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Raycom is the ACC Network. But its like the old BE Network.

The only way an ACC network evolves is with ESPN off-loading the games and sports it doesn't want to the Network for a percentage ownership. Raycom becomes a partner in the network and the other regional sports networks that ESPN normally sells to including CBS and Fox are excluded and contracts bought out. What does ESPN get for that move? A 35% stake in nothing? Raycom gets 15% and the ACC 50%? Then the ACC Network has to prove it can improve on the old distribution model and with carriage fees and advertising be a win/win/win for a all 3 parties.

Not impossible. It just sounds like too much work for Swofford who is better at scheming than executing this type of project plan. I could execute it but not Swofford :)
 
One thing about this idea that the football schools will go their separate ways and quit the NCAA. Say a bunch of ACC schools (4 to B12, 2 or 4 to B1G, 2 to SEC) go elsewhere. That still leaves 7 ACC schools plus Cincy and UConn without a home.

It is extremely hard then to believe that those 9 schools would be locked out of the basketball side of this equation. Especially if Duke is one of them.
 
RS9999X said:
Raycom is the ACC Network. But its like the old BE Network.

The only way an ACC network evolves is with ESPN off-loading the games and sports it doesn't want to the Network for a percentage ownership. Raycom becomes a partner in the network and the other regional sports networks that ESPN normally sells to including CBS and Fox are excluded and contracts bought out. What does ESPN get for that move? A 35% stake in nothing? Raycom gets 15% and the ACC 50%? Then the ACC Network has to prove it can improve on the old distribution model and with carriage fees and advertising be a win/win/win for a all 3 parties.:)
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The current Raycom deal is a deal between that network and ESPN - the ACC gets nothing from it.

ESPN gains nothing from a proposed ACC network - I think this was truly a misstep by the ACC when they renegotiated their deal. They maximized their money for that exact moment in time and perhaps left some of it on the table going forward - that deal makes them vulnerable long term.

And then you get into the issue of carriage fees - outside of North Carolina and Virginia, which carriers are going to want to pay fees for that channel when they're already ponying up X number of dollars for the new SEC Network or the Big Ten Network?

Any current talk of an ACC Network is really just a vanity play.
 
Duke, Wake, Pitt, BCU, SU, USF, UCF, Cincy, UConn, Temple, Memphis, Lousville.

Stranger things have happened. Decent enough East Coast League.
 
RS9999X said:
Duke, Wake, Pitt, BCU, SU, USF, UCF, Cincy, UConn, Temple, Memphis, Lousville.

Stranger things have happened. Decent enough East Coast League.
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If that happens, we make Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville apply to get back into the Really, Really and Yet Sorta Old New Big East.
 
RS9999X said:
Raycom is the ACC Network. But its like the old BE Network.

The only way an ACC network evolves is with ESPN off-loading the games and sports it doesn't want to the Network for a percentage ownership. Raycom becomes a partner in the network and the other regional sports networks that ESPN normally sells to including CBS and Fox are excluded and contracts bought out. What does ESPN get for that move? A 35% stake in nothing? Raycom gets 15% and the ACC 50%? Then the ACC Network has to prove it can improve on the old distribution model and with carriage fees and advertising be a win/win/win for a all 3 parties.

Not impossible. It just sounds like too much work for Swofford who is better at scheming than executing this type of project plan. I could execute it but not Swofford :)
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Rather than risk cultural upheaval under a B1G union, I think the ACC schools push Swofford to squeeze more out of the current tv deal (again) and develop a long range plan to craft their own comprehensive sports tv package in the future. Maryland, adjacent to Penn St and financially weakest of the ACC pact took the easy money. I think UNC, Duke, GT have a tougher internal sell on the B1G and therefore they will push for the best of both, to remain in the ACC and to lean on ESPN. Sprinkle in a broad alliance agreement with B10 for all sports and violia, the ACC wins.

Turning back to the Northeast. Rutgers, MD and Penn St dont have the critical mass to force a juicy BiG cable contract in the Northeast. Its just not enough to cut through the sports clutter. They need another area team; whether its Syr, Uconn or BC to ensure steady interest. One of these three needs to go to the B1G and of these, we fit best with the B1G profile.
 
