Texas & OK ask to join SEC?

[TRest]

People; why did the B1G add Rutgers?? Maryland?? Wth?? Rutgers sucks at everything!

Same people; the B1G needs to diversify. Too many Midwestern farms.

There are only so many options. Aside from OU/TX (and Notre Dame), the next two schools the B1G would like would be UVA & UNC, but that’s not happening. UMass? Seriously?

This is why, IMO, Kansas is an easy #15. Contiguous, AAU status and basketball blueblood = academics & national brand. Those are very rare. Football sucks but oh well. Who else is there?? #16+ is the big question (((imo))).

UConn makes sense as well in many ways. Contiguous, elite basketball brand, more eastern expansion. AAU might be the problem.

AAU is meaningless when you see some of the members. And UConn has an ag school/is land grant, FWIW.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Aren’t we still pursuing AAU? I remember reading somewhere that we were a few years away, but very close to inclusion. Does anyone have any idea where this stands today?

Had not heard that. Would be awesome if true. The only thing is the people that get to decide if you can be a member are for the most part the same ones that get decide if you're P5 or not. A true good ol' boys club that they like to protect.

 

[Adios]

UMass has no hope of getting into the Big Ten right now. Before, drop football, and now, add UMass??? Stop embarrassing us.

 

[bendm]

This is why, IMO, Kansas is an easy #15. Contiguous, AAU status and basketball blueblood = academics & national brand. Those are very rare. Football sucks but oh well.

that last bit is kinda the most important part of the calculus though. really really hope KU has to join the AAC or conversely the big12 remnants backfill with some AAC midmajors, maybe BYU. dont want any of them finding P4 life rafts. reality check for these schools. KU is the UConn of the plains.

 

[Orc]

West Virginia is on the wrong side of all demographic arguments.

West Virginia population decline is largest in U.S.

West Virginia has seen a higher percentage of residents depart than any other state in the last decade.

www.latimes.com

Can’t fault them for hooring themselves out to the Acc. At least they’re doing something and not just “monitoring” the situatiation

 

[Cleanface]

AAU is meaningless when you see some of the members. And UConn has an ag school/is land grant, FWIW.

That’s fine. AAU is the marker the B1G, and most everyone, has historically used. Which schools??

that last bit is kinda the most important part of the calculus though. really really hope KU has to join the AAC or conversely the big12 remnants backfill with some AAC midmajors, maybe BYU. dont want any of them finding P4 life rafts. reality check for these schools. KU is the UConn of the plains.

But like I said, who else is there? What football powerhouse is just out there floating around? What’s more important, adding land or adding brands? Bc the KU bball brand (+AAU) is the biggest thing available on the table (aside from raiding the PAC which I would hate to see).

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Orc is totally right. Colleges that wait for the invite without pushing themselves, wind up in subpar or no conferences at all

 

[nelsonmuntz]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Adding UMass because it's located in a wealthy region ... by this logic, everyone should be going whole hog to land Fordham or Fairfield.

Cable boxes. It is all about cable boxes and tradition.

Edit: I am being sarcastic. I bet you think that wins and losses matter in this too.

 

[bendm]

But like I said, who else is there? What football powerhouse is just out there floating around? What’s more important, adding land or adding brands? Bc the KU bball brand (+AAU) is the biggest thing available on the table (aside from raiding the PAC which I would hate to see).

as a PAC fan i agree and dont think it would happen given their allegiance with the BIG10 and the geographic constraints. LA to NJ and MD is absurd. i'd like to see a scheduling agreement instead.

but to your question there is no school besides ND that would increase the BIG10's revenue enough to offset the 1/15th share the current schools would have to pay out. that's the only number that matters.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I'm not entirely sure how the Big12 can't backfill with the AAC/MWC leftovers at 8 teams, but the big ten at 14 teams should add 4 teams from the Big12/Indy ranks.

UConn and UMass football tv deals combine for like $1M annually.. and the big ten needs to subsidize us and them to the tune of $20M?

The Big 10 needs to beat whatever any school it adds is making by a few million dollars. That is all they have to do. Or the Big 10 can do nothing, and failure will be guaranteed. The Pac 12/Big 10 merger idea is terrible. Trucking olympic sports around the country is a terrible idea, and a lot of the athletes will simply refuse to do it. It won't work for basketball either. Remote outposts generally do not do well in basketball.

