Taya Reimer transferring from Notre Dame -- or not

[StarMan]

The ND spokesperson didn't say she's staying. He said, speaking in the present, that she's still a member of the team.

I interpret it that the spokesperson (probably the ever ND-sanguine Chris Masters) is saying that (a) as far as ND is concerned, and (b) as of right now, that's the case.

If she's not leaving, or at best in limbo, why is her status for Sunday's game "uncertain?"

Have been surmising they prevailed on her (they have leverage in the matter of her release to talk to other schools) to mull it over the weekend and not make any hasty announcement until she's done that.

And then talked with them some more. Maybe they make some promises addressing her (rumored, alluded to on ND board) grievances.

So I think the situation plays out a little longer. And if I had to guess I'd say she's not playing Sunday.

There's no doubt that Taya Reimer has something going on and there's a lot of talk as to what it could be. At this point nobody seems to have any clear evidence of what her issues might be. I hope that she isn't pressured by irrelevant media opinions.

JS, please take the following exceptions as meant with a touch of humor. I think your comments are generally in sync with the topic.

[The ND spokesperson didn't say she's staying. He said, speaking in the present, that she's still a member of the team.

I interpret it that the spokesperson (probably the ever ND-sanguine Chris Masters) is saying that (a) as far as ND is concerned, and (b) as of right now, that's the case.]

I’m not sure that this interpretation is germane to the discussion as it can be said of everyone from Notre Dame’s student assistants to Muffet McGraw.

[If she's not leaving, or at best in limbo, why is her status for Sunday's game "uncertain?"]

Well, let’s speculate! I could offer that Taya Reimer might be handling a very personal matter as such. It’s even possible that Notre Dame respects her wishes. It’s also possible that Taya Reimer may not feel a need to explain or justify herself to even a single sporting news organization, bulletin board member or moderator, or resident of American Samoa who questions, ventures guesses, or starts a rumor about her.

[Have been surmising they prevailed on her (they have leverage in the matter of her release to talk to other schools) to mull it over the weekend and not make any hasty announcement until she's done that.

And then talked with them some more. Maybe they make some promises addressing her (rumored, alluded to on ND board) grievances.]

Or offered her candy, or threatened her dog, or engaged in even more avoidable speculation totally lacking supporting evidence… I don’t know for sure, but I’ve heard it suggested that Notre Dame could be trying to help her with whatever she’s going through without hoping to gain something for themselves. My apologies...

[So I think the situation plays out a little longer.]

Well said!

[And if I had to guess I'd say she's not playing Sunday.]

Agreed.

Still, I respect the discretion of organizations like ESPN that have the patience to wait without putting a media spotlight on the matter. There’s little doubt that all will become clear soon.

Again, my apologies to you JS, your comments are not an exemplar of what I'm trying to address and I hope that folks on the board will forgive a bit of my cantankerousness on the subject. Certainly, boards like this one exist to promote unfettered discussion. I’m writing this largely with regard to the effect of rumors that grew out of Elena Delle Donne’s departure from UConn and the discomfort and fatigue she's said they caused her (Heard on car radio long ago -- sorry I can't source it). Although it’s still speculated about even now, the real reason for her leaving was not because of flaws in UConn’s program, Geno Auriemma, or a lack of personal fortitude, but an intimate one that I don't think should have been intruded on for the sake of a basketball.

Just my opinion... I know everybody has one.

 

[NewCorn]

So let me understand this--- Taya Reimer is the only person that is able to express her/their views, and no one else has the right to express their disagreement with her views. First amendment only goes in one direction in this country I guess. And everyone is speculating on this. And obviously any extreme hate mail, etc... is uncalled for and wrong--obviously. So is burning down cities when you disagree with something as well. I'll bet her leaving has little to do with this issue--- just a guess.

I don't think Taya has burnt down any cities. If people responded to her by expressing their opposite views, that's fine. But responding in a way that suggests violence upon her person is way out of line.

 

[earl the pearl]

The ND spokesperson didn't say she's staying. He said, speaking in the present, that she's still a member of the team.

I interpret it that the spokesperson (probably the ever ND-sanguine Chris Masters) is saying that (a) as far as ND is concerned, and (b) as of right now, that's the case.