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Fishy said:
The current Raycom deal is a deal between that network and ESPN - the ACC gets nothing from it.

ESPN gains nothing from a proposed ACC network - I think this was truly a misstep by the ACC when they renegotiated their deal. They maximized their money for that exact moment in time and perhaps left some of it on the table going forward - that deal makes them vulnerable long term.

And then you get into the issue of carriage fees - outside of North Carolina and Virginia, which carriers are going to want to pay fees for that channel when they're already ponying up X number of dollars for the new SEC Network or the Big Ten Network?

Any current talk of an ACC Network is really just a vanity play.
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I think the ACC knew what you know to be true: the Carriage Fees just aren't there for an ACC Network to succeed. Only 52,000 FSU fans showed up for the 2010 game against Wake. 20,000 fans went missing for that one game. Most likely: Raycom now subcontracts the ACC vault and streaming and could choose to expand it. Include the non-revenue sports, RayCom content and Vault content for a very modest subscription fee to steam to all devices.

They are starting to back into a decent streaming network by default

http://www.theacc.com/accnetwork/
 
There might be an issue there, too. For starters, the rights to ACC hoop and football are gone - ESPN has them. If you're going to see them online, it will be on ESPN3. Beyond that, most programs have individual deals for what they refer to as their multi-media rights.

e.g. UConn receives $8M for their MM rights from IMG. I think UNC gets $9.5, most ACC schools receive far less. (NC State only gets $4.5m).

Again, the problem there is that the current rights - from Tier 1 to Tier 3, right down to the right to stream game audio over the 'net, are already sold and would have to be recaptured. (Even if they weren't, the subscription model would produce peanuts and likely operate at a loss.)

Happily, the ACC is in a box.
 
Exit 4 said:
Turning back to the Northeast. Rutgers, MD and Penn St dont have the critical mass to force a juicy BiG cable contract in the Northeast. Its just not enough to cut through the sports clutter. They need another area team; whether its Syr, Uconn or BC to ensure steady interest. One of these three needs to go to the B1G and of these, we fit best with the B1G profile.
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I agree with this. When UConn went to SNY, everyone in CT demanded that SNY be added to their cable package. I believe it happened in time for the first UConn game. The same would happen if UConn went to the B1G. That's an entire state that the B1G would be able to add. Is CT a huge get? Not necessarily but there are UConn alums in RI, MA, and NY that would want the BTN as well. I don't know if BC moves the needle enough in Boston for folks to demand that BTN be added but there's history with the SNY move to show that CT would add the BTN in a heartbeat if UConn went to the B1G. Add them with RU and NYC would likely be move attainable.
 
RS9999X said:
I think the ACC knew what you know to be true: the Carriage Fees just aren't there for an ACC Network to succeed. Only 52,000 FSU fans showed up for the 2010 game against Wake. 20,000 fans went missing for that one game. Most likely: Raycom now subcontracts the ACC vault and streaming and could choose to expand it. Include the non-revenue sports, RayCom content and Vault content for a very modest subscription fee to steam to all devices.

They are starting to back into a decent streaming network by default

http://www.theacc.com/accnetwork/
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If the ACC cant squeeze more out of its TV sports in its own markets, then why would the B1G be anymore successful once it has the choice ACC schools in their fold? The B1G will encounter the same problems. If people in NC, SC, Georgia, etc wont pay for the ACC channel, I see no reason to pay for the B1G channel. And I just dont think the notion of watching UNC play Michigan in football will be a game changer in these markets to propel the B1G channel to places the ACC channel could never get too. Daleny wont be able to promise this, he'll only be able to pitch the potential.
 
Fishy said:
There might be an issue there, too. For starters, the rights to ACC hoop and football are gone - ESPN has them. If you're going to see them online, it will be on ESPN3. Beyond that, most programs have individual deals for what they refer to as their multi-media rights.

e.g. UConn receives $8M for their MM rights from IMG. I think UNC gets $9.5, most ACC schools receive far less. (NC State only gets $4.5m).

