South Carolina Transfers

[SCspur]

Direct posts made by you and another Gamecock fan last offseason. Part 1 attached.

Boy you went back far

There are also posts of of me saying I thought we would be preseason #2 in the SEC and when I made that comment it was way before the season had started. After the 5-4 start I changed my viewpoint as would anyone. But if your trying to argue SC not being a better team next year then this prior one then I definitely disagree with you.

 

[SimpleDawg]

After the 5-4 start I changed my viewpoint as would anyone.

How convenient.

But if your trying to argue SC not being a better team next year then this prior one then I definitely disagree with you.

You'll say that every year. Despite your love affair with your players always reasoning the ones you have "do this better than Vic's" "are better PGs/SGs - with more skill than who we have" or "Mississippi State has no advantages anymore." Or it's the "SC has a more talented group of new players" (all of whom we haven't even seen yet)

I wonder if 2020-2021 you'll finally admit Vic will have a hell-bent team featuring 0 senior losses and a roster full of studs - with a superteam in the making.


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[bballnut90]

Boy you went back far

There are also posts of of me saying I thought we would be preseason #2 in the SEC and when I made that comment it was way before the season had started. After the 5-4 start I changed my viewpoint as would anyone. But if your trying to argue SC not being a better team next year then this prior one then I definitely disagree with you.

Just backing up my point, took 5 minutes to find.

And I do think SC very well could be better next year but them/Tennessee/Mississippi State all will look drastically different either in player makeup or coaching staff so it is harder to project each team.

And btw, who did you have ranked ahead of South Carolina as preseason #1? Cause it definitely wasnt Mississippi State.

 

[SCspur]

How convenient.



You'll say that every year. Despite your love affair with your players always reasoning the ones you have "do this better than Vic's" "are better PGs/SGs - with more skill than who we have" or "Mississippi State has no advantages anymore." Or it's the "SC has a more talented group of new players" (all of whom we haven't even seen yet)

I wonder if 2020-2021 you'll finally admit Vic will have a hell-bent team featuring 0 senior losses and a roster full of studs - with a superteam in the making.


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Woah buddy seems I’ve struck a nerve....

We all have our own opinions on how both teams will look next year. You think you’ll will be better, I don’t and so be it. We’ll have to wait until the season to see who’s truly better.

......But in the mean time let’s talk about this “super team”

 

[SCspur]

Just backing up my point, took 5 minutes to find.

And I do think SC very well could be better next year but them/Tennessee/Mississippi State all will look drastically different either in player makeup or coaching staff so it is harder to project each team.

And btw, who did you have ranked ahead of South Carolina as preseason #1? Cause it definitely wasnt Mississippi State.

Different isn’t always bad and since the season has ended I’ve never said o thought Miss St would be bad. I stated several times that I expected them to be in the top 3 in the SEC. some may feel they’ll be better than SC and that’s fine because everyone is entitled to an opinion. But I definitely stand firm in mines saying SC & AM will be the best two teams in the SEC next year.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Woah buddy seems I’ve struck a nerve....

We all have our own opinions on how both teams will look next year. You think you’ll will be better, I don’t and so be it. We’ll have to wait until the season to see who’s truly better.

.But in the mean time let’s talk about this “super team”

I'm just commenting on the redundancy in your posts, and the inaccuracy of your predictions. And how your predictions always favor SC over Mississippi State in all years.

Btw, I don't think we'll be better. It's anyone's guess, and it's really hard to say. I still don't understand how you figured SC would've been better last year, and how they're gonna be better next year. Did you think SC in the final year of Wilson was gonna be better than Vic's McCowan-Vivians-Morgan-Roshunda-Blair team?

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[bballnut90]

Different isn’t always bad and since the season has ended I’ve never said o thought Miss St would be bad. I stated several times that I expected them to be in the top 3 in the SEC. some may feel they’ll be better than SC and that’s fine because everyone is entitled to an opinion. But I definitely stand firm in mines saying SC & AM will be the best two teams in the SEC next year.

