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CallMeBruce said:
The depth chart isn't built from the bottom up. If Adams is outplaying Samuel, his minutes are the priority.
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Agreed, but you can't tell me that KO would completely bench TS. With the potential players we would have with the addition of Gibbs I don't see how he fits in and that would cause internal problems.
 
businesslawyer said:
Great. Another one who thinks that his right to free speech doesn't mean that we can't think and say that the speech is idiotic. No one here wanted to ban posters who weren't "rah rah fanboys." Many here wanted to criticize those who are idiotic and assinine enough to actually write that players who contributed to a national championship are'nt division 1 players. There is a difference.
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I wish it was easier for people to pick up sarcasm on the net, because @Gurleyman 's post cracked me up, and I can't imagine any way it was meant to be taken literally.
 
[QUOTE="pj, post: 1319954, member: 2524"There are no minutes for TSam on next year's roster, and maybe not on the following year's roster, especially if Dham moves to small forward[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. At this minute, TSam would have as many or more minutes than last. If Gibbs comes, he would have less minutes but he would still have minutes.
Not sure what you mean by DHam moving to small forward either. That is what he plays outside of the ocassional small lineup.
 
I'm sad to see him go. As far as PT or other considerations its a two way street. TS has things he needs to improve on, but KO also needs to put him in situations where he can be successful. I would not be surprised to see him have more success in a different system and i wish him luck.
 
Matt1010 said:
Agreed, but you can't tell me that KO would completely bench TS. With the potential players we would have with the addition of Gibbs I don't see how he fits in and that would cause internal problems.
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Maybe not completely bench him, but there's a chasm between that and 10mpg. And as far as internal problems go, Samuel hasn't moved up the depth chart because he regressed last year. He didn't earn many minutes.
 
2Husky said:
I'm sad to see him go. As far as PT or other considerations its a two way street. TS has things he needs to improve on, but KO also needs to put him in situations where he can be successful. I would not be surprised to see him have more success in a different system and i wish him luck.
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When you can't shoot, have a mediocre handle, and then start struggling to finish at the rim, that's on you and your deficiencies as a player, not on any system. I wouldn't be surprised to see him perform well at a lower level ala Robert Garrison, but I don't know what system he's excelling in at a high level unless his offensive skill set improves dramatically.
 
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aceboon said:
When you can't shoot, have a mediocre handle, and then start struggling to finish at the rim, that's on you and your deficiencies as a player, not on any system. I wouldn't be surprised to see him perform well at a lower level ala Robert Garrison, but I don't know what system he's excelling in at a high level unless his offensive skill set improves dramatically.
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I mostly agree, I guess i should have been more clear that success may well be at a lower level and I do think TS needs to improve a lot of things. I think its possible that a princeton type system with a good passing big man that could feed him the ball on back cuts to the hoop so he could just catch and lay it in would hide his deficiencies in dribbling and jump shooting for example.
 
This is not a bad thing for UCONN -- they have parted ways that with two players that really couldn't help much. Samuel (at best) was going to function as a small minutes spell for better players or a defensive attack dog. But he is so limited offensively -- I never ever took layups for granted -- that he wasn't going to help them compete against top talent. He had flashes of excellence during the tourney run -- and I think we will all be forever thankful for the role he played in that -- but if we are going to legitimately compete for championships, then Lubin and Samuel don't belong.
 
Right now we have zero point guards in our program with college experience. That's scary. Samuel had his limitations but he provided depth and an insurance policy. Can't blame him for not wanting to be potentially our 3rd string point guard though - kids want to get PT. Not everyone wants to be Donnell Beverly. I have to believe that this is an indicator that Gibbs is on board. I don't think a second freshman PG committing would scare TS off and I don't believe TS would transfer if he was going to be the back up PG next year and get 15-20 MPG.

TS gave us some great minutes in the 2014 tournament, legitimately I'm not sure we win the title without him despite the fact that his contributions were small. Wish he showed some more development during his time here and wish him the best of luck.
 
Say what you want, this will hurt. Especially if we don't land Gibbs. Regardless, as @Lefty2one said, we have zero point guards even if Gibbs comes here. The kid is a natural SG, not a distributing PG. Hopefully we don't run into problems.
 
