Some Guy: UConn close to signing Hurley

[UCDaveD]

Umm there isn’t anything angry about that post. I admitted I am pulling for Ollie somewhat in the dispute.

Thoughts and prayers. You are a lost cause.

I guess I was proven wrong in that I didn’t think people were stupid enough to cheer on their end around while ignoring they created the situation.

I promise I’ll never underestimate your stupidity again.

Sorry not everyone has a room temp IQ. Feel free to apply your stupid rules elsewhere.

Oh good another mouth breather who wants to celebrate their ignorance.

It’s a country moran jamboroo.

You are the stupidest person here. Quite an honor.

You are the definition of mad on the internet.

 

[Huskybass]

You are the definition of mad on the internet.

32,000 posts on an internet message board might be a bit telling as well.

 

[whaler11]

You are the definition of mad on the internet.

Mocking =/= mad. Most of the replies I get make me laugh since 90% of it is attacking me or designing strawmen.

Like when I called to drop every program that isn’t profitable - nailed it!

 

[Guapo]

Motion to not let this all time great thread be ruined by bickering

 

[TRest]

Good news. Here's hoping it's so they can work out a deal beforehand and avoid the hearing altogether.

They are hoping to drag it out to the opening day of KO's golf course, maybe he'll lose interest in attending any hearings.

 

[8893]

I do find myself rooting for KO because I don’t want them to be rewarded for their lame end around and avoid responsibility.

They are corrupt and incompetent - y’all will slowly realize it just like y’all did on Diaco and Ollie.

Herbst tied herself to him a few years ago and now he’s the scapegoat.

I'll admit that I find myself somewhat torn, in that I want what's best for the school and the basketball program, but I don't want to see Ollie get screwed. But I also love having the good yet underestimated and unpopular side of a legal argument, and for many of the reasons on which you and I probably agree, I think that's where Ollie is.

I'm also torn in the sense that I think that there was a lot of what Ollie had to deal with that was a much, much different world than the one in which Calhoun had played for the preceding decades, most of which was out of Ollie's control; but I am upset with Ollie, too, for doing so poorly on the things he could control for the past two seasons.

You and I both know that poor performance/results is what brought us to where we are now, but they are using the NCAA stuff as the reason for the termination in hopes of avoiding paying him what the contract would have required if they simply wanted to make the change based on performance.

 

[Mano]

I’m just happy to see UConn written properly.

Post/um...handle?

 

[HuskyNan]

I'm sure. But the effort required depends on your own tolerance. If you are a germ-o-phobe, you can't complain about cleaning all the time. Tolerate some germs and life becomes manageable. That board doesn't have to be all rainbows and unicorns. It doesn't have to be filled with nothing but "good fans" and "good sports". I mean, Jesus, accept that there are different strokes and manage the manageable.

You aren’t going to let it go, huh?

There’s a reason it’s rainbows and unicorns there. The majority of fans are over 60 (well over 60 - see the census) and they basically see the players as surrogate granddaughters. They may not know a lot about basketball and they don’t know a zone from a hand check but they love “our girls”. Many people on the women’s board are ailing physically, many are bedridden or hospitalized, and they find watching the women’s team to be fun and joyful. Until they get to the Boneyard and read how badly the team played in its 30 point road win, that is.

There’s an older gentlemen who emails me when he goes back into the hospital, which has been more recent lately. He’s lonely and scared but watching the women’s team makes him happy for a while. He was very upset in a recent email, asking why people are so hard on the players. I get that a lot when lurkers talk to me at games, too. They’re afraid to post because some posters really need to let these lurkers know they’re idiots or that they don’t know anything about the game. Most of the know it alls have drifted over from the men’s board, including you and @Tenspro2002 , and that seems to have increased this season. Most roll their eyes at the women’s board culture, I’m aware, but they manage to post just fine without scaring some 70 year old back into lurking. Some just carry on like they’re on the men’s board.

The men’s board is a chat room to discuss basketball; the women’s board has a large community of people hanging out with others like them. You may have noticed threads where these guys talk about seeing Red Auerbach play or their WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Nam war time memories. These guys want the community and friendships, not a hardcore analysis of why Stevens’ defense is bad. They don’t wail and moan if UConn doesn’t cover the point spread (and wasn’t that a fun thread?) and they don’t need perfection.