People, like several in this thread, who thinks realignment will be decided between brand names from the 80's should stop posting on the topic.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

as a PAC fan i agree and dont think it would happen given their allegiance with the BIG10 and the geographic constraints. LA to NJ and MD is absurd. i'd like to see a scheduling agreement instead.

but to your question there is no school besides ND that would increase the BIG10's revenue enough to offset the 1/15th share the current schools would have to pay out. that's the only number that matters.

Everyone does not need to get an equal share.

 

[bendm]

Everyone does not need to get an equal share.

if they arent increasing revenue proportionately why include them at all?? that's charity not business.

 

[Cleanface]

but to your question there is no school besides ND that would increase the BIG10's revenue enough to offset the 1/15th share of the profit the current schools would have to pay out. that's the only number that matters.

That’s all good. Then we go back to the original topic that started some of the posts; does the B1G need to expand or potentially be left in the dust, or can they hold firm?? I’m of the opinion they can hold firm and only add if there is value. They might be a #2 to the SEC overall, but they will be an incredibly strong #2 and doing it on their own terms/values (instead of ESPN hand puppets)

The idea of anyone leaving the B1G is a non-starter and any action bc of that fear won’t happen. We have a GOR too (we were the first bc we had the first conf network).

 

[nelsonmuntz]

if they arent increasing revenue proportionately why include them at all?? that's charity not business

Why does any M&A occur anywhere in the world? Because the buyer and seller find a price where a combination between the two is mutually beneficial.

 

[CL82]

The guy who could have helped us get into AAU is Tom Katsouleas. But unfortunately, he is no longer president.

He was too busy trying to study up so he could understand the Boneyard.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Everyone can be in one of two camps:

1) You believe that college sports will consolidate to a handful of super powers that dominate across sports and every other school drops to D2 or effectively eliminates their athletic program; or

2) The Alston case will re-fragment college athletics because the major powers can't dominate by cheating anymore.

Every post in this and the other threads falls under one of those two schools of thought about what will happen in realignment.

 

[bendm]

Why does any M&A occur anywhere in the world? Because the buyer and seller find a price where a combination between the two is mutually beneficial.

ok if the PAC only has to pay each of the big12 refugees $12 million a year (half that for k-state) to merge into a 20 team conference then i'm all for it.

otherwise the PAC and BIG stand to benefit more by snuffing out their competition and having a Power4 then by carrying dead weight.

 

[Cleanface]

The Big 10 needs to beat whatever any school it adds is making by a few million dollars. That is all they have to do. Or the Big 10 can do nothing, and failure will be guaranteed. The Pac 12/Big 10 merger idea is terrible. Trucking olympic sports around the country is a terrible idea, and a lot of the athletes will simply refuse to do it. It won't work for basketball either. Remote outposts generally do not do well in basketball.

People, like several in this thread, who thinks realignment will be decided between brand names from the 80's should stop posting on the topic.

Do you have any real ideas who the B1G should add, or are you content just saying they’ll fail if they don’t add anyone?

Everyone does not need to get an equal share.

Which goes against the B1G fundamental values. Not sure you understand the core values of the B1G, or the depth of our history. When half the conf is spending close to $1B/yr on research, they are going to be much more selective and much more mutually respectful. It’s about much more than football games. The B1G doesn’t HAVE to do anything.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The Big 10 needs to beat whatever any school it adds is making by a few million dollars. That is all they have to do. Or the Big 10 can do nothing, and failure will be guaranteed. The Pac 12/Big 10 merger idea is terrible. Trucking olympic sports around the country is a terrible idea, and a lot of the athletes will simply refuse to do it. It won't work for basketball either. Remote outposts generally do not do well in basketball.

People, like several in this thread, who thinks realignment will be decided between brand names from the 80's should stop posting on the topic.

Have fun selling to Ohio State and Michigan football season ticket holders conference games against UConn, UMass, Rutgers, and Maryland.

Tv revenue is huge.. but it's not everything that encompasses an athletic departments revenue.

 

[Vowelguy]

People, like several in this thread, who thinks realignment will be decided between brand names from the 80's should stop posting on the topic.

Dude, you said the BiG should add UMass. You are in no position to be saying who does/doesnt deserve to post in this thread.

 

[HuskyHawk]

People; why did the B1G add Rutgers?? Maryland?? Wth?? Rutgers sucks at everything!

