Team UConn

[Pudge]

And Pesident Herbst, who was in charge for the ACC mess, hiring Warde, signing off on Diaco, Diaco's extension, and KO's buyout, etc. is still in charge.

Such courage? To what? Courage to cost the university millions to fix your mistakes and bring in people actually competent of doing a good job?

Haha

You’re clueless

 

[Pudge]

The whole higher ed complex is a giant bubble.

The cost/value ratio is competely out of whack.

Few schools and majors actually prepare people for careers.

With AR and VR technology coming quickly. you don’t have to spend 40k a year to live on some campus to have an arrogant egghead tell you about art history.

Think about half the garbage they make students take. Sit here with 100 kids with a TA who makes $6 an hour to memorize some crap for a test you can safely forget 20 minutes later.

The space, the admins, the bloated salaries, the crashing state subsidies.... you are going to be able to learn more, faster at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t know how fast it’s going to happen, but schools that are investing huge dollars in physical buildings and spending at three times the rate of inflation are headed for a very painful fall off the cliff.

That’s why they already are so dependant on international students. When that doesn’t sate their need to spend going forward good luck finding the next customers to bleed dry.

It’s going to be a spectacular crash in places like Connecticut. Upside down demos combined with a death spiral state budget that is going to force the wealthy to vote with their feet.

If Herbst was doing something for the state and school she’d be solving for how to make it an institution that can sustain not just begging for the maximum amount of money to feed to useless administrators.

In real time ... you can see the effect of a seat of the pants “business”plan. I, frankly, cannot fathom what you’re evaluating or what your vision might be. There’s a complex masterpiece of educational advancements going on at UCONN. With constrained resources.

Education? It’s not just vocational.

Yes. My Dad was a College President (etc etc). The number one rated institution in Salaries five years past graduation - you can see it in Forbes; he never believed in Organic Chemistry all day every day. I trust you have walked the campus in Storrs, Connecticut ... and might have seen it in 1990? My view Of UConn is vastly different. Carry on with your rants.

 

[whaler11]

In real time ... you can see the effect of a seat of the pants “business”plan. I, frankly, cannot fathom what you’re evaluating or what your vision might be. There’s a complex masterpiece of educational advancements going on at UCONN. With constrained resources.

Education? It’s not just vocational.

Yes. My Dad was a College President (etc etc). The number one rated institution in Salaries five years past graduation - you can see it in Forbes; he never believed in Organic Chemistry all day every day. I trust you have walked the campus in Storrs, Connecticut ... and might have seen it in 1990? My view Of UConn is vastly different. Carry on with your rants.

Yes that was super ranty.

It’s nice that academic types think there is value in the non-vocational pieces of university studies.

The market is starting to rationally reject $200k English degrees.

Schools aren’t going to be competiting with just other traditional colleges in the future.

Sorry that you are too biased to be willing to understand what’s coming - but the masses are wising up to the scam that cripples their future for decades because they have a 6 figure debt load and a 55k salary with no upside.

As for the business plan if it’s implemented by the same leadership who runs the business of the athletic department I already know it’s a complete failure. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I’m not in love with selling our financial future to China and then doing them the favor of educating their kids.

 

[whaler11]

As for if I’ve been on campus LOL.

That’s the beauty of these threads.

I’m one of a handful of people who actually lives here. I live close enough that I go to the dairy bar on Sundays if I’m bored.

I know how many high salaried people are talking about leaving. I see how the employers don’t think they can recruit here.

I live in a neighborhood full of beautiful houses with for sale signs in front of them that they can’t give away.

I just did a refi and got an appraisal that was 95k less than it was in 2009 and that was only because the appraiser did me a solid and brought in a sale from miles away because there were so few closed deals nearby.

I know how bad we are going to get hammered when the SALT deductions go away next spring.

I understand the budget and where it is headed and that there is literally no solution.

So if you think continuing to throw money at UConn so it can be 17th instead of 28th in a magazine ranking is a great idea - the only conclusion I can come to is that you don’t live here. It’s unsustainable and short-sighted and this will become blatently obvious when the entire state budget is spent on retired state workers.

 

[intlzncster]

The whole higher ed complex is a giant bubble.

The cost/value ratio is competely out of whack.

Few schools and majors actually prepare people for careers.

With AR and VR technology coming quickly. you don’t have to spend 40k a year to live on some campus to have an arrogant egghead tell you about art history.

Think about half the garbage they make students take. Sit here with 100 kids with a TA who makes $6 an hour to memorize some crap for a test you can safely forget 20 minutes later.

The space, the admins, the bloated salaries, the crashing state subsidies.... you are going to be able to learn more, faster at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t know how fast it’s going to happen, but schools that are investing huge dollars in physical buildings and spending at three times the rate of inflation are headed for a very painful fall off the cliff.