I meant who did you have ranked ahead of SC going into the 2018-19 season? Not this past season.

 

[SCspur]

I'm just commenting on the redundancy in your posts, and the inaccuracy of your predictions. And how your predictions always favor SC over Mississippi State in all years.

Btw, I don't think we'll be better. It's anyone's guess, and it's really hard to say. I still don't understand how you figured SC would've been better last year, and how they're gonna be better next year. Did you think SC in the final year of Wilson was gonna be better than Vic's McCowan-Vivians-Morgan-Roshunda-Blair team?

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Why would my posts favor another team that considers mine a rival? How does that make sense? Anyway rather you want to admit it or not you feel Miss St will be better than SC next year, and it’s ok as you have every reason to believe that. The only thing that matters is next year. I’m still trying to figure out the Super team Vic is building....

 

[SCspur]

I meant who did you have ranked ahead of SC going into the 2018-19 season? Not this past season.

Two posts ago I stated my reasons why I thought SC would have been the better team going into the season until after the 5-4 start hence why I said what I said previously.

 

[bballnut90]

There are also posts of of me saying I thought we would be preseason #2 in the SEC and when I made that comment it was way before the season had started.

This is what I'm referring to. You say you made postal before this season predicting SC would be the preseason #2 team in the SEC, so who did you think was ahead of them at #1?

 

[SCGamecock]

Direct posts made by you and another Gamecock fan last offseason. Part 1 attached.

Lol. Yikes.

 

[SCspur]

This is what I'm referring to. You say you made postal before this season predicting SC would be the preseason #2 team in the SEC, so who did you think was ahead of them at #1?

I never stayed SC to be behind anyone until the rough start after that point I figured Miss St was #1 in the SEC

 

[SimpleDawg]

Why would my posts favor another team that considers mine a rival? How does that make sense? Anyway rather you want to admit it or not you feel Miss St will be better than SC next year, and it’s ok as you have every reason to believe that. The only thing that matters is next year. I’m still trying to figure out the Super team Vic is building....

Ok, so it's just South Carolina fanboyism? I just assumed every user on this site could subside from their impassioned zeal at times. No harm or anything, but that's just where I was thinking.

No, actually. I think SC has a dangerous set of freshmen. They'll rely on their freshman more than State will, but they're still dangerous and even I realize the potential threat to the SEC that they pose even in year one. But I think in terms of returning players...... State has Scott/AEH/Bibby that I personally think has a 3 to 2 advantage numerically over SC's best 2 players.... Harris/Harrigan. As far as "potential" players..... I think this is the one that's hard to decide. Taylor/Wiggins/Carter vs Grissett/Henderson/Saxton. One could reason either way with that.

In terms of "new" players, SC has Amihere/Boston/Beal/Cooke vs Jackson/Hemingway/Matharu/Martinez/Young/Taylor/Morris....... and potentially Cooks (for 2020)/Moore? I don't know which side will pan out better, this again is hard to say even though I do believe Dawn will put her new players out in the ring earlier than Vic will.

I just think our 2020-2021 team year 2 under Vic Schaefer's new regime and with Scott/AEH/Bibby in their final year is so loaded we can afford 1/3 of our team to be busts and still have championship pedigree. I do, however think, that in 2020-2021 South Carolina will be ranked in the preseason top 5. The other culprits will likely be Stanford/Baylor/State/Louisville. Again, this is just a preliminary prediction, but I'm guessing something like that, and I think SC will be hyped up as much as we will be in 2020-2021.

Make no mistake, I have SC ranked #10 for preseason next year, State at #9. Almost negligible difference between the two. Margin is too slim to really fuss over. It's a safe bet to assume it's State/SC again fighting for #1 and #2 in the conference again.

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[bballnut90]

I never stayed SC to be behind anyone until the rough start after that point I figured Miss St was #1 in the SEC

So you're saying you thought before the season that SC would be #1 in the SEC preseason? This directly contradicts what you just posted a few hours ago.

