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superjohn said:
It was not good with him on the floor much of the time. The kid shot 20% from the field for a good chunk of the season.
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Can you at least try to put together an intelligent post?
 
This is crazy talk.

We are a terrible rebounding team with Hamilton.

Who's going to handle the ball? Jalen and Freshman Gilbert for 40 minutes each?

We struggle to score and rebound and lost our best player in both those categories.

Sure Hamilton had his flaws and I'm not saying we'll suck... But this is lunacy.
 
Matrim55 said:
Yes, and we were still better with him out there than on the bench. That should tell you what a huge all-around impact he had for us.
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Disagree, his play was hurting us a lot during that horrible stretch. He was still rebounding and the rebounding will be missed but he was ball stopping, taking lousy shots and turning over the rock. Wanted the kid to come back for his sake and for the team's sake but let's not overrate his season. I welcome the Adams, Gilbert era. Hamilton is a jack of all trades who isn't good enough at any one trade. I like his game but a 38% shooting guard at the end of the day is still a 38% shooting guard.
 
superjohn said:
We now desperately need Rodney to come back and Ollie is gonna go to town on the recruiting front with three open schollie. As far as DHam, I just hate seeing young talented people making awful decisions about their future, especially when it is one of our own.
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Couldn't agree more. And can't say I'll be rooting for someone that is making such a bad decision.....not for the fans, for himself. He is forfeiting his future over one lousy year. So short-sighted.
 
UConnSwag11 said:
if he's going to get paid playing basketball in say australia, i say that's much better than to go to school when you dont want to
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Not when staying just one extra year likely greatly improves your chances at playing in the only league that matters. And by the way, it is far more likely he ends up in a hell-hole than in Australia.....ask Khalid
 
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I'm pretty optimistic to get back to the 2-pg attack with a real athlete/finisher on the wing. Issue for me is depth , Ollie desperately needs a late signee or a grad transfer.
 
uconngb said:
Couldn't agree more. And can't say I'll be rooting for someone that is making such a bad decision.....not for the fans, for himself. He is forfeiting his future over one lousy year. So short-sighted.
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DHam could give a rats if you root for him
 
uconngb said:
Not when staying just one extra year likely greatly improves your chances at playing in the only league that matters. And by the way, it is far more likely he ends up in a hell-hole than in Australia.....ask Khalid
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Khalid's spent roughly 10 out of 13 years in Europe. France and Germany seem like pretty nice places to play ball compared to others.
 
James said:
I'm pretty optimistic to get back to the 2-pg attack with a real athlete/finisher on the wing. Issue for me is depth , Ollie desperately needs a late signee or a grad transfer.
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agreed - needs at least 2 more signees
 
Fishy said:
Not fazed by the Hamilton news - still think next year's team is going to be very good.

With Larrier and Vance coming, if there was one position where wecould afford a defection, it was the wing.

I think it may free the ball up more and allow the guards to dictate more of the game and the pace. I expected Jalen to be the star of next year's team and this may actually help him.

Not worried about this at all- I think it's a mistake for Hamilton, but less of an issue for the team. (Timing is so odd...he either got great feedback, bad advice or is just winging it.)

Still worried about rebounding, though. I'd like us to do more of it next year.
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The biggest hurt on the team of Dham leaving early may be rebounding.
 
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James said:
I'm pretty optimistic to get back to the 2-pg attack with a real athlete/finisher on the wing. Issue for me is depth , Ollie desperately needs a late signee or a grad transfer.
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Me too, it's where UConn has always really excelled. We need at least two signings now and they have to be impact signings.
 
@Matrim55 assist% and assist totals don't tell the whole story of players and how good of passers they are. There's a different between Russell Westbrook and prime cp3 for instance. Not saying he hunted assists all the time but it happens.
 
Obviously we're a better team with DHam than without, but it would've been a bad fit next year with him and Larrier both looking for major minutes and neither one being an ideal PF. There's a good chance this makes us better for 17-18 even if we're worse off next season.
 
Matrim55 said:
He was the second-best defensive rebounder in the league and the second-best passer, by assist %.

