Summer transfers

[whaler11]

Yup, sometimes kids make most interesting short-term decisions ... LT implications be danmed. To be fair, can't blame anyone for limiting time in eastern Spartacus Kentucky!

His future is Canada. May as well be with a coach you trust at EKU - the dirty little secret is that the OVC isn’t that different from the AAC when push comes to shove.

 

[kibblesnbits]

His future is Canada. May as well be with a coach you trust at EKU - the dirty little secret is that the OVC isn’t that different from the AAC when push comes to shove.

I guess that depends on your definition of “isn’t that different” and how “dirty” you like your secrets. Does the OVC turn out some good players (e.g. Romo, Garrapolo, etc.)? Sure. But they haven’t even won an FCS championship this century. In fact, they’ve only put a team in the finals once. Two-thirds of their champs have washed out in the first round. While it’s true that UConn hasn’t held up its end of the bargain in the last 8 years, the overall quality of play in the AAC is far beyond a league that’s been a mid-tier FCS league for 20+ years.

 

[ktuck911]

Happy for Dixon. Wish him well at EKU.
Gotta think sitting a year and losing that playing yr of playing time for another FBS program didn't sound too appealing. Personally I think that rule sucks. They hold have the same rule they use for college basketball on transfer policy. He should provide that program with an immediate spark at the WR position for this upcoming season.

 

[Purple Stein]

I guess that depends on your definition of “isn’t that different” and how “dirty” you like your secrets. Does the OVC turn out some good players (e.g. Romo, Garrapolo, etc.)? Sure. But they haven’t even won an FCS championship this century. In fact, they’ve only put a team in the finals once. Two-thirds of their champs have washed out in the first round. While it’s true that UConn hasn’t held up its end of the bargain in the last 8 years, the overall quality of play in the AAC is far beyond a league that’s been a mid-tier FCS league for 20+ years.

OVC put 2 teams in the tournament last year to AAC's 3. OVC won two tournament games to the AAC's 3.

EKU actually hung with two FBS teams last year -- kept the games a lot closer than we would have.

Just like the AAC, the OVC plays on the Plus.

Of course the AAC is a better league -- AAC went 6-1 head to head vs the OVC in MBB. But the gap isn't as big as we like to pretend it is.

 

[Drew]

OVC put 2 teams in the tournament last year to AAC's 3. OVC won two tournament games to the AAC's 3.

EKU actually hung with two FBS teams last year -- kept the games a lot closer than we would have.

Just like the AAC, the OVC plays on the Plus.

Of course the AAC is a better league -- AAC went 6-1 head to head vs the OVC in MBB. But the gap isn't as big as we like to pretend it is.

This is a football message board. You cant use basketball statistics to argue the football leagues are the same. OVC got 2 NCAA tournament bids and the PAC12 got 3. You going to tell me the OVC football is similar to the PAC12 too?

 

[Drew]

His future is Canada. May as well be with a coach you trust at EKU - the dirty little secret is that the OVC isn’t that different from the AAC when push comes to shove.

I agree with about 95% of what you say here usually but vehemently disagree with the bolded above. Hard to find data on this sort of thing but going by Real Time RPI the AAC is closer to the SEC than the OVC is to the AAC: RealTimeRPI.com College Football/NCAAF - College Football Power Rankings and Analysis, A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

 

[whaler11]

I agree with about 95% of what you say here usually but vehemently disagree with the bolded above. Hard to find data on this sort of thing but going by Real Time RPI the AAC is closer to the SEC than the OVC is to the AAC: RealTimeRPI.com College Football/NCAAF - College Football Power Rankings and Analysis, A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

i meant from an individual players perspective.

 

[Drew]

i meant from an individual players perspective.

We can agree to disagree but the last 2 recruiting classes for AAC teams consist of 406 3 star prospects and 2 4 star prospects per 247. Average the 3 star players out its essentially 17 per school times 4 classes and thats an average of 68 per roster.

It’s nearly impossible to find quality information on OVC recruiting but given that FCS teams are only allowed to provide aid equivalent to 63 total scholarships I doubt the entire OVC has rosters comprised of 3 star level players. Even UConn who is dead last in the AAC has 11 3 star prospects per year the last 2 classes. Using that as the baseline would mean the worst OVC team’s roster is comprised of 2/3 3 star prospects.

 

[whaler11]

We can agree to disagree but the last 2 recruiting classes for AAC teams consist of 406 3 star prospects and 2 4 star prospects per 247. Average the 3 star players out its essentially 17 per school times 4 classes and thats an average of 68 per roster.

It’s nearly impossible to find quality information on OVC recruiting but given that FCS teams are only allowed to provide aid equivalent to 63 total scholarships I doubt the entire OVC has rosters comprised of 3 star level players. Even UConn who is dead last in the AAC has 11 3 star prospects per year the last 2 classes. Using that as the baseline would mean the worst OVC team’s roster is comprised of 2/3 3 star prospects.

i’m sure you’d make the argument for some players in the SEC they could have developed better in the AAC. Some players will develop better in the Sun Belt or CAA than the AAC. Especially when not part of a culture of extreme losing.

