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Maybe next season Coach Cal can petition the NCAA for exhibition season status for his Kentucky team, so all his freshmen can get at least one year under their belts before they are expected to perform like veterans in the Final Four. They will have to agree to be voluntarily ineligible for the SEC postseason tournament, but they will be eligible to participate in the NIT, as long as they don't have to play Robert Morris again.
 
Scoe said:
Boo hoo freshmen my @ss, you wanna be called the best team or amongst the best of all time then when you fall short of a title you can't handle the criticism of coming up short you can't have it both ways.
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I don't think Calipari was calling his team the best of all time. The media was. Secondly, I despise UK and Calipari and I was glad they lost. But I'm not surprised at all that they lost to an experienced team.
 
champs99and04 said:
There's no rationalizing with some folks when it comes to UK and Cal.

I thought Cal got out coached tonight, but it happens. I actually thought that - gasp - Cal overachieved with that squad to take them to 38-0. It was an absurd collection of talent, but there was less separation between them and the field than most people thought.

Give Cal Duke's roster, and people would still kill him for under-performing.
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Calipari is a very sketchy individual with no ethical compass, but this talk that he can't coach is ridiculous. Bill Self is someone who can't really coach. Calipari is probably going to the CBB hall of fame.
 
champs99and04 said:
There's no rationalizing with some folks when it comes to UK and Cal.

I thought Cal got out coached tonight, but it happens. I actually thought that - gasp - Cal overachieved with that squad to take them to 38-0. It was an absurd collection of talent, but there was less separation between them and the field than most people thought.

Give Cal Duke's roster, and people would still kill him for under-performing.
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But he's the one who is coaching at Kentucky, who has complete control over personnel decisions. The youth excuse wears thin when he's the one decides that his team is going to be young year after year.
 
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Maybe Calipari will now realize he has to recruit a point guard in order to win titles.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
But he's the one who is coaching at Kentucky, who has complete control over personnel decisions. The youth excuse wears thin when he's the one decides that his team is going to be young year after year.
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Who is saying otherwise? I just don't agree with the premise that Cal is coaching this fool-proof champion and all these other coaches are winning with kids off the scrap heap. Just imagine the narrative if Cal was coaching the current Duke team: Cal is killing college basketball with all these one and dones, how much did he pay Okafor, Winslow is a thug, etc. etc. Pound for pound, I would argue that Duke is just as talented, yet K gets to use youth as an excuse and Cal doesn't.

He's been out-coached in some big spots over the years, there is no question about it. Happened again tonight. But four final fours in six years is hard to argue with.
 
champs99and04 said:
Who is saying otherwise? I just don't agree with the premise that Cal is coaching this fool-proof champion and all these other coaches are winning with kids off the scrap heap. Just imagine the narrative if Cal was coaching the current Duke team: Cal is killing college basketball with all these one and dones, how much did he pay Okafor, Winslow is a thug, etc. etc. Pound for pound, I would argue that Duke is just as talented, yet K gets to use youth as an excuse and Cal doesn't.

He's been out-coached in some big spots over the years, there is no question about it. Happened again tonight. But four final fours in six years is hard to argue with.
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For one, I've never seen people give K a pass because of the youth of his team, but I'll take your word for it. I happen to think Calipari is a good coach, but ripper saying "but they're freshmen" doesn't really work because Cal is at Kentucky and can almost pick any recruit he wants. So I think people get tired of when he uses the players ages as an excuse in interviews after losses.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
For one, I've never seen people give K a pass because of the youth of his team, but I'll take your word for it. I happen to think Calipari is a good coach, but ripper saying "but they're freshmen" doesn't really work because Cal is at Kentucky and can almost pick any recruit he wants. So I think people get tired of when he uses the players ages as an excuse in interviews after losses.
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Seems like we're on the same page, then. As for K, it isn't about people giving him a pass as much as it is people not maintaining the same standards for every coach. When K loses a big tournament game with a squad loaded with McDonald's all-Americans, people give him hell for it, but still consider him a great coach. When Cal loses it is because he's a choke artist, clown, cheater, etc. I can only imagine the hell he would have taken had he dropped games to fifteen and fourteen seeds in a span of three years.

And I know it's different because K has four titles and is arguably the GOAT. I just think Cal is held to an unreasonable standard.
 