Again, the problem there is that the current rights - from Tier 1 to Tier 3, right down to the right to stream game audio over the 'net, are already sold and would have to be recaptured. (Even if they weren't, the subscription model would produce peanuts and likely operate at a loss.)

Happily, the ACC is in a box.
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What happens if the league dissolves? Then ESPN has no content and isn’t that why the ACC does have some power here to renegotiate?
 
It wouldn't dissolve - there would still be a league there in some fashion.

And the majority of the escapees would likely land in other conferences with ESPN agreements. (Big 12, SEC.)
 
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Fishy said:
It wouldn't dissolve - there would still be a league there in some fashion.

And the majority of the escapees would likely land in other conferences with ESPN agreements. (Big 12, SEC.)
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It effectively dissolves if UNC, GT, UVA and Duke go B1G; Louisville, FSU, Miami and Clemson to B12 and NC State and VT to SEC.

That would leave just WF, Syr, Pitt & BC.

The more I think about it, the more I think CAR will take a two year break. B1G needs to prove that its channel will produce the $$ in new markets. How can UNC, UVA, etc be assured they come out materially ahead. The roll out of the B1G channel in MD and NJ could have a meaningful impact on CAR.

PS - I have B1G in Fairfield County on FIOS. The channel is a total bore. If watch the golf and NHL channel more. While its full of B1G content, it has no sizzle. Its coverage is akin to CSPAN.
 
I think you're moving too many teams around - my guess is that the Big Ten and SEC stop at 16 and the Big 12 at 12.

The Big 12 seems particularly sensitive to maximizing their payouts and they do not have the upside of their own network or an expiring Tier 1 deal to count on to drive revenue - from a revenue perspective, a school like Louisville is essentially dead weight. Florida State isn't in a particularly impressive market, but Miami is and perhaps the two of them make an attractive pair. (Speculation.)

Another thing to keep in mind - the Big Ten's Tier 1 deal expires in the 2015/2016 season. The renewal will be massive.

Their Tier 2 rights are all BTN which assures carriage fees in any members' market. I agree that it's usually pretty dull, but so is ESPN until 7:00 pm - every sports' network is basically treading water until the games start. But look at Wednesday night...the BTN has their Super Wednesday of Minnesota at Michigan State at 7 and Iowa-Wisconsin at 9. Meaningless for us, but if we're in the Big Ten or fans of the Big Ten, we're watching.

No one has to stand back and wonder about the Big Ten's cash - Maryland has seen under the dress and it's real.
 
UCFBfan said:
I agree with this. When UConn went to SNY, everyone in CT demanded that SNY be added to their cable package. I believe it happened in time for the first UConn game. The same would happen if UConn went to the B1G. That's an entire state that the B1G would be able to add. Is CT a huge get? Not necessarily but there are UConn alums in RI, MA, and NY that would want the BTN as well. I don't know if BC moves the needle enough in Boston for folks to demand that BTN be added but there's history with the SNY move to show that CT would add the BTN in a heartbeat if UConn went to the B1G. Add them with RU and NYC would likely be move attainable.
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I would add that CT would also add a fair amount of New England as a whole, ME,NH,VT,RI and parts of western MA, there are a lot of husky fans in NE.
 
our favorite VER tweeted today that the B1G is ready to move now and the team is north of the Mason Dixon line.

BELIEVE! ALIVE! INTERNET RUMOR!!!
 
Kevin Caliendo said:
our favorite VER tweeted today that the B1G is ready to move now and the team is north of the Mason Dixon line.

BELIEVE! ALIVE! INTERNET RUMOR!!!
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UMass?
 
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Kevin Caliendo said:
our favorite VER tweeted today that the B1G is ready to move now and the team is north of the Mason Dixon line.

BELIEVE! ALIVE! INTERNET RUMOR!!!
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MHver3 ‏@MHver3
Rumor is the BiG is close to pulling the trigger on number 16. And it's north of the mason Dixon.