 

[Drew]

i’m sure you’d make the argument for some players in the SEC they could have developed better in the AAC. Some players will develop better in the Sun Belt or CAA than the AAC. Especially when not part of a culture of extreme losing.

Sure you can develop wherever depending on culture, coaching, etc. But even from that standpoint- which is different from what we talked about earlier and nearly impossible to provide data on- The AAC is ahead. Last two draft classes have had 29 AAC players drafted with multiple first round picks and the OVC has 4 picks none higher than the third round (1) with the other 3 coming in round 5 or later. At the start of the 2018 season there were 100 former AAC players on NFL rosters compared to 9 for the OVC in 2017 (cant find 2018 data).

I’m not an AAC apologist by any means but the football and players in the league are nowhere near equal to what is in the OVC and the data backs that up.

 

[Hornet22]

Sure you can develop wherever depending on culture, coaching, etc. But even from that standpoint- which is different from what we talked about earlier and nearly impossible to provide data on- The AAC is ahead. Last two draft classes have had 29 AAC players drafted with multiple first round picks and the OVC has 4 picks none higher than the third round (1) with the other 3 coming in round 5 or later. At the start of the 2018 season there were 100 former AAC players on NFL rosters compared to 9 for the OVC in 2017 (cant find 2018 data).

I’m not an AAC apologist by any means but the football and players in the league are nowhere near equal to what is in the OVC and the data backs that up.

I personally think it came down to dollars and cents (sense). He didn’t have to sit out a year and Eastern Kentucky offered him more money because he’s probably perceived as a step up in talent coming from the FBS level- with his measurables and speed. I just don’t think Cincy or any other FBS program was willing to offer a full scholarship to a player who would have to sit out a year and coming from a subpar competitor with almost zero stats last year- especially when you’re limited to 25 per class (for the most part)

 

[Drew]

I personally think it came down to dollars and cents (sense). He didn’t have to sit out a year and Eastern Kentucky offered him more money because he’s probably perceived as a step up in talent coming from the FBS level- with his measurables and speed. I just don’t think Cincy or any other FBS program was willing to offer a full scholarship to a player who would have to sit out a year and coming from a subpar competitor with almost zero stats last year- especially when you’re limited to 25 per class (for the most part)

You have to offer full scholarships at FBS so any offer he would’ve gotten at the FBS level is a full ride.

Transferring to EKU makes a ton of sense given the connections to UConn on the coaching staff and is coincides with the idea that Dixon was really not looking to challenge himself in the weight room and off the field. He gets to play one more year of football without having the grind of playing at the FBS level and will most certainly be a standout on the Colonels roster. I’m happy he found a home.

 

[Hornet22]

You have to offer full scholarships at FBS so any offer he would’ve gotten at the FBS level is a full ride.

Transferring to EKU makes a ton of sense given the connections to UConn on the coaching staff and is coincides with the idea that Dixon was really not looking to challenge himself in the weight room and off the field. He gets to play one more year of football without having the grind of playing at the FBS level and will most certainly be a standout on the Colonels roster. I’m happy he found a home.

I’m happy for him too. What I meant by offering money is the financial aid (non scholarship) that he would have gotten from said FBS program as an out of state kid was probably not as much as the total aid package (football monies, academic monies, etc) that he was getting from the FCS school.
Either way, he’s at a place where there’s mutual interest and I hope he thrives.

 

[RSTuthill]

Pindell was a joy to watch. He never quite matched my original expectations for passing, but he very much exceeded my expectations as a thrilling scrambler.

I remember watching UConn get pasted by one of the better teams and the announcer exclaiming at one point, "Uh oh, Pindell is loose in the secondary and NO ONE is gonna catch that guy!! Pindell has some serious wheels!!"

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

i meant from an individual players perspective.

Sure, yet Dixon's future is more likely similar to non-athletes and the overwhelming majority of football-playing athletes; a regular job not playing football on a gridiron field. In any case, I wish him well in eastern Kentucky and beyond ...

 

[whaler11]

Sure, yet Dixon's future is more likely similar to non-athletes and the overwhelming majority of football-playing athletes; a regular job not playing football on a gridiron field. In any case, I wish him well in eastern Kentucky and beyond ...

lol i’ll take his chances on playing professionally over almost every player on UConn’s current roster.

sure it might be canada but please watch a game.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

lol i’ll take his chances on playing professionally over almost every player on UConn’s current roster.

Time will tell; wouldn't bet the house

 

[Chief00]

I have been meaning to bring up that very point. I'm not sure he really was the lead on any other recruits in his brief time here. I'm sure he suggested many players to Edsall and i'm going to guess that Edsall didn't agree with the assessment. They probably weren't far apart about a kids athletic ability, just how to handle that kid once in the program and what is the right way to court the kid. I could see them disagreeing over which kids are the ones worth taking an academic risk on as well.

They disagreed on a lot.

 

[Pudge]

lol i’ll take his chances on playing professionally over almost every player on UConn’s current roster.

sure it might be canada but please watch a game.