That’s why they already are so dependant on international students. When that doesn’t sate their need to spend going forward good luck finding the next customers to bleed dry.

It’s going to be a spectacular crash in places like Connecticut. Upside down demos combined with a death spiral state budget that is going to force the wealthy to vote with their feet.

If Herbst was doing something for the state and school she’d be solving for how to make it an institution that can sustain not just begging for the maximum amount of money to feed to useless administrators.

I'm with you 100% on that. In fact, I'm considering an advanced degree, but plan on doing it overseas. Cost/benefit. Costs $500-1000 per semester for the equivalent, with professors only.

Right now, the online ed thing is still not accepted in the job market, so you've got to get a brick and mortar thing on your resume.

When that changes, the gig is up for US colleges.

 

[intlzncster]

Yes that was super ranty.

It’s nice that academic types think there is value in the non-vocational pieces of university studies.

The market is starting to rationally reject $200k English degrees.

Schools aren’t going to be competiting with just other traditional colleges in the future.

Sorry that you are too biased to be willing to understand what’s coming - but the masses are wising up to the scam that cripples their future for decades because they have a 6 figure debt load and a 55k salary with no upside.

As for the business plan if it’s implemented by the same leadership who runs the business of the athletic department I already know it’s a complete failure. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I’m not in love with selling our financial future to China and then doing them the favor of educating their kids.

There's tremendous value in a well rounded college education. At a fraction of the cost. There's so many better ways it could be organized at a fraction of the cost. Getting rid of the 'resort living' model. Going local for interactions with students. Supplimented AR/VR. Access to professors only. Getting rid of the current 'career path' in academia which is such a silly waste of resources--the publish to publish model et al. Having profs with actual experience in the real world, who aren't just living in theory-land etc. I don't have the patience to type it all out coherently.

As you say, the C/B is waaay out of wack.

 

[whaler11]

I'm with you 100% on that. In fact, I'm considering an advanced degree, but plan on doing it overseas. Cost/benefit. Costs $500-1000 per semester for the equivalent, with professors only.

Right now, the online ed thing is still not accepted in the job market, so you've got to get a brick and mortar thing on your resume.

When that changes, the gig is up for US colleges.

The biggest farce is the MBA programs.

The schools want the revenue and and the only way to get the revenue is to hand out grades so people can get their company’s tuition reimbursement.

Group projects where one person does all the work delivered to bored moonlighters making a quick buck. Everyone gets their grade and signs up for another $3k in classes once the reimbursement resets.

 

[Danzz]

The whole higher ed complex is a giant bubble.

The cost/value ratio is competely out of whack.

Few schools and majors actually prepare people for careers.

With AR and VR technology coming quickly. you don’t have to spend 40k a year to live on some campus to have an arrogant egghead tell you about art history.

Think about half the garbage they make students take. Sit here with 100 kids with a TA who makes $6 an hour to memorize some crap for a test you can safely forget 20 minutes later.

The space, the admins, the bloated salaries, the crashing state subsidies.... you are going to be able to learn more, faster at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t know how fast it’s going to happen, but schools that are investing huge dollars in physical buildings and spending at three times the rate of inflation are headed for a very painful fall off the cliff.

That’s why they already are so dependant on international students. When that doesn’t sate their need to spend going forward good luck finding the next customers to bleed dry.

It’s going to be a spectacular crash in places like Connecticut. Upside down demos combined with a death spiral state budget that is going to force the wealthy to vote with their feet.

If Herbst was doing something for the state and school she’d be solving for how to make it an institution that can sustain not just begging for the maximum amount of money to feed to useless administrators.

Those required courses we all hated to take are designed to expose you to areas you would avoid if left to your own choices. The objective is to be enriching and round you out intellectually.
If you went to a Catholic college as I did they steal your easy electives and fill them with philosophy and theology courses which are generally difficult.
I see their point but I don't remember a damn thing about my metaphysics course.

 

[intlzncster]

I live in a neighborhood full of beautiful houses with for sales signs in front of them that they can’t give away.
I just did a refi and got an appraisal that was 95k less than it was in 2009 and that was only because the appraiser did me a solid and brought in a sale from miles away because there were so few closed deals nearby.

That's what you get for going columns bro. Never go columns.

 

[MadDogRevival]

The whole higher ed complex is a giant bubble.

The cost/value ratio is competely out of whack.

Few schools and majors actually prepare people for careers.

With AR and VR technology coming quickly. you don’t have to spend 40k a year to live on some campus to have an arrogant egghead tell you about art history.

Think about half the garbage they make students take. Sit here with 100 kids with a TA who makes $6 an hour to memorize some crap for a test you can safely forget 20 minutes later.