Yeah, okay...and who is the 15th team? UVA
 
Exit 4 said:
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Rumor is the BiG is close to pulling the trigger on number 16. And it's north of the mason Dixon.

Yeah, okay...and who is the 15th team? UVA
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Oh no!!! CCSU is getting an invite to the B1G :(
 
Kevin Caliendo said:
our favorite VER tweeted today that the B1G is ready to move now and the team is north of the Mason Dixon line.

BELIEVE! ALIVE! INTERNET RUMOR!!!
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I'm going on record to say we are going to the B1G. I have no inside information. Too many stars in alignment. I'm ready, too... B1G network already on my directv. If I'm wrong, come the first game, stop by my tailgate and collect a beer from me.

Edit: I don't want to hear from Fishy. I dismiss your inside knowledge and insert my rampant speculation as truth.
 
Edit: I don't want to hear from Fishy. I dismiss your inside knowledge and insert my rampant speculation as truth.[/quote]


I don't see anyone with inside knowledge on this board! I didn't read about Cuse and Pitt here before it happened and I seemed to miss the Md and Rutgers scoop too.....Other than my man HFD who pitches every possible scenario and is bound to be right no matter what, no one knows, it's all just speculation.
 
Jarhead_1775 said:
I'm going on record to say we are going to the B1G. I have no inside information. Too many stars in alignment. I'm ready, too... B1G network already on my directv. If I'm wrong, come the first game, stop by my tailgate and collect a beer from me.

Edit: I don't want to hear from Fishy. I dismiss your inside knowledge and insert my rampant speculation as truth.
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Which game qualifies as the first game? Want. to make sure I get my beer just in case.
 
WallStreetHusky said:
Edit: I don't want to hear from Fishy. I dismiss your inside knowledge and insert my rampant speculation as truth.
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I don't see anyone with inside knowledge on this board! I didn't read about Cuse and Pitt here before it happened and I seemed to miss the Md and Rutgers scoop too.....Other than my man HFD who pitches every possible scenario and is bound to be right no matter what, no one knows, it's all just speculation.[/quote]

unlv to the sec
 
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UNLV to any conference makes sense.

All their home games should be on Saturdays at about 8 pm.
 
whaler11 said:
Which game qualifies as the first game? Want. to make sure I get my beer just in case.
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If the B1G is set on going to 16 and can somehow wrestle free Virginia, but the rest of the ACC stays intact, doesn't it come down to UConn or BC?

Obviously, I'm biased, but I don't see how UConn doesn't beat out BC in a head to head competition involving B1G/B1G Network.

-B1G Network could name their price for B1G Network in CT - that's a given. I don't think you can say the same in Mass.
-B1G Network I THINK could gain more coverage throughout the rest of New England and charge higher subscriber fees than if you had BC and tried to get B1G Network in CT.
-Most importantly, UConn, combined with Rutgers and the B1G giants like Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State is going to created a high demand in NYC DMA.

The only reason to add BC is the presumed value ND has with their BC relationship. I just don't buy it though. ND could play BC OOC every year if they want to. I also don't believe ND will ever join a conference. Even if the ACC gets raided beyond belief, ND could still play hoops with the ACC remnants or C7. Barring a playoff change that says you have to win a Big 4 conference to play for a title, ND just isn't joining a conference.
 
Well the ACC isn't taking Virginia without another team in tow. If they can't get anyone other than UConn or BC they aren't taking Virginia.

On a side note we heard the noise when UConn went from CPTV to SNY so name your price is strong.

I was being more literal though. When would be the first game when UConn isn't in the Big 10? If they go to 16 people here will say 18 or 20 is coming - so when could you officially collect the beer for them not joining?
 
whaler11 said:
Well the ACC isn't taking Virginia without another team in tow. If they can't get anyone other than UConn or BC they aren't taking Virginia.

On a side note we heard the noise when UConn went from CPTV to SNY so name your price is strong.

I was being more literal though. When would be the first game when UConn isn't in the Big 10? If they go to 16 people here will say 18 or 20 is coming - so when could you officially collect the beer for them not joining?
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Damn you saw right through me! First game of 13/14 season. Not including spring game.
 
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