CTBasketball said:
Say what you want, this will hurt. Especially if we don't land Gibbs. Regardless, as @Lefty2one said, we have zero point guards even if Gibbs comes here. The kid is a natural SG, not a distributing PG. Hopefully we don't run into problems.
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Ignoring the fact that "natural SG," as though they grow in nature, is a nonsense term, Gibbs was recruited as a PG, and played primarily at PG for the last two years at Seton Hall.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
Ignoring the fact that "natural SG," as though they grow in nature, is a nonsense term, Gibbs was recruited as a PG, and played primarily at PG for the last two years at Seton Hall.
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Not really - they ran a 2 guard lineup and Gibbs was asked to score more often than pass. Especially when Whitehead got injured.
 
Yes and no. This team wouldn't be successful if they had to play Samuel 25+ minutes/night anyway. He will end up at a low D1 program, that is a good indicator of his talent, or lack thereof.

CTBasketball said:
Say what you want, this will hurt. Especially if we don't land Gibbs. Regardless, as @Lefty2one said, we have zero point guards even if Gibbs comes here. The kid is a natural SG, not a distributing PG. Hopefully we don't run into problems.
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CTBasketball said:
Not really - they ran a 2 guard lineup and Gibbs was asked to score more often than pass. Especially when Whitehead got injured.
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Gibbs scored a lot of points, but he was SHU's top assist man last year, and though his assist rate dropped when he was on the court with Whitehead, his first year there he had an assist % of 29.3. That's about halfway between Shabazz' junior and senior year, and it's higher than Kemba's or Boat's ever was.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Gibbs scored a lot of points, but he was SHU's top assist man last year, and though his assist rate dropped when he was on the court with Whitehead, his first year there he had an assist % of 29.3. That's about halfway between Shabazz' junior and senior year, and it's higher than Kemba's or Boat's ever was.
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ssist % is an iffy stat, in the ncaa there are no synergy stats so its difficult to tell who dominates the ball to the detriment of the team... its quite possible gibbs got a lot of assists because of how often the offense ran through him. Like westbrook assists vs cp3 assists. I have never watched a full shu game since we are no longer in their conference so i have no clue about his game.

tsam however was in no shape or form a point guard. one of the worst ball handlers we've had in a long time. he wasn't dribbling, 80% he did his 'stiff arm the defender so they don't strip me' technique. pretty enigmatic because at times he looking like a capable playmaker in the halfcourt... albiet with gross shooting mechanics.
 
CTBasketball said:
Not really - they ran a 2 guard lineup and Gibbs was asked to score more often than pass. Especially when Whitehead got injured.
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Of course he was asked to score more once Whitehead got injured. Who was he supposed to pass the ball to?

The "natural point guard thing" is complete nonsense. The fact that Gibbs can actually score shouldn't be used as a knock on his ability to play point guard. And the fact that Terrence Samuel couldn't throw the ball in the ocean doesn't mean he was a "natural point guard" either.
 
CTBasketball said:
Not really - they ran a 2 guard lineup and Gibbs was asked to score more often than pass. Especially when Whitehead got injured.
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You may be a little too high on TSam's PG skills. Passing was not a specialty at all and handling was only so-so. He was at best solid and we can't do anything but get better if indeed we get Gibbs. If we don't it could be an issue.
 
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PcketknfNiels said:
Wouldn't listen to a word that kid says. Went to high school with him and he's a complete idiot.
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He knows kids at UConn who are friends of the players. I think I'd trust him on stuff like this.
 
CL82 said:
Dude, everything okay? You've been pretty crabby lately.

You're 100% right on this post, regardless. (Well except that I'm not sure that posting on the Boneyard is constitutionally protected. It ought to be though.)
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He made a post a couple of days back stating his family went on vacation and he had to work which is why he's crabby.
 
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JimOllie said:
He knows kids at UConn who are friends of the players. I think I'd trust him on stuff like this.
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His 'sources' are some flimsy 3rd hand accounts coming from other 20 year old kids. And by idiot I mean he is legitimately a fairly stupid kid.
 
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