Your analysis is laughably tautological.
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No. 1 ranked player in the AAC by Kenpom, 2nd team all conference, you can go on but you are debating with someone whose basketball comprehension does not go beyond looking at FG%.
 
James said:
@Matrim55 assist% and assist totals don't tell the whole story of players and how good of passers they are. There's a different between Russell Westbrook and prime cp3 for instance. Not saying he hunted assists all the time but it happens.
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Agree 100%. That said, the direction this thread seems to be heading is that "we didn't play the two-headed point guard attack because Hamilton demanded so much of the ball, which meant we were inefficient."

I think that's incorrect. The truth is we didn't play the two-headed PG system because we didn't have two PGs worth playing, and because of that Hamilton was given the ball in all sorts of bad spots, which helped lead to his inefficiency.

Next year we will have two ball-handlers, most likely. The thought of that in addition to Hamilton's passing & playmaking had me giddy.
 
Yep, I'm also strangely optimistic. A backcourt of Gilbert, Adams, and Purvis. Vance and Larrier on the wings. Then Brimah, Facey, Enoch, Diarra and maybe Durham down low. Still sounds pretty good to me!!
 
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Matrim55 said:
He was the second-best defensive rebounder in the league and the second-best passer, by assist %.

Your analysis is laughably tautological.
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No , I have google on my computer too. I'm aware of his rebounding and passing, I'm also aware of his shooting. I would ask you to call it straight but you fail to ever look at things with any sort of complexity. Hamilton is a very good player but has glaring holes in his game, shooting/finishing and balhandling are not at an elite college level and are nowhere near NBA level. UConn is historically at it's best with two elite level ballhandlers who can also score and an elite wing scorer. Hamilton has a lot of things he is good at, being an elite scorer at the wing position is not one of them. He will be missed for sure but not as much as some expect.
 
ClumsyLibrarian said:
Rodney posted this picture after the season and I didn't think anything of it. But now that Hamilton signed with an agent, It's making me think more and more that Rodney is leaving with him. If so, we need to sign a third guard badly.
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Objectively speaking, Rodney should leave. Of course, that decision would most likely put a preseason nail in next season's coffin.
 
Jerry1714 said:
No. 1 ranked player in the AAC by Kenpom, 2nd team all conference, you can go on but you are debating with someone whose basketball comprehension does not go beyond looking at FG%.
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Not saying Hamilton was a lights out shooter, but the field goal percent being low was certainly brought down by having to put up bail out shots towards the end of the shot clock (at least anecdotely it seemed).

I get everyone trying to rationalize this but this is terrible news if we wanted to really contend next season.
 
Matrim55 said:
Agree 100%. That said, the direction this thread seems to be heading is that "we didn't play the two-headed point guard attack because Hamilton demanded so much of the ball, which meant we were inefficient."

I think that's incorrect. The truth is we didn't play the two-headed PG system because we didn't have two PGs worth playing, and because of that Hamilton was given the ball in all sorts of bad spots, which helped lead to his inefficiency.

Next year we will have two ball-handlers, most likely. The thought of that in addition to Hamilton's passing & playmaking had me giddy.
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You're creating this in your head, everyone knows we didn't have a two headed point guard monster this past season, Gibbs couldn't penetrate at all and Adams didn't really come on until later in the year. I see us getting back to that with Gilbert and Adams.
 
I think there are way too many x-factors to be optimistic at this point, including the future of Purvis and Brimah. The loss of Hamilton is big though, despite the fact that he was a whipping boy around here quite often this season.

Who the hell knows though, the highest expectations we've had recently (2010, 2012, 2016) were our most disappointing seasons and ones with little hope (2011, 2013, 2014) weren't all that bad.
 
superjohn said:
No , I have google on my computer too. I'm aware of his rebounding and passing, I'm also aware of his shooting. I would ask you to call it straight but you fail to ever look at things with any sort of complexity. Hamilton is a very good player but has glaring holes in his game, shooting/finishing and balhandling are not at an elite college level and are nowhere near NBA level. UConn is historically at it's best with two elite level ballhandlers who can also score and an elite wing scorer. Hamilton has a lot of things he is good at, being an elite scorer at the wing position is not one of them. He will be missed for sure but not as much as some expect.
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What a bizarre intellect you have.
 
