Tennessee goes down to... wait for it... Virginia Tech
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By all means go and get Carolyn Peck. Then I won't have to listen to her......
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It seems like Margo is collecting her thoughts in advance of releasing her take on today's debacle.
She has been largely supportive of Holly in the past.
I wonder when (or if), that is going to change.
There has been a call from some Vols fans for some of the team's former stars
to make their voices heard on the subject of the reason for the team's demise
Catchings, Parker et al, might. Cara, in a journalistic position could very well.
She has been largely supportive of Holly in the past.
I wonder when (or if), that is going to change.
There has been a call from some Vols fans for some of the team's former stars
to make their voices heard on the subject of the reason for the team's demise
Catchings, Parker et al, might. Cara, in a journalistic position could very well.
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Nah - I'm the proponent of eye tests, not purely ratings services, but that doesn't mean wear wonky glasses. Wins over no-body.
That said, a few years ago they would have been losing games they are now winning and the Tennessee game is certainly a confidence builder. Don't expect them to be challenging for a dancing birth, but could finally dig out of being very near (if not actually in) the ACC cellar.
DD was 6-18 on the night, not a stellar game, Graves got 5 shots. She is a long way from being an All- American.
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I think Holly provided exactly what TN needed in her first two years - a calming transition from Pat's early departure and moderate success on the court. If she had then gracefully given way to an outside hire, she would hold a place of high honor in the annals of TN basketball for managing an extremely difficult situation with grace and competence. But it now appears to be the longer she coaches, the more her inability to lead a top flight program gets exposed.
She has repeatedly said she stresses defense, but TN is not a great defensive team - they have good players and height and athleticism, but their defensive system is rudimentary and their help defense is frequently abysmal - it doesn't get exposed badly by mediocre teams, but it is not good enough to get them to the FF.
On the other side, the offense has been a hot mess - it is difficult to see any concepts being taught, or players being developed beyond the natural maturation of age, and no discernible system being run. Even the simple things of setting picks and using them efficiently seem to have gone from the TN game. Pat was not a brilliant offensive tactician, but she drilled the basics, and she demanded disciplined use of them. Holly doesn't seem to even do that. Simmons, Massingale, and now DD seem to have more control of what happens on the floor than she does. And she also appears to have no feel for the flow of the game in front of her - often substituting as if by rota, rather than allowing good flow and hot players to continue to play. There seems to almost be a randomness to her game management. And based on her post game comments, she doesn't seem to understand why things work sometimes and don't at others, or how to promote the good things and prevent the bad things from happening.
Recruiting is a mystery, and TN has the 'storied program', good facilities, and a great fan base going for it, but honestly, based on the product on the floor, I do not know why top national players would choose to sign with the current staff. Local talent I understand, but folks from far away without a personal connection?
She has repeatedly said she stresses defense, but TN is not a great defensive team - they have good players and height and athleticism, but their defensive system is rudimentary and their help defense is frequently abysmal - it doesn't get exposed badly by mediocre teams, but it is not good enough to get them to the FF.
On the other side, the offense has been a hot mess - it is difficult to see any concepts being taught, or players being developed beyond the natural maturation of age, and no discernible system being run. Even the simple things of setting picks and using them efficiently seem to have gone from the TN game. Pat was not a brilliant offensive tactician, but she drilled the basics, and she demanded disciplined use of them. Holly doesn't seem to even do that. Simmons, Massingale, and now DD seem to have more control of what happens on the floor than she does. And she also appears to have no feel for the flow of the game in front of her - often substituting as if by rota, rather than allowing good flow and hot players to continue to play. There seems to almost be a randomness to her game management. And based on her post game comments, she doesn't seem to understand why things work sometimes and don't at others, or how to promote the good things and prevent the bad things from happening.
Recruiting is a mystery, and TN has the 'storied program', good facilities, and a great fan base going for it, but honestly, based on the product on the floor, I do not know why top national players would choose to sign with the current staff. Local talent I understand, but folks from far away without a personal connection?