Exactly! Everyone thought we were going to take steps back including Gamecock fans.

 

[SCspur]

So you're saying you thought before the season that SC would be #1 in the SEC preseason? This directly contradicts what you just posted a few hours ago.

The initial post may contradict it but I stilll felt SC would have been the better team rather it was a step back or not. I didn’t expect Danberry and Holmes to step up the way they did especially after combining for just 10 ppg the year before. Rather I felt that way or not had nothing to do with the coming season and why I feel like SC will be a better team. If you feel Miss St will be a better team so be it we’ll just have to agree to disagree but there is no use in talking about a season that’s over.

 

[bballnut90]

Ok, so it's just South Carolina fanboyism? I just assumed every user on this site could subside from their impassioned zeal at times. No harm or anything, but that's just where I was thinking.

No, actually. I think SC has a dangerous set of freshmen. They'll rely on their freshman more than State will, but they're still dangerous and even I realize the potential threat to the SEC that they pose even in year one. But I think in terms of returning players. State has Scott/AEH/Bibby that I personally think has a 3 to 2 advantage numerically over SC's best 2 players.... Harris/Harrigan. As far as "potential" players..... I think this is the one that's hard to decide. Taylor/Wiggins/Carter vs Grissett/Henderson/Saxton. One could reason either way with that.

In terms of "new" players, SC has Amihere/Boston/Beal/Cooke vs Jackson/Hemingway/Matharu/Martinez/Young/Taylor/Morris.. and potentially Cooks (for 2020)/Moore? I don't know which side will pan out better, this again is hard to say even though I do believe Dawn will put her new players out in the ring earlier than Vic will.

I just think our 2020-2021 team year 2 under Vic Schaefer's new regime and with Scott/AEH/Bibby in their final year is so loaded we can afford 1/3 of our team to be busts and still have championship pedigree. I do, however think, that in 2020-2021 South Carolina will be ranked in the preseason top 5. The other culprits will likely be Stanford/Baylor/State/Louisville. Again, this is just a preliminary prediction, but I'm guessing something like that, and I think SC will be hyped up as much as we will be in 2020-2021.

Make no mistake, I have SC ranked #10 for preseason next year, State at #9. Almost negligible difference between the two. Margin is too slim to really fuss over. It's a safe bet to assume it's State/SC again fighting for #1 and #2 in the conference again.

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Not to get too off topic, but in 2020-2021 UCONN will have three number 1 recruits in the starting 5 along with upperclassman ONO and potentially Evina Westbrook if she transfers. They're fully in the mix. Oregon will also be very good with both Sabally sisters, Boley and potentially Westbrook. I'm also high on freshman Chavez who will be an upperclassman. Oregon State will be great too, and Maryland will be strong. Should be some massive battles if the 2017 and 2018 HS classes develop well.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Not to get too off topic, but in 2020-2021 UCONN will have three number 1 recruits in the starting 5 along with upperclassman ONO and potentially Evina Westbrook if she transfers. They're fully in the mix. Oregon will also be very good with both Sabally sisters, Boley and potentially Westbrook. I'm also high on freshman Chavez who will be an upperclassman. Oregon State will be great too, and Maryland will be strong. Should be some massive battles if the 2017 and 2018 HS classes develop well.

Ionescu and Hebard are gone after 2019-2020. I don't think there's a chance Oregon will be ranked in any preseason top 5 in 2020-2021 unless they win the championship - that may tilt the pendulum slightly. But even then, a team that loses nobody like Mississippi State is probably gonna be higher regardless.

UConn is up there. Like I said, it's preliminary predictions. Who are the 3 #1 recruits? I'm just asking because I'm not sure who you're referring to... I don't really know UConn stuff as well as their fans. Bueckers... and? Well... potentially Westbrook, but Westbrook can't go to both Oregon and UConn - but if she chooses UConn, I agree UConn should be in the top 5.

