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AnotherVolFan said:
Hmmmmmmm.... I think this thread was referring to a "regular season game"....so I was commenting on that aspect. But yes if UTenn makes it to the FF or NC game, I do expect UCONN to be there.
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Would like to compliment our half dozen or so vol fan regulars.

Mostly they're ordinary citizens with a different point of view and insight. But it must be difficult to decide what if anything to say when these periodic storms of ill will sweep the board.

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For many here, it's time to move on.

For many others, and they're the more vociferous contingent, the distaste for what happened, and is still happening in some quarters, runs surprisingly deep and can easily be triggered by news events touching on the unresolved -- because neither retracted nor substantiated -- accusations of cheating.

Good job riding it out.
 
JS said:
I rather agree, because I don't see what exactly would be the subject of the apology.

1. The only public accusation was that UConn arranged or assisted in scheduling a tour by Maya of the nearby ESPN facility, because she was interested in sports journalism. A nothing violation, arguably not a violation at all, but UConn accepted a secondary violation for it rather than argue. Secondary violations are no big deal, and it's often pointed out here that TN has more of them than UConn does. There was some confusion in the news accounts at the time whether the ESPN thing was reported by Tennessee or self-reported by UConn, but regardless, UConn accepted that it was a violation, so what's to apologize for?

2. Everything else coming out of official TN about Maya was vague. Ms Cronin just acknowledged that TN's problem was "in part" about Maya Moore. Pat Summitt dropped some innuendo about UConn to the media in response to a question about Bruce Pearl, but the innuendo didn't even mention Maya by name.

3. As far as the innuendo, it was wrong and it's still being carried out by certain of PHS's minions and acolytes. But they aren't official, and as far as PHS herself, well, that was what it was.

4. As far as all the "other" stuff TN filed with the NCAA, it went through proper channels and it failed. I don't see an apology as necessary for taking something to the proper forum for adjudication, even if the motivation and/or the substance are questionable. Yes, it was aggravating to a lot of people, including some who post here, but it at least had a rationale. TN played a weak hand and lost. No apology necessary, IMO, for playing it.

5. The really disgusting, apology-warranting stuff about Maya and her mom has come, persistently for years, out of a group of dedicated ignoramuses on the TN message boards, especially the Summitt. But that's not an official source. It's barely even a human source. The university doesn't control those boards, so how can it apologize for what's said there?

Doesn't mean thoughtful folks can't come up with some kind of peacemaking proposal, joint statement, whatever. Diplomats paper over far more intransigent problems.

Personally, I'm fine with just playing in the tournament, if it breaks that way, and don't care whether it does or doesn't. I don't like what TN did, don't respect it, and certainly loath the message board feculence. But grounds for an official TN apology haven't been identified.
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Thanks JS. This is the best "Reader's Digest" version of the UConn (Maya Moore) / TN feud that I've read. A well written comment that makes a lot of sense.
 
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CocoHusky said:
Fair enough, not the first time I’ve been confused by one of your post. Remember this one?
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Welllllll considering she is originally from Tenn...she'll always be a Tenn girl through and through in my eyes lol but o my excuse me for thinking a Tenn girl would go to UT.....out of all my post that you decided to ramble through to prove your point :rolleyes:, I'm glad that's the only one you found! :cool:
 
Gus Mahler said:
Personally I'm in favor of it, but some folks are anti-percipient.
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I can understand both sides....but I still always wear my anti perspirant.
 
The NY Times (on the web) had a lovely, well-written article regarding a brilliant woman's desire to off herself in advance of the ultimate deline in mental acumen due to diagnosed case of Alzheimer's.
One sentence especially resonated:

Researchers say that by the time someone exhibits mild cognitive impairment, the brain has been degenerating for years, and the drugs, even if they can slow the decline, are too little too late.

I understand that the "never again" group has pre-digested that argument and has shifted some of the blame to the fan, base, the admin and the SEC. it's not just poor demented Pat's fault; it's their collective fault. (that we're not playing a game that the rest of the nation desires).

The fan base: If anyone pays any mind to them, they are serially distraught.

The Admin: Can anyone name a soul at the University of Tennessee that has ever read a 37 page (or is it 370 page?) document? :)
Let's get real here.
My buddy sells the scales that papers and disertations are weighed on prior to the granting of degrees.

The SEC, now that's a truly superlative deliberative body. Can anyone recall a positive example of due dilligence eminating from that group of clowns?

Blaming any or all of the above is akin to "my dog ate my homework."

Let's see…anyone I haven't insulted tonight? …I actually took out an extraordinarily nasty crack laid at the feet of people who entertain the other view. Even too vitriolic for me.

Well, now you can see what a few too many glasses of wine does to my usually placid and rational expression.

Play Ball!
 
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msf22b said:
Let's see…anyone I haven't insulted tonight?
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I don't feel insulted by your post at all it was rather entertaining. I would never feel insulted by someone who holds to an opposite point of view. You conclude by saying Play Ball-I'm assuming you mean restart the regular season series between Utenn. and UCONN women. I say why bother. Your slam at the University of Tennessee administrations for having never read a 37 page document was especially clever as was the crack about weighing the dissertations prior to the granting of degrees- classic stuff.
If it was truly a few glasses of wine that inspired your writing I would suggest a whole bottle. Keep it coming!
 