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Matrim55 said:
What a bizarre intellect you have.
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How so? You call me out for bringing up that Hamilton is a career 38% shooter, I don't call you out for bringing up his rebounding and assist numbers. Hamilton is what he is, a very good college player who also has glaring holes in his game. We are obviously better off with him but your act is tired with you coming at me for bringing up the fact that he was an inefficient scorer for us. If this is how you discuss things I'll make a point of no longer discussing things with you, it's just not a good look.
 
superjohn said:
How so?
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Your analysis: " 38% shooting guard at the end of the day is still a 38% shooting guard" is then followed by accusing someone else of lacking nuance. You deny making tautological arguments and then make the tautological argument that UConn always do better with two PGs and a scoring wing.

It's bizarre.

Anyway, let me boil it down: Hamilton shot 45% from the field when on the court with Brimah this year. Also, playing on the same court with 2 PGs would lead to 1) better shots, which means 2) increased efficiency, and then you have 3) your high-scoring wing.

Sometimes a 38% shooting guard isn't actually a 38% shooting guard. And sometimes a cigar really is a ****.
 
Anyone who thinks they have the answer on how much of an impact DHam will have by leaving is wrong. Thoughts, sats, %'s, etc etc there's an argument for both sides. He was easily our best rebounder, hunted boards like no one else. He got many of those because he was reading them, not guarding his man. does it mean he's smart or lazy on D? Both really so again, there's a chance both sides have some reasoning here. Also he threw the ball away with an efficiency many would prefer to forget and instead call him an assist machine. Well if you're trying to make great passes all the time some will connect and some will be great passes right.

He hurts with his decision, quite honestly himself probably more than us. Awful decision and I'm amazed considering what the family has already seen, I'm baffled by this. He shoots the ball from his chest, he doesn't get sir on his drives he's a grounder and he cheats on d. Seemed to turn the corner at the end of the year but we will never know now, very disappointing decision and must say I will be amazed if he ever sees any significant time in the NBA.

Someone is excited about this right? A grad transfer, Larrier, a freshman or anyone who wants to wear the uni and be a Husky. We'll be fine, he was going to be a very big piece no doubt but irreplaceable? NO Life goes on in Storrs.
 
I thought Dham would be a beast next year. He was finding his groove toward the end of the year and I totally felt next year could be one of those major leaps we see from time to time between Soph and junior years ( most recently bazz and kemba come to mind) . That said with everyone back I was a little worried about chemistry issues as far as who really is the guy. So losing him while I will miss seeing what might've been,doesn't hurt as bad as it might've because it has potential to be addition by subtraction floor chemistry wise...... Maybe.

However I will echo what I've seen in this thread. No purvis back and all bets are off and I will be severely worried. I think purvis is first team AAC next year and in running for player of the year if he comes back.

We can't lose purvis.

We could've weathered one or the other. Not both.
 
Matrim55 said:
Your analysis: " 38% shooting guard at the end of the day is still a 38% shooting guard" is then followed by accusing someone else of lacking nuance. You deny making tautological arguments and then make the tautological argument that UConn always do better with two PGs and a scoring wing.

It's bizarre.

Anyway, let me boil it down: Hamilton shot 45% from the field when on the court with Brimah this year. Also, playing on the same court with 2 PGs would lead to 1) better shots, which means 2) increased efficiency, and then you have 3) your high-scoring wing.

Sometimes a 38% shooting guard isn't actually a 38% shooting guard. And sometimes a cigar really is a ****.
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That Brimah DHam crap is so vastly overrated it's pitiful. Please you guys are lost. How many times can I tell you one game when he scored 15 or so 12 were without Brimah on the court. Want to watch all the games to see how many he scored with Brimah on the bench. He played 30 plus minutes your guy played 18 so the only real answer is to look at every game and check the minutes they were in together. Do you have that stat?

Otherwise it's as simple as the truth, he was in a slump and suddenly started making a few shots when Brimah came back, coincidentally and that's it.

Sorry Matrix love your stuff I really do but you fall in love with generic stats way too much.
 
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