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[bballnut90]

The initial post may contradict it but I stilll felt SC would have been the better team rather it was a step back or not. I didn’t expect Danberry and Holmes to step up the way they did especially after combining for just 10 ppg the year before. Rather I felt that way or not had nothing to do with the coming season and why I feel like SC will be a better team. If you feel Miss St will be a better team so be it we’ll just have to agree to disagree but there is no use in talking about a season that’s over.

Right...but you and another SC fan were discrediting a statement I made that was in fact true, so I'm holding you accountable for that and backing up my point.

And like I said, I dont think Mississippi State is necessarily going to be better or worse than SC this upcoming year. Too many unknowns and variables to predict that IMO. SC looks better on paper with Harris and MHH back, but MSU was the better team this year so I'm not sure the gap has closed to the point that SC surpasses MSU. Time will tell. Any of Kentucky, A&M, MSU, UT, and SC are all potential SEC title contenders depending on how the season shakes out. The conference feels much more up in the air compared to previous seasons due to players graduating and new faces coming in.

 

[bballnut90]

Ionescu and Hebard are gone after 2019-2020. I don't think there's a chance Oregon will be ranked in any preseason top 5 in 2020-2021 unless they win the championship - that may tilt the pendulum slightly. But even then, a team that loses nobody like Mississippi State is probably gonna be higher regardless.

UConn is up there. Like I said, it's preliminary predictions. Who are the 3 #1 recruits? I'm just asking because I'm not sure who you're referring to... I don't really know UConn stuff as well as their fans. Bueckers... and? Well... potentially Westbrook, but Westbrook can't go to both Oregon and UConn - but if she chooses UConn, I agree UConn should be in the top 5.

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Oregon will have a big POY threat in Satou Sabally, a top notch 3pt shooter in Boley and the younger Sabally who is supposed to be a stud. They're also said to be in the mix for Westbrook. A lineup built around those 3 along with Graves coaching is a strong Final Four threat IMO.

Megan Walker was a #1 recruit in 2017, Christyn Williams in 2018, Bueckers in 2020. Westbrook was #2 in 2017, ONO #5 in 2018. By far the most top heavy roster going into 2020-21 when looking at recruiting rankings, but it doesnt always pan out.

This past season UCONN had 3 number one recruits, a #3 recruit, a #5 and a #6 recruit and wasnt able to win it all or dominate like they had in previous years. On paper they're going to be great, but how players develop/mesh remains to be seen.

 

[SCspur]

Ok, so it's just South Carolina fanboyism? I just assumed every user on this site could subside from their impassioned zeal at times. No harm or anything, but that's just where I was thinking.

No, actually. I think SC has a dangerous set of freshmen. They'll rely on their freshman more than State will, but they're still dangerous and even I realize the potential threat to the SEC that they pose even in year one. But I think in terms of returning players. State has Scott/AEH/Bibby that I personally think has a 3 to 2 advantage numerically over SC's best 2 players.... Harris/Harrigan. As far as "potential" players..... I think this is the one that's hard to decide. Taylor/Wiggins/Carter vs Grissett/Henderson/Saxton. One could reason either way with that.

In terms of "new" players, SC has Amihere/Boston/Beal/Cooke vs Jackson/Hemingway/Matharu/Martinez/Young/Taylor/Morris.. and potentially Cooks (for 2020)/Moore? I don't know which side will pan out better, this again is hard to say even though I do believe Dawn will put her new players out in the ring earlier than Vic will.

I just think our 2020-2021 team year 2 under Vic Schaefer's new regime and with Scott/AEH/Bibby in their final year is so loaded we can afford 1/3 of our team to be busts and still have championship pedigree. I do, however think, that in 2020-2021 South Carolina will be ranked in the preseason top 5. The other culprits will likely be Stanford/Baylor/State/Louisville. Again, this is just a preliminary prediction, but I'm guessing something like that, and I think SC will be hyped up as much as we will be in 2020-2021.

