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Shocking News Out of North Carolina Women's Basketball

I point out again that whatever words were used or not used by Sylvia Hatchell, the bigger issue is her continuing problem establishing a strong relationship with her players. 5 years ago, she lost half her team via transfer. It appears that is about to happen again. It speaks to a fundamental problem Hatchell has relating to young people.
Not buying that at all. Sylvia has consistently pulled in good recruiting classes since the the Diamond debacle. Those classes have included USA caliber basketball players like Bailey and McDonalds All-America like Watts & walker , also high impact transfers like Paris Kea from Vanderbilt. Since 2013 UCONN has had more player transfer out than UNC has. Sylvia is relating just fine to young people.
 
Not buying that at all. Sylvia has consistently pulled in good recruiting classes since the the Diamond debacle. Those classes have included USA caliber basketball players like Bailey and McDonalds All-America like Watts & walker , also high impact transfers like Paris Kea from Vanderbilt. Since 2013 UCONN has had more player transfer out than UNC has. Sylvia is relating just fine to young people.
Well, then you have to subscribe to the DD poisoned the well theory 5 years ago, and as for this year, it remains to be seen whether this is one disgruntled player pushing an agenda or several players with legitimate concerns about the HC.
 
This just occurred to me as I caught up with this thread. Whatever the reports of anecdotal evidence of whatever are about Sylvia Hatchell and her staff, and not meaning to address whatever her issues are or are not that bring the suspension and investigation...in other words, without regard to the merits of whatever the case or non-case against Hatchell is ... so strictly hypothetically I ask: If a non-black person did not like black people, why would such a person devote a lifetime to a profession that had them interacting constantly with people many if not most of whom are black?
A white person can like black people or like being around them and still believe in white supremacy (or black inferiority). A white person can like black people so long as they stay in their place or express gratitude. And a white person can like a black person in all his or her complexity, and without regard for power dynamics. I have experienced all of the above. I prefer the third.
 
Well, then you have to subscribe to the DD poisoned the well theory 5 years ago, and as for this year, it remains to be seen whether this is one disgruntled player pushing an agenda or several players with legitimate concerns about the HC.
Be careful how far back you go comparing UCONN transfers to UNC transfers. UCONN 2010
class transfer rate was 60%.
 
While what Hatchell said and did at UNC is in dispute, one thing is not in dispute. This is the 2nd time in 5 years that UNC will have half their roster transfer. Either Hatchell is recruiting the wrong kids, or she just isn’t doing a very good job establishing a relationship with them.

Facts is facts !!
 
Be careful how far back you go comparing UCONN transfers to UNC transfers. UCONN 2010
class transfer rate was 60%.
Coco, it was not really my intention to get into a discussion of transfer rates between UNC and UConn, or any other school for that matter. When Geno lost players, it was typically one at a time usually because they weren't seeing the court. UNC is losing players in bunches, At a minimum Hatchell has to do a serious self assessment.
 
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Anyone who would assume that one version of an exchange in which they were not present is without a doubt correct would be wrong. Perhaps I should have been more detailed in my post. What I meant to say was that that was what Hatchel said she said instead of " what she actually said".

That part out of the way, Hatchel's version is very very highly more probable than the other version. It is very believable that a young college student under stress might translate the "hang out to dry" statement into what they believe she might have said. The younger generation is especially ignorant in respect to what used to be commonly used idioms or phrases. I have experienced many incidents where (even devoid of idioms ) what a person thought they heard was vastly different than what was actually said. Hey, there are even examples on forums like this where people misinterpreted or misread things that are right in front of them in black and white.

I have never been a fan of Hatchel. I think she is an example of a dinosaur who has kept her position via the " Good ole boy/girl system". Yet it is very improbable that someone who has been around as long as she has would suddenly out of the blue and say that if a player didn't improve she would be taken out and lynched. If you believe that then either your BS meter is broken or it suits some social agenda.

The player who made that accusation probably truly believes that is what was said. Still, we need to be as sensitive to people who are falsely accused of things as we are to the individuals that believe they might have been wronged. If we truly believe that being a racist/bigot is so wrong, then being falsely accused of being one is far more offensive than someone who might have been offended by a racist statement. That is something that has been ignored by those that cherry pick who is entitled to be offended and who is not.


Why us her version closer to the truth? That is ridiculous.

In big-time college athletics, players generally choose the coach more so than the institution. If you can earn a scholarship to play at UNC, you probably could have played at 80 other schools. Those young ladies chose her.