Sure, there are 30-40 or so guys that want to just talk basketball but it’s a tiny minority of the board. You guys that want to bring the men’s board culture into the women’s board - it isn’t going to work. You’re always going to get pushback and I’m always going to protect my frail constituency. I know I’ll get the mocking and blah blah blah but, whatever. You wanted an answer and now you’ve got one.

 

[Paesano]

I do find myself rooting for KO because I don’t want them to be rewarded for their lame end around and avoid responsibility.

They are corrupt and incompetent - y’all will slowly realize it just like y’all did on Diaco and Ollie.

Herbst tied herself to him a few years ago and now he’s the scapegoat.

That's a cute narrative. Unfortunately Ollie shouldn't be rewarded for not doing his job. Both sides are at fault. They should meet in the middle. If you are hoping for Ollie to get his full buyout you are clueless and not a fan of the program.

 

[the Q]

You aren’t going to let it go, huh?

There’s a reason it’s rainbows and unicorns there. The majority of fans are over 60 (well over 60 - see the census) and they basically see the players as surrogate granddaughters. They may not know a lot about basketball and they don’t know a zone from a hand check but they love “our girls”. Many people on the women’s board are ailing physically, many are bedridden or hospitalized, and they find watching the women’s team to be fun and joyful. Until they get to the Boneyard and read how badly the team played in its 30 point road win, that is.

There’s an older gentlemen who emails me when he goes back into the hospital, which has been more recent lately. He’s lonely and scared but watching the women’s team makes him happy for a while. He was very upset in a recent email, asking why people are so hard on the players. I get that a lot when lurkers talk to me at games, too. They’re afraid to post because some posters really need to let these lurkers know they’re idiots or that they don’t know anything about the game. Most of the know it alls have drifted over from the men’s board, including you and @Tenspro2002 , and that seems to have increased this season. Most roll their eyes at the women’s board culture, I’m aware, but they manage to post just fine without scaring some 70 year old back into lurking. Some just carry on like they’re on the men’s board.

The men’s board is a chat room to discuss basketball; the women’s board has a large community of people hanging out with others like them. You may have noticed threads where these guys talk about seeing Red Auerbach play or their WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Nam war time memories. These guys want the community and friendships, not a hardcore analysis of why Stevens’ defense is bad. They don’t wail and moan if UConn doesn’t cover the point spread (and wasn’t that a fun thread?) and they don’t need perfection.

Sure, there are 30-40 or so guys that want to just talk basketball but it’s a tiny minority of the board. You guys that want to bring the men’s board culture into the women’s board - it isn’t going to work. You’re always going to get pushback and I’m always going to protect my frail constituency. I know I’ll get the mocking and blah blah blah but, whatever. You wanted an answer and now you’ve got one.

Seriously not being dick.

Thanks for this. Puts things in a lot better context.

Maybe copy and paste this (or some less personal version of this) into a pinned post for the new people.

 

[8893]

You aren’t going to let it go, huh?

There’s a reason it’s rainbows and unicorns there. The majority of fans are over 60 (well over 60 - see the census) and they basically see the players as surrogate granddaughters. They may not know a lot about basketball and they don’t know a zone from a hand check but they love “our girls”. Many people on the women’s board are ailing physically, many are bedridden or hospitalized, and they find watching the women’s team to be fun and joyful. Until they get to the Boneyard and read how badly the team played in its 30 point road win, that is.

There’s an older gentlemen who emails me when he goes back into the hospital, which has been more recent lately. He’s lonely and scared but watching the women’s team makes him happy for a while. He was very upset in a recent email, asking why people are so hard on the players. I get that a lot when lurkers talk to me at games, too. They’re afraid to post because some posters really need to let these lurkers know they’re idiots or that they don’t know anything about the game. Most of the know it alls have drifted over from the men’s board, including you and @Tenspro2002 , and that seems to have increased this season. Most roll their eyes at the women’s board culture, I’m aware, but they manage to post just fine without scaring some 70 year old back into lurking. Some just carry on like they’re on the men’s board.