Make no mistake, I have SC ranked #10 for preseason next year, State at #9. Almost negligible difference between the two. Margin is too slim to really fuss over. It's a safe bet to assume it's State/SC again fighting for #1 and #2 in the conference again.

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I guess you can say that although I would say I had good reasoning behind what I said.

SC has Wesolek who will also get more minutes this year as well as Olivia Thompson coming in with the freshman class. Also Grissett is a veteran. She’s been on the squad for two years. Bibby is coming off an injury. It’ll take time for her to get to where she was before it. As far as the freshman and potential impact players we won’t know until the season starts. But one thing I am certain of is HH and Harris being able to lead a team to a championship. They’ve played a role in many in their time at SC.

 

[SCspur]

Right...but you and another SC fan were discrediting a statement I made that was in fact true, so I'm holding you accountable for that and backing up my point.

And like I said, I dont think Mississippi State is necessarily going to be better or worse than SC this upcoming year. Too many unknowns and variables to predict that IMO. SC looks better on paper with Harris and MHH back, but MSU was the better team this year so I'm not sure the gap has closed to the point that SC surpasses MSU. Time will tell. Any of Kentucky, A&M, MSU, UT, and SC are all potential SEC title contenders depending on how the season shakes out. The conference feels much more up in the air compared to previous seasons due to players graduating and new faces coming in.

Will UT be better than Mizzou, Georgia and Arkansas? I know your a LV fan but I want your opinion.

 

[SCspur]

Ionescu and Hebard are gone after 2019-2020. I don't think there's a chance Oregon will be ranked in any preseason top 5 in 2020-2021 unless they win the championship - that may tilt the pendulum slightly. But even then, a team that loses nobody like Mississippi State is probably gonna be higher regardless.

UConn is up there. Like I said, it's preliminary predictions. Who are the 3 #1 recruits? I'm just asking because I'm not sure who you're referring to... I don't really know UConn stuff as well as their fans. Bueckers... and? Well... potentially Westbrook, but Westbrook can't go to both Oregon and UConn - but if she chooses UConn, I agree UConn should be in the top 5.

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I think they could still be top 5 if Chavez and Baby Sabally pans out. A lot will depend on how Boley expands and their 2020 class finishes.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Oregon will have a big POY threat in Satou Sabally, a top notch 3pt shooter in Boley and the younger Sabally who is supposed to be a stud. They're also said to be in the mix for Westbrook. A lineup built around those 3 along with Graves coaching is a strong Final Four threat IMO.

Megan Walker was a #1 recruit in 2017, Christyn Williams in 2018, Bueckers in 2020. Westbrook was #2 in 2017, ONO #5 in 2018. By far the most top heavy roster going into 2020-21 when looking at recruiting rankings, but it doesnt always pan out.

This past season UCONN had 3 number one recruits, a #3 recruit, a #5 and a #6 recruit and wasnt able to win it all or dominate like they had in previous years. On paper they're going to be great, but how players develop/mesh remains to be seen.

I think Graves still needs to load his roster up a little. This year he had 9 players. Next few years he'll have more, and already has a couple of high recruits but still..,. I think depth was an issue last year and should be addressed in this offseason. While Sabally will be a POY candidate, every other top 5 team will have one and they might not be able to overcome a more loaded team. Will they be a Final Four threat? Sure, but I don't think they'll be ranked in the preseason top 5. I'm just speaking in that context. When you have Louisville, UConn, Mississippi State, South Carolina, and Baylor..... there's 5 teams already with potentially a better looking 2020-2021 team heading into the season. Not to say Oregon can't threaten to put a dent to them though once it's all said and done though.