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I hate Squid. My life is better when he fails. I feel better about myself when he fails. I literally hate him worse than anything else in sports. Possibly the world.
 
champs99and04 said:
When Cal loses it is because he's a choke artist, clown, cheater, etc. I can only imagine the hell he would have taken had he dropped games to fifteen and fourteen seeds in a span of three years.
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The BIG difference is that Coach Cal has already been stripped of 2 Final Fours at different schools for cheating. He left the programs to deal with the messes he created. While I dislike Coach Kryz, he has never been penalized by the NCAA and has won consistently over time at a very respectable school.
 
I hope their starters return again next year and they recruit multiple more platoons to form a company. They can play two and a half minutes each, go 39-0, and lose again. It'll feel even better next time around.
 
msgordon said:
caliparis had ridiculous success (like to the point of absurd) in recruiting top pgs the last 7-8 years
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Yeah? Those pgs looked awesome on the court tonight and last April. Neither Harrison twin is an actual point guard. He hasn't had anyone of any quality to run the team and handle the ball down the stretch since Teague in '12. The Harrisons proved once again tonight that they are not good late-game players handling the ball and making decisions. Mistake after mistake, they were masked last season by Aaron's repeated 25-foot shots that kept going in on the last possession. But both years the Harrisons ran into a veteran team with guards and ballhandlers late in the tournament, who pressured them late in the game, they lost.
 
Yet the media will still portray Calipari as one of the greatest coaches of all time...
 
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Ripper is right, Calipari is an amazing coach but his collection of 9 McD's all-americans were just too green. It was a bunch of frosh that never saw the bright lights, plus the twins and Cauley-Stein. Give them Westbrook or Harden and he easily would have won it.
 
superjohn said:
Ripper is right, Calipari is an amazing coach but his collection of 9 McD's all-americans were just too green. It was a bunch of frosh that never saw the bright lights, plus the twins and Cauley-Stein. Give them Westbrook or Harden and he easily would have won it.
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Yeah I guess now the question goes over to the winner:

Can Wisconsin beat the 76ers? :rolleyes:
 
superjohn said:
Ripper is right, Calipari is an amazing coach but his collection of 9 McD's all-americans were just too green. It was a bunch of frosh that never saw the bright lights, plus the twins and Cauley-Stein. Give them Westbrook or Harden and he easily would have won it.
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Give Calhoun 9 McD's all Americans and they hoist the trophy.
 
Palatine said:
Give Calhoun 9 McD's all Americans and they hoist the trophy.
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Not too sure about that. JC's sweet spot seemed to be one AA, a few four-stars and some 4-year grinders. JC struck out with perhaps the best "on paper" team UConn ever had (Villanueva/Gay plus a roster of top 100 guys).
 
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Ripper32 said:
I don't think Calipari was calling his team the best of all time. The media was. Secondly, I despise UK and Calipari and I was glad they lost. But I'm not surprised at all that they lost to an experienced team.
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Ok I get what your saying I wasn't trying to get into an argument with you, we both got what we wanted in UK going down. Im not at all surprised that UK went down, ND should have beaten UK, Wisconsin was even better then ND (obviously), more clutch and better coached and hungry after last years defeat to UK. UK could have benefited having a loss or 2 in the regular season you learn more after a loss then you do off a win. Wisconsin had a tougher schedule and is more used to being in closer games.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
Yeah? Those pgs looked awesome on the court tonight and last April. Neither Harrison twin is an actual point guard. He hasn't had anyone of any quality to run the team and handle the ball down the stretch since Teague in '12. The Harrisons proved once again tonight that they are not good late-game players handling the ball and making decisions. Mistake after mistake, they were masked last season by Aaron's repeated 25-foot shots that kept going in on the last possession. But both years the Harrisons ran into a veteran team with guards and ballhandlers late in the tournament, who pressured them late in the game, they lost.
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How much of a blue print did last years Uconn guards provide in beating UK guards. Obviously Shabazz and Boat, you also had Tsam in his role last year and Kromah, watching him guard the Harrisons was like watching a Super Sr stealing a Freshmens lunch on the first day of school.
 
Brochacho said:
No. A team with the Harrisons will never win a championship.
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That's 9 McD's - he still has 3 scollies for the 4 star players which would be his PG's. Harrisons on the bench LOL
 
Brochacho said:
No. A team with the Harrisons will never win a championship.
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Calhoun wouldn't have cared about the Harrison twins' egos, and Ulis would have seen far more minutes.

Want proof: in 2004, Marcus Williams was taking more and more minutes from Taliek until he flunked off the team.

Any coach that was willing to, you know, coach!, would have given Ulis a lot more minutes over the course of the season.
 
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That's two straight years fools have gotten national champion tatoos long before the team has won those titles.
 
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