The space, the admins, the bloated salaries, the crashing state subsidies.... you are going to be able to learn more, faster at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t know how fast it’s going to happen, but schools that are investing huge dollars in physical buildings and spending at three times the rate of inflation are headed for a very painful fall off the cliff.

That’s why they already are so dependant on international students. When that doesn’t sate their need to spend going forward good luck finding the next customers to bleed dry.

It’s going to be a spectacular crash in places like Connecticut. Upside down demos combined with a death spiral state budget that is going to force the wealthy to vote with their feet.

If Herbst was doing something for the state and school she’d be solving for how to make it an institution that can sustain not just begging for the maximum amount of money to feed to useless administrators.

I agree with this post 100%. Spot on.
I know a young fella just got hired programming making 90k - 1.5 semesters in college. The place that hired him doesn't care too much about paper credentials. They make sure you can program, then they hire you as a contractor for 6 months to a year for 30 an hour. If you do the job and fit in, you get hired on for 90. They are doing quite well with that model.

 

[whaler11]

I agree with this post 100%. Spot on.
I know a young fella just got hired programming making 90k - 1.5 semesters in college. The place that hired him doesn't care too much about paper credentials. They make sure you can program, then they hire you as a contractor for 6 months to a year for 30 an hour. If you do the job and fit in, you get hired on for 90. They are doing quite well with that model.

If I wanted to hire computer programmers the last place I’d look is a college.

I don’t really much need them to appreciate Vivaldi or Chaucer.

I want the kid who hasn’t gotten out of his chair since 8th grade and can hack into any system ever built for fun.

 

[UConnDan97]

If I wanted to hire computer programmers the last place I’d look is a college.

I don’t really much need them to appreciate Vivaldi or Chaucer.

I want the kid who hasn’t gotten out of his chair since 8th grade and can hack into any system ever built for fun.

Well, you had better make that kid's contract incentive-based, because he won't show up on Day 2 for the same reasons he didn't show up to school...

 

[intlzncster]

Well, you had better make that kid's contract incentive-based, because he won't show up on Day 2 for the same reasons he didn't show up to school...

Hey, if he wants to work from home, by all means, save me the costs associated with on premises employment.

 

[whaler11]

Those required courses we all hated to take are designed to expose you to areas you would avoid if left to your own choices. The objective is to be enriching and round you out intellectually.
If you went to a Catholic college as I did they steal your easy electives and fill them with philosophy and theology courses which are generally difficult.
I see their point but I don't remember a damn thing about my metaphysics course.

I know the theory.

I also know I can learn more about art history by buying a $200 chromebook and plugging it into the internet.

 

[UConnDan97]

Hey, if he wants to work from home, by all means, save me the costs associated with on premises employment.

He's going to hack your company financials and laugh as he rocks out to Portugal The Man...

 

[whaler11]

He's going to hack your company financials and laugh as he rocks out to Portugal The Man...

Still better than someone spitting COBOL listening to Vivaldi.

 

[8893]

Now's not the time @whaler11 , but I strongly disagree with you on the value of a quality liberal arts education and a college student's ability to approximate it through self-study on the internet.

Maybe we can debate it between sets of Auggie's not Dead band on 4/7.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Honestly, Warde was simply an ok hire. But the instincts were correct. She went and got a well reguarded guy with a football background. ...

IIRC, another reason cited for Manuel's hiring was an athletic dept or hoops' program academic clean up under his watch at Buffalo. Other things went pear shaped during his UConn tenure, but he may deserve some credit along with other individuals for minimally enabling PR improvements post-UConn hoops' APR issues. The latter significantly caused by transfers and NBA careers in addition to a few players and possibly coaches and advisors dropping the academic ball.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

No. It's an indicator that I allow this board to suck too much time out of my life. I change the password so I can't log on, then I take a break. Longest break was about 6 months, IIRC. Harder habit to break than nicotine, and that was very tough.

I'll take your word for it on this response, but it leads me to curiosity about your prior names/handles/identities. Can you (or somebody else keeping score at home) help me out here?

 

[CL82]

I thought only people from the South were willing to compromise academics for athletic success... I guess not.

You should feel embarrassed to even say such a thing.

He absolutely should, well other than he didn't say that. Reread his post and try again.

#trollbetter

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Haha

You’re clueless

Let's hear your theory on recruiting rankings again, champ.

 

[Scrutineer]

Its funny how quick people are able to criticize the hiring of Diaco and Ollie. Playing monday morning quaterback is easy. If I recall, at the time of both hires, most were excited. Only after the fact are people willing to criticize. I don't judge people on making mistakes, I judge them on how they act afterwards. In any case, my contention is Warde Manuel would not have been as proactive as AD DB was.