HuskyNan said:
When will people stop using "alleged" UConn violations and start saying "supposed" or even "made up"? The whole complaint was a wet dream of the Tin Foil Hat Brigade.
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I have to admit that made me giggle.
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
However, at the time the series was cancelled, Tennessee had beaten UConn three years in a row, and was the defending National Champions. If Pat was scared of competition, she would have cancelled the series in the early 2000s when we lost nine of 11 games to UConn.
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You've got this backwards. It wasn't that Summitt was scared of competition, it was that she was resentful that UConn had surpassed her program. She would have cancelled the series if she could, but there was no way that was going to happen back then. The games were too popular. It wasn't until she won her last championship that she had the clout. And she used all that clout to smear UConn and drop the game. No one else wanted that to happen, not the UT athletic department or anyone else. And Geno nailed it the time when he was asked why PHS cancelled the game, "Because she hates me!" That was taken as a Geno quip, but that is the actual reason. And some call that women classy?
 
I think that this is case of "wanting" being greater than "having." Pat's gone, Holly hasn't proven that she can win, or even get to, the NC. In the end this would be just another UConn butt-kicking. Think of the disappointment after the "battle of the unbeaten" championship and multiply it x10.

UConn/UTenn of the 90s was great for WBB. UConn/UTenn today not so much. UConn stands ready to play Tennessee whenever Tennessee can last long enough in March/April. They've got earn it. That Tennessee can't is a marker of where that program is today. Now, if they want a 'charity' game Geno will accommodate them, but there are just a few things they've got to address first. It's all on Tennessee, at this point.
 
Whether or not the game would be competitive is irrelevant to its attractiveness. Tenn is at the level of a Duke or a S Carolina as far as talent. And without question these are the two biggest and most passionate wcbb fan bases in the country. This is Yankees-Red Sox. The fact that Pat is gone removes the drama of two coaches who dislike each other and the teams themselves have little animosity but it's the fans that make it compelling. The game would no longer be between the two best teams in the country but as theater there isn't anything close.

Blue and orange clash.
 
CocoHusky said:
I don't feel insulted by your post at all it was rather entertaining. I would never feel insulted by someone who holds to an opposite point of view. You conclude by saying Play Ball-I'm assuming you mean restart the regular season series between Utenn. and UCONN women. I say why bother. Your slam at the University of Tennessee administrations for having never read a 37 page document was especially clever as was the crack about weighing the dissertations prior to the granting of degrees- classic stuff.
If it was truly a few glasses of wine that inspired your writing I would suggest a whole bottle. Keep it coming!
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Uh, Coco... a few glasses is a whole bottle. I think he was into the 2nd bottle in the post, but it did flow, so ...
 
CocoHusky said:
UCONN Blue and Tennessee orange clashes. There are some schools than manage to pull off both colors harmoniously Florida, Bucknell, Illinois....
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Other than Pantone 287 and Black :), Orange/Blue is the best color combo in college sports. You can add Syracuse and Auburn to the O/B list. TN orange is a hideous orange though........ nothing really goes well with that
 
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CocoHusky said:
UCONN Blue and Tennessee orange clashes. There are some schools than manage to pull off both colors harmoniously Florida, Bucknell, Illinois....
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Not sure about Florida, but then I hate Florida so what can I say?
 
triaddukefan said:
Other than Pantone 287 and Black :), Orange/Blue is the best color combo in college sports. You can add Syracuse and Auburn to the O/B list. TN orange is a hideous orange though... nothing really goes well with that
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Auburn brings it off well. I hate them, too.
 
Gus Mahler said:
Not sure about Florida, but then I hate Florida so what can I say?
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yeah... florida blue is a little bit lighter than Syracuse, Illinois, and Auburn..... doesnt work quite as well
 
Boy, the truth hurts and UCONN does not need Tenn anymore..........Too bad, it was an unbelievable run of games.......
 
Alydar said:
Whether or not the game would be competitive is irrelevant to its attractiveness. .
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Mmm, I'm not sure that's true after the first five minutes of game time.
Alydar said:
This is Yankees-Red Sox.
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No, it's not and it's not even in the same universe.
Alydar said:
The game would no longer be between the two best teams in the country but as theater there isn't anything close.
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I'm afraid that ship has sailed and it was exactly that the game was between the two best teams in the nation that made it compelling in the first place.


The Connecticut/Tennessee rivalry has gone the way of Beanie Babies and Tamagotchi. They all were noteworthy in the 90's but Connecticut fans and the nation has moved on. Tennessee fans should as well.
 
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CL82 said:
The Connecticut/Tennessee rivalry has gone the way of Beanie Babies and Tamagotchi. They all were noteworthy in the 90's but Connecticut fans and the nation has moved on. Tennessee fans should as well.
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Wait!!!! Beanie Babies are gone. So those full boxes I have in my attic that I was going to supplement my 401K with are worth what exactly?
 
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Alydar said:
Yeah, these 205 posts indicate just that. :rolleyes:
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Eliminate the Vol posts and this thread doesn't go to a second page.
 
Why doesn't someone [I don't know how] set up a simple poll?
Should we play TENN? Yes or no. No more discussion.
 
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