Same people; the B1G needs to diversify. Too many Midwestern farms.

There are only so many options. Aside from OU/TX (and Notre Dame), the next two schools the B1G would like would be UVA & UNC, but that’s not happening. UMass? Seriously?

This is why, IMO, Kansas is an easy #15. Contiguous, AAU status and basketball blueblood = academics & national brand. Those are very rare. Football sucks but oh well. Who else is there?? #16+ is the big question (((imo))).

UConn makes sense as well in many ways. Contiguous, elite basketball brand, more eastern expansion. AAU might be the problem.

Colorado is the better partner to go with KU. Rapidly growing state. AAU. Bigger national following than UConn. Contiguous, better football by a lot. PAC GOR runs out in 2024. The only P5 that would consider UConn is the ACC.

Can't imagine people mentioning UMass. There is too much behind the times thinking here. Media markets and how wealthy your state is don't matter. UMass doesn't move the needle in its home state. Think in terms of every game streaming live at the same time. What do people watch? Fanbase + national appeal = total viewers. National appeal is going to fluctuate and go up with quality of the team, but you can look at it over time. Clemson for example, has way more now than 10 years ago. Texas is actually down from what it was. So is USC. They don't lose everything, but they fall off.

 

[bendm]

Colorado is the better partner to go with KU. Rapidly growing state. AAU. Bigger national following than UConn. Contiguous, better football by a lot. PAC GOR runs out in 2024. The only P5 that would consider UConn is the ACC.

stop praying for the big10 to poach the PAC just to save the jayhwaks from having to join the american. the two conferences have been aligned for over a hundred years and KU football is not going to suddenly change that.

 

[Vowelguy]

Cable boxes. It is all about cable boxes and tradition.

Edit: I am being sarcastic. I bet you think that wins and losses matter in this too.

Of course it matters. That doesnt mean it's the deciding factor. It is one of many things to consider.

 

[HuskyHawk]

stop praying for the big10 to poach the PAC just to save the jayhwaks from having to join the american

They'd never join the American. The B1G 12 still has a contract and will just expand. If they only lose two, that's easy: Houston and either BYU or UCF. There is a chance that if KU also leaves, and WVU, then they'd need two more teams in the B12. But they'd keep the brand and kill the American. No matter what, a league with OK State, K State, Iowa State, TCU, TT, Baylor is vastly better than the AAC is now.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Of course it matters. That doesnt mean it's the deciding factor. It is one of many things to consider.

Texas has dominated in football the last 10 years.

 

[bendm]

They'd never join the American. The B1G 12 still has a contract and will just expand. If they only lose two, that's easy: Houston and either BYU or UCF. There is a chance that if KU also leaves, and WVU, then they'd need two more teams in the B12. But they'd keep the brand and kill the American. No matter what, a league with OK State, K State, Iowa State, TCU, TT, Baylor is vastly better than the AAC is now.

i agree i said the same in my posts above. was just joking b/c i know you are desperate for them to get into the big10 at any cost and the aac is worst case scenario.

 

[don356]

My guess is the remaining 8 B12 schools shop the best alliance they can get $ wise because the blow to their established finances is to great. Probably their best fit is to affiliate with the AAC schools culturally and locality wise if they can convince tv partners to up everyone's game. They're not going to command what they had with Texas and Oklahoma, but as good as AAC football has been lately my guess is it's a more formidable football league than going west. Pac12 tv deals are not ideal either and with the added additions of teams who are not particularly big tv ratings players it won't help them that much. I read today where non Texas and Oklahoma games are not much different rating wise than AAC games. Cbs reported they would only get about 1/4 of what they get now in the current B12 contract. Big, big hit for schools who are used to having that money, and by the way may not get any buyout from the 2 leaving if they stay till 25.

A Big 12 without Texas and Oklahoma Is Worth The Same as - or Less Than - The American

The TV viewership numbers prove it

www.blackandgoldbanneret.com

 

[whalerfan]

Here's a silly question. If the Big 12 effectively kills the AAC does UConn still have to pay the exit fees?

 

[huskymedic]

Here's a silly question. If the Big 12 effectively kills the AAC does UConn still have to pay the exit fees?

Ha… I think we (UConn, USF & Cincy) still got the Big East exit fees after that was killed tho’

 

[Vowelguy]

Texas has dominated in football the last 10 years.

The fact that someone who once received a C got into Harvard proves that grades don’t matter.