If she's not leaving, or at best in limbo, why is her status for Sunday's game "uncertain?"

Have been surmising they prevailed on her (they have leverage in the matter of her release to talk to other schools) to mull it over the weekend and not make any hasty announcement until she's done that.

And then talked with them some more. Maybe they make some promises addressing her (rumored, alluded to on ND board) grievances.

So I think the situation plays out a little longer. And if I had to guess I'd say she's not playing Sunday.

A lot of interpreting, surmising and guessing. I think she leaves.

 

[Orangutan]

HF21- that may have been a smoke screen comment- we'll never know. And I think she could not play basketball the first yr as part of the transfer rules I think. Then Geno had to authorize her playing B Ball at Delaware I think?

Iirc, not only did she have to sit a year due to transfer rules, she didn't even touch a basketball.

 

[FairView]

Some info from the ND coach:

http://www.wsbt.com/sports/McGraw-discusses-Reimer-s-absence/30632206

 

[Uhuru]

First, let me say that I can't stand anything about N. Dame. I root against all its teams. I can't stand the artificial "mystique", the presumption of entitlement, etc. I dislike intensely the fight song and the mascot. I can stomach maybe 3 or 4 N. Dame fans/alumni, that's about it. I'd even rate Indiana as one of my least favorite states.

As for Ms. Reimer, I don't care if she returns to N.D. or not. I do hope she works through whatever this scenario involves so that she can enjoy these best years of her life.

 

[Geno-ista]

Disagreement is all well and good but there is a matter of proportion. Reimer wore a t-shirt with a quote that people didn't like. In response, people addressed theselves specifically to her with hate mail vitriolic enough to concern the police. It was a reaction out of proportion to the "offense".

And just as a general comment, the First Amendment doesn't say people can say whatever they want, wherever they want. It's meant to protect the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference.

Nan- I was responding to the

Disagreement is all well and good but there is a matter of proportion. Reimer wore a t-shirt with a quote that people didn't like. In response, people addressed theselves specifically to her with hate mail vitriolic enough to concern the police. It was a reaction out of proportion to the "offense".

And just as a general comment, the First Amendment doesn't say people can say whatever they want, wherever they want. It's meant to protect the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference.

Nan- I appreciate the RSVP. I understand the philosophy of our Founding Fathers. I don't like haters. [mod edit; politics] And I noted in my RSVP to DR that I disdain the fact that she received any direct response that would make the police or her uncomfortable about. I thought my RSVP was proportional and even handed.
Every time this "kind of stuff comes up", I can't wait to root for my team from down south, outside Ct!!! [mod edit] I can take it! Go Huskies!

 

[FairView]

I don't believe the issue is free speech. Of course people are free to say what they want. Anyone can wear a shirt that says whatever they want, It's about consequences. Whether the consequences are good or bad, justified or unjustified, harmful or beneficial, there are consequences to one's actions. When someone speaks out on a controversial issue, they should know that people from across the spectrum may react. Should people have sent pictures of burning jerseys? Of course not, but that's a consequence of using a very public forum to make a statement.

 

[hjoerring]

I don't condone hatemail or over the top responses to any one who expresses an opinion. But one could substitute the words " I love cops" for "I can't breathe" on a tee shirt and she would have received hate mail etc from a different group of people. That's what a divisive issue is and ,unfortunately, in our increasingly polarized society extreme responses are becoming commonplace. This may have been the young student athletes first foray into such social issues and she sounds overwhelmed with the response.When Reimer puts the ND uniform on she represents the student body, the administration, the alumni and the trustees. Someone more seasoned , as in Muffet, should have had a better understanding of the potential consequences.

If what you say is to be believe then no student is free to say and do anything outside of what a university prescribe. This is true for academic, athletic and general students alike. If the univ and/or team sought to punish her because of her stance she should go public. Violene is violence- police especially should not have a free bane.

 

[arch]

If what you say is to be believe then no student is free to say and do anything outside of what a university prescribe. This is true for academic, athletic and general students alike. If the univ and/or team sought to punish her because of her stance she should go public. Violene is violence- police especially should not have a free bane.

?????????????