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speaking of her... it was a pleasure to see her and Jasmine Liston in HD the other dayI think Niele Ivey would be the best choice out there -- but she's entrenched at her alma mater and has a middle-school aged kid so she might not want to make any moves for a few years no matter how good the offer was. (OK - maybe if it were *really* big money but from all indications Hart is not going to be throwing big money at anyone if he even thinks replacing Warlick is a topic worthy of discussion.)
Also, she may very well be aspiring to the HC position at Notre Dame after MM retires, and she's probably got as good a shot as anyone at it. Just saying she'd be the best choice that's even theoretically possible. MM herself is not going anywhere, Mulkey seems to be where she wants to be and I don't see any other HC that would meet their requirements. Ivey is a proven recruiter (problem #1 for the LV's lately) and has also shown ability to work with and develop guards (problem #2) like Diggins and many others who aren't at that talent level but nevertheless grow and compete at a very high level.
I shall pray the rosary and recite 100 Hail Marys in hopes that Ivey never sets foot in Knoxville except on ND game days
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I think Niele Ivey would be the best choice out there -- but she's entrenched at her alma mater and has a middle-school aged kid so she might not want to make any moves for a few years no matter how good the offer was. (OK - maybe if it were *really* big money but from all indications Hart is not going to be throwing big money at anyone if he even thinks replacing Warlick is a topic worthy of discussion.)
Also, she may very well be aspiring to the HC position at Notre Dame after MM retires, and she's probably got as good a shot as anyone at it. Just saying she'd be the best choice that's even theoretically possible. MM herself is not going anywhere, Mulkey seems to be where she wants to be and I don't see any other HC that would meet their requirements. Ivey is a proven recruiter (problem #1 for the LV's lately) and has also shown ability to work with and develop guards (problem #2) like Diggins and many others who aren't at that talent level but nevertheless grow and compete at a very high level.
I shall pray the rosary and recite 100 Hail Marys in hopes that Ivey never sets foot in Knoxville except on ND game days
I'd love for the Vols to land Ivey. Notre Dame's program made a big push once Ivey came on board. McGraw has always been a very good and well respected coach, but it hasn't been until recently that people consider her to be truly exceptional. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing a lot of that has to do with Ivey's presence. Niele has also done an incredible job of recruiting top talent. In her time frame, Notre Dame has landed top 5 kids like Turner, Loyd, Reimer, etc, but she they've also done an exceptional job picking out kids ranked in the 20s-50s who wind up being much better than their Hoopgurlz rating, ala Kayla McBride, Lindsey Allen, Marina Mabrey, Madison Cable, etc. I don't know if she should get credit for all of this, but after watching her as a player 14 years ago and watching her on the sidelines and how she communicates with players, I think she'd be an outstanding choice. Not sure Tennessee could land her though, nor do I expect that Tennessee will bring in someone who isn't from Pat's coaching tree.
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Rumors tonight are that the entire LV team has requested the opportunity to transfer to South Carolina. Dawn Staley quickly responded, " No thank you." Brenda Friese upon hearing the news indicated she might be interested. Kentucky and Louisville are said to be interested, also, including transfer of the team as a unit. They will make space.
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What about Ohio State? Surely they can make room in Columbus.
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Oh geez ... I think McDonalds All American is objective measure..... and Tennessee has SEVEN (7!!!) of them..... one would think that a couple of those would pan out...... it is 101% coaching failure......
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My guess with Tenn is that they let Holly ride out her contract. They're not going to buy out multiple years.
I do think when they do make a new hire, they'll pay little attention to the Pat coaching tree. Dave Hart came from Alabama, he has no UT ties himself. When he came in he consolidated the athletic dept from a men's and women's dept to one dept. He got rid of or marginalized the women who were running the women's dept. I really see no indication that he'd pay any special attention to coaches with a connection to UT or Pat. Any rational person would see that as a good thing considering what's gone on there the last few years. I do see lots of references to bringing in Tyler Summit on Volnation which would have a really high risk attached to it. I can't see Dave Hart doing that. He's made good hires to this point.