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[bballnut90]

I think Graves still needs to load his roster up a little. This year he had 9 players. Next few years he'll have more, and already has a couple of high recruits but still..,. I think depth was an issue last year and should be addressed in this offseason. While Sabally will be a POY candidate, every other top 5 team will have one and they might not be able to overcome a more loaded team. Will they be a Final Four threat? Sure, but I don't think they'll be ranked in the preseason top 5. I'm just speaking in that context. When you have Louisville, UConn, Mississippi State, South Carolina, and Baylor..... there's 5 teams already with potentially a better looking 2020-2021 team heading into the season. Not to say Oregon can't threaten to put a dent to them though once it's all said and done though.


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How do you figure Louisville looks better than Oregon? Sabally looks like the clear #1 draft pick on 2021 and Graves has other good players on the roster who will be experienced. Oregon is legit and well coached.

Mississippi State and SC need to prove a lot this year to be included in that grouping IMO. Both squads look good on paper but their incoming players will have to mesh, develop, and be as good as advertised.

 

[bballnut90]

Will UT be better than Mizzou, Georgia and Arkansas? I know your a LV fan but I want your opinion.

No idea. Could be a top 10 team if Horston is the real deal and players do a 180 with better coaching. If players dont improve, it could be another tough year in Knoxville. The talent is there, but can KJH get the results? Time will tell.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Right...but you and another SC fan were discrediting a statement I made that was in fact true, so I'm holding you accountable for that and backing up my point.

And like I said, I dont think Mississippi State is necessarily going to be better or worse than SC this upcoming year. Too many unknowns and variables to predict that IMO. SC looks better on paper with Harris and MHH back, but MSU was the better team this year so I'm not sure the gap has closed to the point that SC surpasses MSU. Time will tell. Any of Kentucky, A&M, MSU, UT, and SC are all potential SEC title contenders depending on how the season shakes out. The conference feels much more up in the air compared to previous seasons due to players graduating and new faces coming in.

Well you were insinuating that I had said that South Carolina was the favorite in the SEC last year and I'm pretty sure I never said that.

I was asking who had said that.

In general, I'm somewhat confused why Vic going to the Elite 8 with McCowans, Howard, and a host of seniors, is better than Staley going to the Elite 8 with Wilson after losing Davis, Gray, Coates and Cuevas-Moore (injury). That's only returning 2 of your top 6.

National Titles Staley 1 Vic 0
Final Fours Staley 2 Vic 2
Elite Eights Staley 3 Vic 3
Sweet 16s Staley 7 Vic 4

SEC Titles Staley 4 Vic 2
SECT Titles Staley 4 Vic 1

Head to Head Staley 11 Vic 3 (Vic has won 3/4, all with the more talented team)

I get that you think Vic hung the moon because he's your dude. He's good. But he's quite literally done nothing that Staley hasn't.

South Carolina was equally bad if not worse than Miss State when Staley took over.

South Carolina has played world class schedules every year Staley has been able to do it and with the exception of UConn has competed with them all. I guess that is the one thing Vic has done. Beat UConn post Stewie at the buzzer that one time. I do appreciate that one since it made our title a foregone conclusion.

I think it's odd that you think that Miss State is going to be stacked in the future, I guess based on players you have never seen on the floor, but South Carolina's future is uncertain because the players coming in are unproven. Cool. I agree. South Carolina's ceiling is unknown for the future. It may or may not reach a championship level. Not sure why you think Miss State is a sure thing in comparison, but whatever.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

No idea. Could be a top 10 team if Horston is the real deal and players do a 180 with better coaching. If players dont improve, it could be another tough year in Knoxville. The talent is there, but can KJH get the results? Time will tell.

Horston is a favorite of mine, but not sure she can immediately replace Westbrook. Then again, not sure she needs to.

Tennessee would make a major improvement if they just had a little more cohesion and improvement from returners.

I think I'd guess they will be a bit better and I certainly think that puts them at or above Georgia, Missouri, Arkansas.

Wish this thread would be merged with the SEC discussion thread.

 

[bballnut90]

Well you were insinuating that I had said that South Carolina was the favorite in the SEC last year and I'm pretty sure I never said that.