The men’s board is a chat room to discuss basketball; the women’s board has a large community of people hanging out with others like them. You may have noticed threads where these guys talk about seeing Red Auerbach play or their WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Nam war time memories. These guys want the community and friendships, not a hardcore analysis of why Stevens’ defense is bad. They don’t wail and moan if UConn doesn’t cover the point spread (and wasn’t that a fun thread?) and they don’t need perfection.

Sure, there are 30-40 or so guys that want to just talk basketball but it’s a tiny minority of the board. You guys that want to bring the men’s board culture into the women’s board - it isn’t going to work. You’re always going to get pushback and I’m always going to protect my frail constituency. I know I’ll get the mocking and blah blah blah but, whatever. You wanted an answer and now you’ve got one.

Great post. Thank you for your service to this board.

 

[Tenspro2002]

You aren’t going to let it go, huh?

There’s a reason it’s rainbows and unicorns there. The majority of fans are over 60 (well over 60 - see the census) and they basically see the players as surrogate granddaughters. They may not know a lot about basketball and they don’t know a zone from a hand check but they love “our girls”. Many people on the women’s board are ailing physically, many are bedridden or hospitalized, and they find watching the women’s team to be fun and joyful. Until they get to the Boneyard and read how badly the team played in its 30 point road win, that is.

There’s an older gentlemen who emails me when he goes back into the hospital, which has been more recent lately. He’s lonely and scared but watching the women’s team makes him happy for a while. He was very upset in a recent email, asking why people are so hard on the players. I get that a lot when lurkers talk to me at games, too. They’re afraid to post because some posters really need to let these lurkers know they’re idiots or that they don’t know anything about the game. Most of the know it alls have drifted over from the men’s board, including you and @Tenspro2002 , and that seems to have increased this season. Most roll their eyes at the women’s board culture, I’m aware, but they manage to post just fine without scaring some 70 year old back into lurking. Some just carry on like they’re on the men’s board.

The men’s board is a chat room to discuss basketball; the women’s board has a large community of people hanging out with others like them. You may have noticed threads where these guys talk about seeing Red Auerbach play or their WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Nam war time memories. These guys want the community and friendships, not a hardcore analysis of why Stevens’ defense is bad. They don’t wail and moan if UConn doesn’t cover the point spread (and wasn’t that a fun thread?) and they don’t need perfection.

Sure, there are 30-40 or so guys that want to just talk basketball but it’s a tiny minority of the board. You guys that want to bring the men’s board culture into the women’s board - it isn’t going to work. You’re always going to get pushback and I’m always going to protect my frail constituency. I know I’ll get the mocking and blah blah blah but, whatever. You wanted an answer and now you’ve got one.

You're right that I follow the women's team with the same eye (and level of scrutiny) with which I follow the men's team. And, frankly, the fact that the men's team has been a dumpster fire for 2 years, and underwhelming for 4, has increased my interest and attention to the women's team on a day to day basis.

You've kind of been beating around the bush in other threads, and I appreciate that you've come out here and said it quite straightforwardly, and I mean this with no sarcasm or snark: You want the women's board to be a place where (mostly old) people can cheerlead for their girls. That's fine, and I don't begrudge that* as long as there is also a venue for discussing basketball as we would discuss any other sport, men's or women's.

How do we allow there to be a place for serious discussion of basketball (yes, including flaws) on the women's board?


*you'll note that I never attack other posters or impugn their basketball knowledge on the women's board

 

[whaler11]

That's a cute narrative. Unfortunately Ollie shouldn't be rewarded for not doing his job. Both sides are at fault. They should meet in the middle. If you are hoping for Ollie to get his full buyout you are clueless and not a fan of the program.

Bad casual fan. This was decided already.

To be a true fan one has to be in lockstep with whatever the groupthink is today.

Was everyone who was a year and a half late on Ollie not a fan? Three years late on Diaco - not a fan?

I wonder if the AD will send back the 5 figures I’ve spent on tickets this decade now that I’ve been deemed unworthy of the word ‘fan’.

I don’t support the kind of person that would contractually tie their fortunes to a person and then only a couple of years later try to scapegoat them because things didn’t go as well as planned.