I do think when they do make a new hire, they'll pay little attention to the Pat coaching tree. Dave Hart came from Alabama, he has no UT ties himself. When he came in he consolidated the athletic dept from a men's and women's dept to one dept. He got rid of or marginalized the women who were running the women's dept. I really see no indication that he'd pay any special attention to coaches with a connection to UT or Pat. Any rational person would see that as a good thing considering what's gone on there the last few years. I do see lots of references to bringing in Tyler Summit on Volnation which would have a really high risk attached to it. I can't see Dave Hart doing that. He's made good hires to this point.
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Didn't Tennessee extend Holly's contract? Why would they do that if they knew what kind of coach she was? Niele Ivey would make a great head coach if you could get her. First things first, Holly has to either resign or be fired.
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Well when you only score 43, 10 assists isn't that bad.
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Agree. She should shoot at least 40 times a game. Possibly 50.
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Massey has dropped UTenn ranking to 34th. His result predictions show potential losses for 8 additional schedule games. Add that to probable tournament losses and your 12-13 losses seems reasonable..
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Very very happy to see TN lose. Anytime, any place, anywhere, any sport for that matter, but of course especially WBB. I hope they keep Warlick for as long as possible. I personally recommend a lifetime contract.
I also have no sympathy for LV fans. They chose their bed. Let them sleep in it.
I also have no sympathy for LV fans. They chose their bed. Let them sleep in it.
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McGraw just turned 60, I think Ivey will be their next head coach.
If HW really want's what is best for UT she will resign, Hart would not pay out her contract and the fan base is going to have to organize and push him to hire a respectable replacement.
Diamond and the other NC transfers should have stayed at UNC, they would be Juniors and a F4 team.
Most pathetic Lady Vol's game I have watched over 20 years, feel bad for the fan's.
Look's to me like the team quit, more problems then just coaching but it is the biggest problem of all.
If HW really want's what is best for UT she will resign, Hart would not pay out her contract and the fan base is going to have to organize and push him to hire a respectable replacement.
Diamond and the other NC transfers should have stayed at UNC, they would be Juniors and a F4 team.
Most pathetic Lady Vol's game I have watched over 20 years, feel bad for the fan's.
Look's to me like the team quit, more problems then just coaching but it is the biggest problem of all.
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There are many problems at Tenn and its been that way for quite sometime. From what I understand Pat is still in the picture and you cant have more then one coach. You have to have coachable players you cant have your players do as they please, all those AA's who want the ball to shoot and play one on one ala the low assists and Hollys comments about not understanding whats going on. Tenns loss to WVa is no surprise. Tenn is lucky they didn't lose more games . This is not a team.
Does Tenn need a new coach? I think so. Do you think the alums are going to pay more money for a good coach to turn the program around or do you think the alums are going to put their monies behind the Tenn Football Team? I think the ladder. Which is another problem. A new coach needs to rebuild the program and Pat needs to be out of the picture...completely. The Tenn fans will have to understand that before you can get better you have to get worse. The new coach would have to be somebody with experience in winning, building a winning team, a disciplinarian, and be given full reins to run the team. This team is going nowhere so does it really matter who plays and who sits?????
This Tenn roster of players is a Final Four roster but not a final four team. Because it isn't a team. There is no argument there. They aren't even a top 10 team which is something I have been saying for years. They don't know how to execute and they seem not to wanna play tuff defense ala play lazy and go through the motions. Not every player but most. As I stated there are problems at Tenn and its been that way for sometime. You cant coach uncoachable players so IMO sit the players who wont follow directions from the coaching staff and go with the players who will listen and are coachable. If your top kids don't like sitting and being disciplined then let them transfer out and start you rebuilding there.
So my message to Tenn is, Clean House. Sit the un coachable kids until they turn themselves around and work with the kids who want it. If you cant change your players then change your players. Get Pat out of the locker room. Start from scratch and rebuild the program.