If you believe her version of events over theirs, you must believe these young ladies conspired to ruin the coach and program they freely chose over most others. Sure that is possible, but why?

They were bothered enough that they called home. The university saw enough to make them suspend the entire staff. But her version is more like true?
 
A white person can like black people or like being around them and still believe in white supremacy (or black inferiority). A white person can like black people so long as they stay in their place or express gratitude. And a white person can like a black person in all his or her complexity, and without regard for power dynamics. I have experienced all of the above. I prefer the third.

I do understand the 3 of maybe infinite varieties of racial interaction attitudes. But, to put my question more directly, if you are a bigot do you really choose a career that has you hanging around the people you have bigoted thoughts about. This isn't 1850s Carolina and she isn't raising cotton.
 
I do understand the 3 of maybe infinite varieties of racial interaction attitudes. But, to put my question more directly, if you are a bigot do you really choose a career that has you hanging around the people you have bigoted thoughts about. This isn't 1850s Carolina and she isn't raising cotton.
I think calling her a bigot is a reach to be honest. I also think her life experiences would tend to indicate she might lack empathy for the experience of a black person. IF she said what was attributed to her, it is likely she thought there was nothing wrong with it.
 
Coco, it was not really my intention to get into a discussion of transfer rates between UNC and UConn, or any other school for that matter. When Geno lost players, it was typically one at a time usually because they weren't seeing the court. UNC is losing players in bunches, At a minimum Hatchell has to do a serious self assessment.
All Sylvia has to do address the specific allegations. You stated that "UNC is losing players in bunches" and implied that is related to the allegations against Sylvia. It is at least partial unrelated, per an earlier post "at least 3 of the NC players were in the transfer portal prior to the allegations. Two of the three UNC players that are in the transfer portal Destinee Walker & Stephanie Watts are both HS class of 2015 meaning that they will be graduate transfers and might have been leaving UNC anyway. BTW Sylvia has 1 more year remaining on her contract, she is not going to get an extension, this is the end of the road for her at UNC either way.
 
I do understand the 3 of maybe infinite varieties of racial interaction attitudes. But, to put my question more directly, if you are a bigot do you really choose a career that has you hanging around the people you have bigoted thoughts about. This isn't 1850s Carolina and she isn't raising cotton.
Please spend some time learning about "unconscious racism" and "implicit bias". (A Google search is not a bad place to start). This is a burgeoning subject area in cognitive psychology. Bottom line: a person can harbor racial stereotypes (we all do) and act on them (some of us do) without being a bigot. Indeed, many black folk would rather deal with straight up bigots than with well-meaning white folk who are (willfully?) blind to the ways in which they reinforce and benefit from racial stratification.

So please stop with the "she can't have said (or meant) the things she's accused of saying because she willingly spends time with black folk" or "because she's not a bigot". By the way, I'd be more impressed by a stockbroker who engages black folk in her professional capacity than by a basketball coach who does.
 
This just occurred to me as I caught up with this thread. Whatever the reports of anecdotal evidence of whatever are about Sylvia Hatchell and her staff, and not meaning to address whatever her issues are or are not that bring the suspension and investigation...in other words, without regard to the merits of whatever the case or non-case against Hatchell is ... so strictly hypothetically I ask: If a non-black person did not like black people, why would such a person devote a lifetime to a profession that had them interacting constantly with people many if not most of whom are black?

is this a serious question?
 
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North Carolina women's basketball has been taken hostage by the players. They are not the first school this has happened to.
 
You will pass because you have no interest in taking responsibility for your own learning, and because ignorance is bliss for those who benefit from it. I took your question as a serious inquiry, and spent a lot of time replying in a careful and kind way. Your response is to flip me off. Nice guy.

You're right and I apologize.
 
All Sylvia has to do address the specific allegations. You stated that "UNC is losing players in bunches" and implied that is related to the allegations against Sylvia. It is at least partial unrelated, per an earlier post "at least 3 of the NC players were in the transfer portal prior to the allegations. Two of the three UNC players that are in the transfer portal Destinee Walker & Stephanie Watts are both HS class of 2015 meaning that they will be graduate transfers and might have been leaving UNC anyway. BTW Sylvia has 1 more year remaining on her contract, she is not going to get an extension, this is the end of the road for her at UNC either way.
Coco I am not buying for one second the allegations were made after they entered the transfer portal. The allegations came to light after the players entered the portal. For a school to open an investigation multiple instances or a heavily document issue has to have occurred. Now the school May have “announced” the allegations after but I think there is exactly that correlation of issues = transfers.