If you don’t care because you want the outcome you want - that’s fair and fine. I don’t root for dirtbags. I have ethical standards for those that are paid by the citizens to work for the state. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Paesano]

You aren’t going to let it go, huh?

There’s a reason it’s rainbows and unicorns there. The majority of fans are over 60 (well over 60 - see the census) and they basically see the players as surrogate granddaughters. They may not know a lot about basketball and they don’t know a zone from a hand check but they love “our girls”. Many people on the women’s board are ailing physically, many are bedridden or hospitalized, and they find watching the women’s team to be fun and joyful. Until they get to the Boneyard and read how badly the team played in its 30 point road win, that is.

There’s an older gentlemen who emails me when he goes back into the hospital, which has been more recent lately. He’s lonely and scared but watching the women’s team makes him happy for a while. He was very upset in a recent email, asking why people are so hard on the players. I get that a lot when lurkers talk to me at games, too. They’re afraid to post because some posters really need to let these lurkers know they’re idiots or that they don’t know anything about the game. Most of the know it alls have drifted over from the men’s board, including you and @Tenspro2002 , and that seems to have increased this season. Most roll their eyes at the women’s board culture, I’m aware, but they manage to post just fine without scaring some 70 year old back into lurking. Some just carry on like they’re on the men’s board.

The men’s board is a chat room to discuss basketball; the women’s board has a large community of people hanging out with others like them. You may have noticed threads where these guys talk about seeing Red Auerbach play or their WWII, Korean, or Vietnam Nam war time memories. These guys want the community and friendships, not a hardcore analysis of why Stevens’ defense is bad. They don’t wail and moan if UConn doesn’t cover the point spread (and wasn’t that a fun thread?) and they don’t need perfection.

Sure, there are 30-40 or so guys that want to just talk basketball but it’s a tiny minority of the board. You guys that want to bring the men’s board culture into the women’s board - it isn’t going to work. You’re always going to get pushback and I’m always going to protect my frail constituency. I know I’ll get the mocking and blah blah blah but, whatever. You wanted an answer and now you’ve got one.

Well thanks! I actually appreciate the response. Now, while I fully get what you are saying, and I can appreciate what you are trying to achieve, I have to say that it goes beyond just keeping a positive board about the team and our coaches. I, for one, have never been critical of the girls or Geno. Actually, I think he is a genius and I love the kids he gets for us. What I have been critical of is fans of opposing teams posting/gloating about their recruits/team/coach/etc because I don't see why they feel compelled to do that on a UConn board and especially when they are posting thinly veiled insults or criticisms of our players and coach. I really don't get why that is allowed. I also have never understood why people insist on posting about transferred players as if it makes them a super fan for continuing to support them. They are not part of this program any more so let them go. But, maybe it is the old folks just trying to be a grandparent again and, if so, I get it. Lastly, I don't get the hypersensitivity of the mods to criticism. If people disagree with what you allow or delete, you ban them. Why?!?!? And don't tell me it is for repeated complaining because that isn't always the case. You can explain your reasoning like you did above without deleting every post and banning every person who is critical. I don't know which mod is the super sensitive one but I have long suspected it is JS trying to be your white knight.

Nan, I don't think it is a tiny minority that want to talk more about the games, good and bad. It might not be a majority but it more than 30 or 40 guys. Maybe it would make sense to have two boards for each team. One that is for the eternal optimists and one for the pessimists. Those in the middle can post on both. Maybe that is a crazy idea but I can tell you that a lot of people love the women's team but find the current forum to be frustrating and boring. I guess it is a shame there isn't a place for everyone but I honestly understand what you are saying about the older crowd. I have seen it myself in parents and grandparents in my family. However, none of them ever came to the boneyard. They watched the games on TV and talked with people in person about the team. I am surprised that many old people frequent the women's board. But I'll take your word for it.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Seriously not being dick.

Thanks for this. Puts things in a lot better context.

Maybe copy and paste this (or some less personal version of this) into a pinned post for the new people.

It's been that way a long time. I used to wade over there, and now I rarely do. In fairness, it takes a certain type of person to take time out of their life to be hyper critical of the UConn women's team. There's no sports team anyone could be a fan of that has been more successful. So I completely understand that it's a lot easier, and more pleasant, to just go along for the ride.