Does Tenn need a new coach? I think so. Do you think the alums are going to pay more money for a good coach to turn the program around or do you think the alums are going to put their monies behind the Tenn Football Team? I think the ladder. Which is another problem. A new coach needs to rebuild the program and Pat needs to be out of the picture...completely. The Tenn fans will have to understand that before you can get better you have to get worse. The new coach would have to be somebody with experience in winning, building a winning team, a disciplinarian, and be given full reins to run the team. This team is going nowhere so does it really matter who plays and who sits?????
This Tenn roster of players is a Final Four roster but not a final four team. Because it isn't a team. There is no argument there. They aren't even a top 10 team which is something I have been saying for years. They don't know how to execute and they seem not to wanna play tuff defense ala play lazy and go through the motions. Not every player but most. As I stated there are problems at Tenn and its been that way for sometime. You cant coach uncoachable players so IMO sit the players who wont follow directions from the coaching staff and go with the players who will listen and are coachable. If your top kids don't like sitting and being disciplined then let them transfer out and start you rebuilding there.
So my message to Tenn is, Clean House. Sit the un coachable kids until they turn themselves around and work with the kids who want it. If you cant change your players then change your players. Get Pat out of the locker room. Start from scratch and rebuild the program.
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Tonyc - as usual bang on..... Pat needs to be out, and let the coaches try and coach..... and Holly needs to sit the lazy ones on the bench.....
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The future of Tennessee does look LaTech-ish, doesn't it. Their saving grace is that they're in the SEC, a conference of some significance.
Simply put, Holly needs to go. What I see as a challenge is what the new coach would inherit: a team with talent and no discipline... Whoever comes in would have to be a taskmaster, with the reputation to back it - and risk working with grumpy players who mutter their way through the rest of their Vol career or transfer. So be it. That means the program and its fans would have to put on their big girl pants, grit and endure.
The question is who to bring in. Kara has no coaching experience, nor does Catchings. Carolyn and Van would be a disaster. They've missed out on a flurry of possibilities - just look at the west coast and mid-west programs that took risks that are paying off... Don't envy the fan base - but honestly, I don't know if I care. I like that Dawn exists and is moving to take over TN's role as Big Dog in the SEC. I like the resurgence of the PAC 12 and the rise of Texas as well as some mid-majors. If TN fades, all that talent that gets drawn by it's history now moves to other programs....
Simply put, Holly needs to go. What I see as a challenge is what the new coach would inherit: a team with talent and no discipline... Whoever comes in would have to be a taskmaster, with the reputation to back it - and risk working with grumpy players who mutter their way through the rest of their Vol career or transfer. So be it. That means the program and its fans would have to put on their big girl pants, grit and endure.
The question is who to bring in. Kara has no coaching experience, nor does Catchings. Carolyn and Van would be a disaster. They've missed out on a flurry of possibilities - just look at the west coast and mid-west programs that took risks that are paying off... Don't envy the fan base - but honestly, I don't know if I care. I like that Dawn exists and is moving to take over TN's role as Big Dog in the SEC. I like the resurgence of the PAC 12 and the rise of Texas as well as some mid-majors. If TN fades, all that talent that gets drawn by it's history now moves to other programs....
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Yes folks, it appears that the wheels have begun to wobble, and are in danger of coming off of the old Tennessee Volunteer schooner.
Many sports writers and critics believed that THIS was the best team that coach Warlick has had since taking over for Pat Summit.
I commented in an earlier post that I thought Tennessee was still a year or two away from being a legitimate contender for a NC.
Many sports writers and critics believed that THIS was the best team that coach Warlick has had since taking over for Pat Summit.
I commented in an earlier post that I thought Tennessee was still a year or two away from being a legitimate contender for a NC.
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A great player doesn't necessarily mean a great coach. Look up Cindy Blodgett in Google.
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Well actually it really wouldn't have hurt the Vols much if DD had taken all their shots this season. If you apply her shooting stats to the number of shots the Vols have taken overall on FGs, 3pt FGs, and FTs, the point total is 535, and the Vols have scored just 1 more point this season at 536. Seems like the least you can do to keep your mega star happy is to give her all the shots. Why let any lesser players take them? Their job is to feed her the ball, grab rebounds, and play rock solid defense, and they should let DD do the rest.
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