I was asking who had said that.

In general, I'm somewhat confused why Vic going to the Elite 8 with McCowans, Howard, and a host of seniors, is better than Staley going to the Elite 8 with Wilson after losing Davis, Gray, Coates and Cuevas-Moore (injury). That's only returning 2 of your top 6.

National Titles Staley 1 Vic 0
Final Fours Staley 2 Vic 2
Elite Eights Staley 3 Vic 3
Sweet 16s Staley 7 Vic 4

SEC Titles Staley 4 Vic 2
SECT Titles Staley 4 Vic 1

Head to Head Staley 11 Vic 3 (Vic has won 3/4, all with the more talented team)

I get that you think Vic hung the moon because he's your dude. He's good. But he's quite literally done nothing that Staley hasn't.

South Carolina was equally bad if not worse than Miss State when Staley took over.

South Carolina has played world class schedules every year Staley has been able to do it and with the exception of UConn has competed with them all. I guess that is the one thing Vic has done. Beat UConn post Stewie at the buzzer that one time. I do appreciate that one since it made our title a foregone conclusion.

I think it's odd that you think that Miss State is going to be stacked in the future, I guess based on players you have never seen on the floor, but South Carolina's future is uncertain because the players coming in are unproven. Cool. I agree. South Carolina's ceiling is unknown for the future. It may or may not reach a championship level. Not sure why you think Miss State is a sure thing in comparison, but whatever.

I never insinuated that you said that, just that Gamecock fans had and then provided evidence to back it up.

And good job cherry picking information to back up your case regarding 2019 MSU vs 2018 SC. MSU only returned 1 of their top 5 (which statistically is fewer than 2 of your top 6), finished 33-3, was a #1 seed, dominated the SEC and came within 4 points of a Final Four playing in a hostile road environment. South Carolina finished 29-7, 2nd in SEC play, won the SEC tourney and lost in a hostile road environment by 29 in the Elite 8. Not all Elite 8 finishes are created equal.

You also forgot to mention Staley has coached 4 years longer at SC than Vic has at MSU, and Vic has 2 title game appearances to Staley's 1.

And when did I ever say Mississippi State was going to be stacked but SC unproven? In the post you directly replied to, I stated that the entire SEC is an unknown entity at this point due to top teams looking extremely different. In another post I said Mississippi State AND South Carolina project well headed into 20-21. Please dont put words in my mouth or at least find the quote where I've said this and call me out.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

And good job cherry picking information to back up your case regarding 2019 MSU vs 2018 SC. MSU only returned 1 of their top 5 (which statistically is fewer than 2 of your top 6), finished 33-3, was a #1 seed, dominated the SEC and came within 4 points of a Final Four playing in a hostile road environment. South Carolina finished 29-7, 2nd in SEC play, won the SEC tourney and lost in a hostile road environment by 29 in the Elite 8. Not all Elite 8 finishes are created equal.

You also forgot to mention Staley has coached 4 years longer at SC than Vic has at MSU, and Vic has 2 title game appearances to Staley's 1.

And when did I ever say Mississippi State was going to be stacked but SC unproven? In the post you directly replied to, I stated that the entire SEC is an unknown entity at this point due to top teams looking extremely different. In another post I said Mississippi State AND South Carolina project well headed into 20-21. Please dont put words in my mouth or at least find the quote where I've said this and call me out.

You are right. It was SimpleDawg that made that point. My apologies.

As we all know, the most important stats in judging coaches is margin of defeat in comparative Elite 8 games, and Championship Game .... appearances. : )

I personally think it's pretty clear that 2019 Miss State had a more talented squad than 2018 South Carolina even with A'ja Wilson being the far superior centerpiece. South Carolina was also without Wilson in two of the 2018 losses, but anyways.

this is some pretty trifling stuff we're arguing about at this point.

 

[eebmg]

I wish we could argue about our conference.