 

[mdkhusky]

Bad casual fan. This was decided already.

To be a true fan one has to be in lockstep with whatever the groupthink is today.

Was everyone who was a year and a half late on Ollie not a fan? Three years late on Diaco - not a fan?

I wonder if the AD will send back the 5 figures I’ve spent on tickets this decade now that I’ve been deemed unworthy of the word ‘fan’.

I don’t support the kind of person that would contractually tie their fortunes to a person and then only a couple of years later try to scapegoat them because things didn’t go as well as planned.

If you don’t care because you want the outcome you want - that’s fair and fine. I don’t root for dirtbags. I have ethical standards for those that are paid by the citizens to work for the state. Sorry, not sorry.

Cry me a river

 

[CL82]

Good news. Here's hoping it's so they can work out a deal beforehand and avoid the hearing altogether.

IMO, they won't settle before this meeting.

 

[the Q]

It's been that way a long time. I used to wade over there, and now I rarely do. In fairness, it takes a certain type of person to take time out of their life to be hyper critical of the UConn women's team. There's no sports team anyone could be a fan of that has been more successful. So I completely understand that it's a lot easier, and more pleasant, to just go along for the ride.

I have been especially hard on the girls for a poor level of effort in last year's FF.

this year it's really just been more about stating the obvious

they're turning the ball over too much, they have little depth, and teams with good size are going to give them trouble.

 

[Paesano]

Bad casual fan. This was decided already.

To be a true fan one has to be in lockstep with whatever the groupthink is today.

Was everyone who was a year and a half late on Ollie not a fan? Three years late on Diaco - not a fan?

I wonder if the AD will send back the 5 figures I’ve spent on tickets this decade now that I’ve been deemed unworthy of the word ‘fan’.

I don’t support the kind of person that would contractually tie their fortunes to a person and then only a couple of years later try to scapegoat them because things didn’t go as well as planned.

If you don’t care because you want the outcome you want - that’s fair and fine. I don’t root for dirtbags. I have ethical standards for those that are paid by the citizens to work for the state. Sorry, not sorry.

Try to get this into your head. No one is scapegoating Ollie. He got what he deserved because he didn't do his job. By definition, you can't scapegoat someone that is actually guilty. He wasn't just not as good as people thought or hoped. He was blatantly negligent. He deserves a full buyout as much as Herbst deserves to completely escape without being held accountable for being stupid.

 

[Dove]

IMO, they won't settle before this meeting.

Yep. I can't see KO all of sudden ten toes in on anything so quickly. He'll get to this when he gets this.

 

[whaler11]

Try to get this into your head. No one is scapegoating Ollie. He got what he deserved because he didn't do his job. By definition, you can't scapegoat someone that is actually guilty. He wasn't just not as good as people thought or hoped. He was blatantly negligent. He deserves a full buyout as much as Herbst deserves to completely escape without being held accountable for being stupid.

You have no idea if he is ‘guilty’ - you don’t even know what they have accused him of.

But other than that - spot on!

 

[HuskyHawk]

I have been especially hard on the girls for a poor level of effort in last year's FF.

this year it's really just been more about stating the obvious

they're turning the ball over too much, they have little depth, and teams with good size are going to give them trouble.

And yet, they will likely go undefeated with another title. They already blew out the team they play next...at their home.
So even if that's all true...it's like searching for the negative in a sea of positives.

 

[CL82]

Yep. I can't see KO all of sudden ten toes in on anything so quickly. He'll get to this when he gets this.

I see it being a function of one part due diligence and one part union SOP. The real question is it settled prior to going to Suzie. I put that at 60/40 against it happening.

 

[the Q]

And yet, they will likely go undefeated with another title. They already blew out the team they play next...at their home.
So even if that's all true...it's like searching for the negative in a sea of positives.

The problem is who is left standing on the other side of the bracket.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You have no idea if he is ‘guilty’ - you don’t even know what they have accused him of.

But other than that - spot on!

He's guilty of being a lousy basketball coach. For me, that's reason enough not to pay him to not do his job, even if his contract says otherwise.