 

[JS]

If the univ and/or team sought to punish her because of her stance she should go public. Violene is violence- police especially should not have a free bane.

1. There's been nothing whatsoever in the publicly available information to suggest her problem is related to any sort of punishment for her stance. To the contrary, far as I've seen the staff was supportive.

2. "Bane?" Doesn't work in modern English so it's tempting to think transcribing mistake. But at the risk of possibly excessive erudition: You're Danish I believe. Are you thinking of a word with a derivation in common with Middle English? [Old English bana, slayer; Old Norse bani, death; Old Saxon bano, murderer]. In that context the use of the word would actually make a kind of sense.

 

[Geno-ista]

I don't think Taya has burnt down any cities. If people responded to her by expressing their opposite views, that's fine. But responding in a way that suggests violence upon her person is way out of line.

Did I say she burned down cities? I inferred that????

 

[Geno-ista]

Some info from the ND coach:

http://www.wsbt.com/sports/McGraw-discusses-Reimer-s-absence/30632206

And the actual issue seams to be unfolding in Muppet's own words in the quotes in the link above- Taya and Muppet have had some "mono a mono" meetings recently on her performance or play of late. She was the 4th ranked player in her class, that we also recruited. And if she were performing up to what we thought was her potential, Notre Dame would be much more of a contender. Does everyone still think this has much or anything to do with a social statement, or some idiots response to them, after reading this carefully. Another smoke screen, IMO, as the actual truth begins to come out.

 

[maddoggy]

1. There's been nothing whatsoever in the publicly available information to suggest her problem is related to any sort of punishment for her stance. To the contrary, far as I've seen the staff was supportive.

2. "Bane?" Doesn't work in modern English so it's tempting to think transcribing mistake. But at the risk of possibly excessive erudition: You're Danish I believe. Are you thinking of a word with a derivation in common with Middle English? [Old English bana, slayer; Old Norse bani, death; Old Saxon bano, murderer]. In that context the use of the word would actually make a kind of sense.

I do not wish to be the bane of your existence, but I believe you may wish to revise point #2.

 

[JS]

I do not wish to be the bane of your existence, but I believe you may wish to revise point #2.

Apologies to those (most, perhaps) for whom this is an uninteresting digression, but I love word origins.

Maddoggy, you cite the familiar phrase meaning a person or thing that ruins or spoils, or is a cause of distress or annoyance, or is particularly effective in causing one trouble or worry.

If one says police "should not have a free bane" I think we're looking at an older meaning -- i.e. a source of death -- that's present, sometimes noted as obsolete, in some dictionaries. In this sense it definitely goes back to Middle English and earlier (Old English Germanic, Scandinavian influences).

So if a Northern European writing in English as a second language uses the odd (to my ear anyway) phrase "a free bane," I'm surmising he may be mentally translating a thought equivalent to "a license to kill."

I'll file that away as the "007 interpretation." The other interpretation, of course, is he meant to say something like "a free hand" but mistranscribed it, which would be rather less interesting.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Sad.

As one who grew up in a time of social turmoil that saw students fighting against social injustices and helping to bring about the changes today that even in the face of many inequalities still at least allow four members of the UConn starting team to be on a court that they would have been barred from it 55 years ago, it is sad to see the "she got what was coming to her" and "next she'll be joining those burning down cities" type of comments here about a young women standing up for her moral values.

And to say that someone who would wear a shirt that says "I love cops" would be exposed to hate mail is a sign of total cluelessness. In my town as in most towns of the USA, wearing a Police Benevolence Badge earns you kudos rather than hate, but likewise if a cop attacks a black guy and then shoots him when he defends himself, Al Sharpton will win over many local supporters for his protest march among those who can recognize when an injustice has been done. That's my Dobbs.

Hate mail of the type that Reimer received is unfortunately all to common in a polarized America, but it is sad to see the "she had it coming" statements about a brave young woman.

Taya, you go girl.

 

[j66kicker]

I didn't see any, "She had it coming" statements. ???

 

[JS]

OK, I admit to an esoteric digression myself, but the thread isn't being kept on this board to debate -- again -- the clash of social [and quasi political] value systems in play with the t-shirts episode.

Hence . . . let's pick up the Reimer saga in a new thread when there's some news.