We also know during the recruiting or “wooing” process, coaches have a completely different demeanor. I do not believe Hatchell as a racist, but do believe her to be aloof (polite term) or insensitive to both motivational techniques and on how to handle injuries.

The facts are still yet tone made completely public, however I agree that this will be her last contract and maybe she gets to coach her last year if the smoke clears. Respectfully, DefenseBB
 
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North Carolina women's basketball has been taken hostage by the players. They are not the first school this has happened to.

Oh, so they conspired to do this...and gain what exactly? Like in any crime show, what’s the motive? No motive, no crime. You do realize there is an email and text trail with the team doctor about injuries that substantiates the players claims right?
 
Oh, so they conspired to do this...and gain what exactly? Like in any crime show, what’s the motive? No motive, no crime. You do realize there is an email and text trail with the team doctor about injuries that substantiates the players claims right?
We are talking WCBB here not some episode of CSI so please focus! The players did not like the way they were being treated (pushed?). What they gain in the process is someone who will treat them better, more gently than the current coach.
 
We are talking WCBB here not some episode of CSI so please focus! The players did not like the way they were being treated (pushed?). What they gain in the process is someone who will treat them better, more gently than the current coach.
Neither of us knows what went on other than what was reported and to me, the most troubling is the documentation of Hatchell pushing players to play when injured. So let’s agree to disagree on Hatchell who should have been let go beforehand this last contract.
 
Neither of us knows what went on other than what was reported and to me, the most troubling is the documentation of Hatchell pushing players to play when injured. So let’s agree to disagree on Hatchell who should have been let go beforehand this last contract.
What are my other options?
 
Great time to announce this :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...... right after midnight... on Good Friday.....

Anyway

Sylvia Hatchell Steps Down as Women's Basketball Head Coach

Main points from the announcement

The firm conducted a review that included 28 interviews of current players and personnel connected to the UNC women's basketball program and found widespread support for three overarching themes:


1. Hatchell made comments that were racially insensitive, and when confronted by players and staff did not respond in a timely or appropriate manner. The review concluded that Hatchell is not viewed as a racist, but her comments and subsequent response caused many in the program to believe she lacked awareness and appreciation for the effect her remarks had on those who heard them.


2. Players and medical staff expressed frustration with perceived and undue influence from Hatchell regarding medical issues and pressure to play. Despite Hatchell's questioning of player care, status and readiness, the medical staff did not surrender to pressure to clear players before they were medically ready.


3. There has been a breakdown of connectivity between the players and Hatchell.
 
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Great time to announce this :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:. right after midnight... on Good Friday.....

Anyway

Sylvia Hatchell Steps Down as Women's Basketball Head Coach

Main points from the announcement

The firm conducted a review that included 28 interviews of current players and personnel connected to the UNC women's basketball program and found widespread support for three overarching themes:


1. Hatchell made comments that were racially insensitive, and when confronted by players and staff did not respond in a timely or appropriate manner. The review concluded that Hatchell is not viewed as a racist, but her comments and subsequent response caused many in the program to believe she lacked awareness and appreciation for the effect her remarks had on those who heard them.


2. Players and medical staff expressed frustration with perceived and undue influence from Hatchell regarding medical issues and pressure to play. Despite Hatchell's questioning of player care, status and readiness, the medical staff did not surrender to pressure to clear players before they were medically ready.


3. There has been a breakdown of connectivity between the players and Hatchell.
Sometimes it takes a while for problems to be exposed, as it did with Rene Portland.
 
Elon’s Charlotte Smith has to be on a short list. She is a NC standout and i have felt she was waiting on this job. Could be a good move.
 
Elon’s Charlotte Smith has to be on a short list. She is a NC standout and i have felt she was waiting on this job. Could be a good move.

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Well this is what happens when I take a road trip and then check the BY before winding down to sleep. Quite the piece of news at midnight on a Thursday.

I’ll be shocked if anyone but Charlotte Smith gets the job. She is heir apparent.
 
Well this is what happens when I take a road trip and then check the BY before winding down to sleep. Quite the piece of news at midnight on a Thursday.

I’ll be shocked if anyone but Charlotte Smith gets the job. She is heir apparent.

You must not have read the above post :rolleyes:
 
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