Warde Manuel is most responsible for the mess the past few years, and Herbst aided and abetted him.
He hired Diaco, a safe hire because he had been named D Coord. of the Year. He had never been a Head Coach, knew nothing about how to run a program, and Manuel should have sought advice on a rising young coach to hire. You know, like the guys who went to UCF, Memphis, Houston, Temple and others. Manuel had lots of time to get recommendations on a new hire and blew it. Plus, Diaco's "used car salesman" routine at his introductory press conference was all we needed to see something was not going to turn out well.
Then, to compound it, Manuel negotiated a contract with Ollie with an unheard of provision, a fully guaranteed five year contract, rather than the customary lesser amount or lesser number of years. Benedict foolishly signed it and thus also bears a great deal of responsibility for the current financial mess.

 

[Scrutineer]

I care only because I want UConn to be well thought of. I don’t want it to be a place about which people say... “0h, you went to UConn” with the implied “I’m sorry”. I want to be proud of it. I wouldn’t be proud of going to Memphis or Louisville no matter what their sports teams do.

But all of that misses the point. The President’s job is to care about academics, and research and money and marketing and everything else. Athletics is, a portion of the marketing. Nothing more. It keeps alumni engaged and can be attractive to some prospective students. It also helps get your name out. But the President doesn’t and shouldn’t focus much of her attention on it.

Not sure I agree about Herbst. It seems she and Manuel were either asleep at the switch when the Louisville and Rutgers moves were being made, or possibly were just so inexperienced that they didn't know what to do. Either way, two teams (especially Rutgers) made moves that have saved them financially while UConn wallows in a morass of declining revenues and higher costs.

 

[Scrutineer]

The whole higher ed complex is a giant bubble.

The cost/value ratio is competely out of whack.

Few schools and majors actually prepare people for careers.

With AR and VR technology coming quickly. you don’t have to spend 40k a year to live on some campus to have an arrogant egghead tell you about art history.

Think about half the garbage they make students take. Sit here with 100 kids with a TA who makes $6 an hour to memorize some crap for a test you can safely forget 20 minutes later.

The space, the admins, the bloated salaries, the crashing state subsidies.... you are going to be able to learn more, faster at a fraction of the cost.

I don’t know how fast it’s going to happen, but schools that are investing huge dollars in physical buildings and spending at three times the rate of inflation are headed for a very painful fall off the cliff.

That’s why they already are so dependant on international students. When that doesn’t sate their need to spend going forward good luck finding the next customers to bleed dry.

It’s going to be a spectacular crash in places like Connecticut. Upside down demos combined with a death spiral state budget that is going to force the wealthy to vote with their feet.

If Herbst was doing something for the state and school she’d be solving for how to make it an institution that can sustain not just begging for the maximum amount of money to feed to useless administrators.

Excellent points about the physical plant.

 

[whaler11]

Let's hear your theory on recruiting rankings again, champ.

The absolute best thing you could say for them this week is they may have cleaned up a mess they made.

They ain’t out of the woods yet.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Those required courses we all hated to take are designed to expose you to areas you would avoid if left to your own choices. The objective is to be enriching and round you out intellectually.
If you went to a Catholic college as I did they steal your easy electives and fill them with philosophy and theology courses which are generally difficult.
I see their point but I don't remember a damn thing about my metaphysics course.

I understand that objective. Now think about the climate at most colleges, where nothing can be debated? Everyting offends someone. Trigger words and gender neutral pronouns. Speakers shouted down. Universities have become anti-intellectual.

You add that to the high cost and it becomes harder and harder to justify. I honestly think the main thing kids learn now is some minor degree of self sufficiency. Unless they have a more vocational field of study. I’ve got three more years until my daughter graduates HS and the whole college choice and major selection issue concerns me.

 

[RoderickSpode]

Plus, Diaco's "used car salesman" routine at his introductory press conference was all we needed to see something was not going to turn out well.

It’s like a baby trying to lift the coffee table.

 

[bigknight3]

The only defense of the Ollie hire - and I'm super glad it's available to his defenders - is that he won** a national championship. That's it. That's the only defense.


**With Calhoun's guys, trained under Calhoun, with Calhoun and Miller still in the picture.

You seem to forget that he held the team together for a year while being banned from the tournament. And wasn't he on a trial 9 month contract at first. The way the team played in year 1 earned him that extension and then they backed it up with a championship in year 2. Those first two years your argument doesn't hold water.

 

[TRest]

You seem to forget that he held the team together for a year role being banned from the tournament. And wasn't he on a trial 9 month contract at first. The way the team played in year 1 earned him that extension and then they backed it up with a championship in year 2. Those first two years your argument doesn't hold water.

After we knocked off MSU in Germany, with the players all mobbing KO on camera, I thought we had struck gold.

 

[donyell34]

After we knocked off MSU in Germany, with the players all mobbing KO on camera, I thought we had struck gold.

Yep!! Fools gold.