From the Opinion that that OVC is a fair equivalent of the AAC

If Dixon was from my neighborhood in Connecticut, and he had the same choices set ... you tell him to go UALBANY or Stony Brook or UNH. James Madison. How do you get beyond Harlan County & fentanyl back to Greater NYC to Boston professional jobs. From Eastern Kentucky. And CFL? Gosh.

 

[whaler11]

From the Opinion that that OVC is a fair equivalent of the AAC

If Dixon was from my neighborhood in Connecticut, and he had the same choices set ... you tell him to go UALBANY or Stony Brook or UNH. James Madison. How do you get beyond Harlan County & fentanyl back to Greater NYC to Boston professional jobs. From Eastern Kentucky. And CFL? Gosh.

you worry about the dumbest stuff.

nobody cares if you went to Eastern Kentucky or New Hampshire.

you should let Tim Boyle know what a big mistake it was to not pick Albany.

you ever notice how few college football players work professional white collar jobs in big fancy cities?

 

[Pudge]

you worry about the dumbest stuff.

nobody cares if you went to Eastern Kentucky or New Hampshire.

you should let Tim Boyle know what a big mistake it was to not pick Albany.

you ever notice how few college football players work professional white collar jobs in big fancy cities?

You never think like a parent. Why is that

(O yeah)

Boyle is a unique case. However ... ’ing academics (remember Student Athletes) is FAR better at CAA than a Eastern KY or Murray State. By HUuuuuge superlatives

 

[whaler11]

You never think like a parent. Why is that

(O yeah)

Boyle is a unique case. However ... ’ing academics (remember Student Athletes) is FAR better at CAA than a Eastern KY or Murray State. By HUuuuuge superlatives

i guess the parents don’t think like parents because eastern kentucky has a full roster.

dude a huge percentage of the kids playing college football don’t give a rat’s arse about the academics - that’s partly why schools like UConn go 1-11 - because they are delusional about the reality of college sports.

 

[Chief00]

dude a huge percentage of the kids playing college football don’t give a rat’s arse about the academics - that’s partly why schools like UConn go 1-11 - because they are delusional about the reality of college sports.

So true.

 

[Pudge]

i guess the parents don’t think like parents because eastern kentucky has a full roster.

dude a huge percentage of the kids playing college football don’t give a rat’s arse about the academics - that’s partly why schools like UConn go 1-11 - because they are delusional about the reality of college sports.

Silly answer.

 

[whaler11]

Silly answer.

lol ok guy who has been wrong about everything for a decade

 

[Pudge]

lol ok guy who has been wrong about everything for a decade

Been a wonderful decade since that Lehman thing

 

[Pudge]

lol ok guy who has been wrong about everything for a decade

Did you happen to google the passing game of Eastern Kentucky for 2018?

Frankly. Yes I know more about the CAA programs than you did about Eastern Kentucky or OVC. You just love to argue ... and most of it is out your arse. CAA is a better brand of Football; better Academic Universities. And there ain’t gonna be a lot of kids making the NFL catching 12 balls at EKU.

 

[whaler11]

Did you happen to google the passing game of Eastern Kentucky for 2018?

Frankly. Yes I know more about the CAA programs than you did about Eastern Kentucky or OVC. You just love to argue ... and most of it is out your arse. CAA is a better brand of Football; better Academic Universities. And there ain’t gonna be a lot of kids making the NFL catching 12 balls at EKU.

this doesn’t even make sense.

i don’t know why you cant wrap you head around this stuff but nobody gives a damn about the marginal difference between the academics at new hampshire versus eastern kentucky - nobody.

maybe let the kid decide what the best place for him is - not some aarp member who hasn’t posted a correct opinion about college football in a decade?

if im talking out of my arse - my arse has a helluva track record

 

[Pudge]

this doesn’t even make sense.

i don’t know why you cant wrap you head around this stuff but nobody gives a damn about the marginal difference between the academics at new hampshire versus eastern kentucky - nobody.

maybe let the kid decide what the best place for him is - not some aarp member who hasn’t posted a correct opinion about college football in a decade?

if im talking out of my arse - my arse has a helluva track record

Dixon can’t get to whatever Pro career you imagine from Eastern Kentucky. They’re just not a pass catchers paradise.

And the earlier OVC is like the AAC - that’s BS

Leave aside the idea that no kid or parent cares about Academics. The opinion you are arguing is nonsense. Eastern Kentucky is a landing place. On the face of it ... it’s scary not at a good level.

 

[whaler11]

Dixon can’t get to whatever Pro career you imagine from Eastern Kentucky. They’re just not a pass catchers paradise.

And the earlier OVC is like the AAC - that’s BS

Leave aside the idea that no kid or parent cares about Academics. The opinion you are arguing is nonsense. Eastern Kentucky is a landing place. On the face of it ... it’s scary not at a good level.

You live in an alternate reality. Believe whatever crazy nonsense you’d like about Albany or New Hampshire or what percentage of college football players care about academics.

ehat an upgrade ALBANY would be. The mighty great danes. the mighty COLONIAL.