. And that fourth down lineman will do nothing to change the lack of speed, awareness, or tackling ability.
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You mean the guy who got fired at Michigan because his Defense stopped less than a screen door in a wind storm?
 
JMick said:
Why you continue to call him a "crock" a "clown" and an "abortion" is beyond me. The scheme is the scheme. I don't blame them for not wanting to change the scheme in year one because we don't have the personnel yet. We're in a rebuild that will probably take half a decade. It's not my fault or theirs that you're impatient and feel entitled.
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UCF turned it around in like 5 minutes. 5 years?
 
Palatine is right about the scheme. The players may not be stellar either in pursuit or tackling but that does not fully account for the abysmal performance of the unit. We never use press man to man coverage. How much worse could that be? Our soft zone leaves big gaps in which QB's and receivers gleefully set record stats as they march unimpeded down the field. In the meantime, our front three can't penetrate the opponents O-line to pressure the QB so he's comfortable standing there patiently searching out the open man.
Since so many passes are being completed within the zone--even when our DB's are fully engaged and alert---why not use the safeties more in blitz packages to disrupt the QB. Pressure on the QB may be the only leverage we have. The LB's will still be in place to stop the run. We certainly couldn't do any worse.
My take is that barring restraint imposed by this charged political budget environment Crocker should be fired--and soon. As we improve on offense we can't continue with an unwise and unworkable defensive system.
 
To be successful I think this scheme requires good athletes who know the system well. Bell couldn't cover a rock with a 5 gallon bucket of paint. And 27, not sure who he was, but he was completely out of position all day. He was forever chasing his man. Summers continues to disappoint playing scary soft coverage.
 
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BlueDogs said:
I apologize for hyperbole - we are only 127th worst out of 130, and the worst on pass D. But, I think the stats are fairly conclusive. I refuse to put 100% on the players. They are just not that bad, just like last year's O players were not that bad. Coaching matters. I'll let others carry the ball forward on this.
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Looks like ECU ran approximately 86 plays from scrimmage, not including punts. Anyone know the norm from last year?
 
Our 3 seniors up front trying to get pressure against 5 blockers is not going to cut it. Our D ends are trying to fight through two blockers and start out without outside leverage. Add that to a number of times ECU got 5-7 yards on quick throws as our cushions were huge and it just snowballs. We are always racing to catch up at this point. You do have to give the team credit for getting some stops late. They kept playing hard. Hope they can regroup for a tough road game.
 
BlueDogs said:
I apologize for hyperbole - we are only 127th worst out of 130, and the worst on pass D. But, I think the stats are fairly conclusive. I refuse to put 100% on the players. They are just not that bad, just like last year's O players were not that bad. Coaching matters. I'll let others carry the ball forward on this.
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Inexperience matters. A lot of these kids on D has never played a snap in college football. Four to six players on D yesterday were Freshman’s. What are you not getting about that? The vets, which is a few, are learning a new system as well. I think you need to be patient bro. Rome wasn’t built in a day. You sound ridiculous right now.
 
jdb50 said:
Our 3 seniors up front trying to get pressure against 5 blockers is not going to cut it. Our D ends are trying to fight through two blockers and start out without outside leverage. Add that to a number of times ECU got 5-7 yards on quick throws as our cushions were huge and it just snowballs. We are always racing to catch up at this point. You do have to give the team credit for getting some stops late. They kept playing hard. Hope they can regroup for a tough road game.
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We sent four or more people after the QB on more than 75% of their pass plays.

The biggest benefit to playing a 4th down lineman would be run stopping, which is far from the biggest problem with this defense. They still do an ok job containing the run.
 
Run stopping isn't an issue. Would have been nice to have somebody step up on a few of those option plays but mostly the run stopping was not that bad. I have to say that I expected our defense to be much more aggressive than it has been. I thought we would see much more blitzing from less predictable places and using safeties and corners not just linebackers. And more aggressive pass coverage with pressing at the line rather than the soft stuff we've been seeing. Heck I wouldn't mind a few pass interference calls just to know we are getting on receivers.
 
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