He is and was a very good college player, he would need to be Rodmanesque defensively and as a rebounder to make it in the NBA with his offensive skill set. He does have a lot of potential in those two areas, so who knows.
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He is and was a very good college player, he would need to be Rodmanesque defensively and as a rebounder to make it in the NBA with his offensive skill set. He does have a lot of potential in those two areas, so who knows.
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I'm not knocking you. I used to read them continually, but found them very uncredible.
Draft.net routinely has player profile write ups years out of date. Until recently, Shabazz's profile was from his freshmen year playing behind Kemba. It had nothing from the end of his freshman year, nothing from his Sophomore, nor Junior year. It's not just UConn profiles either. They manipulate their Mocks right up to the draft (though most do, I'll admit). Heck, I think they manipulate it as the draft is going on. During the year, most of their preseason "favorites" remain while it appears like they are not watching players in season & go with the hype (Hey this is the year of Freshman hype too). Their skill analysis is often awful & outdated. They like predicting under classmen declaring before there is any indication & often have to revise over & over when their predictions fall flat. I've been reading their crap for 10+ years (often during the season). I'm not sure who their draft experts are. That's just my take on them... not my opinion of you, so don't take it that way. I'm one of those weirdo's who's been following the draft back to the Ewing days. LOL
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He's not 6'7" either!…..
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Funny stuff coming from you, someone who thinks a lot of himself……….but actually knows very little! But keep 'em coming you're easy Jer……..
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Boy you can say i disagree but instead needed to say " comment" - GFY strummer along with your ridiculous "Ball don't lie" BS…….nice job!!
I'm not bitter, he's not an NBA player I don't care what they say did you watch his game….nice college player and you know what dips*t, he can't shoot, handle or pass - tell me he can. 13 and 13 is real good but you haven't explained to me what he's real good at besides rebounding…….what an idiot reply! You and Jer are a team I can see…….lol
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I love Roscoe but I'd be pretty surprised if he sniffed the NBA.
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It's possible but it's all hindsight. You take Drummond every time.
And I think we might have had no transfers if we hadn't had a made-up NCAA punishment.
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Danzz said:
Meh - bringing in Khalid reduced Ricky/Rash's roles, bringing in Ben took a starting spot away from Tony, bringing in Rudy meant less minutes/touches for Rashad/Denham, bringing in Kemba changed things for Austrie/Beverly (and Dyson to a degree, in terms of showing point guard skills for the next level).
If we were scared of what bringing in talent might do to the incumbents, we'd be sitting on no titles. The incumbents need to prove they belong out there. KO did when we brought in Sheffer (and Fair accepted his bench role).
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From Chad Ford on Roscoe:
Positives
- Long, athletic wing
- Excellent shooter with deep range
- Very good size for his position
- Good rebounder
- Needs to add strength
- Needs to improve ball handling
- Inconsistent defender
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/players/_/id/19609/roscoe-smith
I thought he cannot shoot? Never seen someone so dumb think they were so brilliant, glad to have you around for the laughs.
Honestly, have you ever watched Scoe? Has Chad Ford? That's an atrocious write up on two counts:
1) Scoe is an excellent defender
2) Scoe is a bad shooter from deep.
He has shot: 30%, 24%, and now 33% from three.
Now before you say, "well look he's better now." His freshman year he took 83 threes, his sophomore year he took 29, this year (so far) 6. He was 25/83, 7/29, 2/6. That is a grand total of 34/118 or 29%. In what world is that an excellent shooter with deep range?
EDIT: I'd also say, based on this year, that Roscoe is an excellent rebounder.
EDIT 2: honestly that write up sounds more like Daniels than Roscoe.
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Deep range does not mean from 3, he states 3 point or NBA 3 point range for that. It refers to his ability to shot from outside the paint and knock down jump shots, which he can and does.
Also, have you watched him this year? How many people on this board have? I have, a number of times, he is a much better and more aggressive player then he was 2 years go at UConn.
EDIT: To note, I do not think he will be a first round pick this year and I doubt next year unless there is an improvement in his game, but I do think he can play in the league because of his ability to rebound, defend, stretch the floor and score from 16 feet.
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You decided to use a comically idiotic and out of touch profile from Chad Ford to back up your point? Interesting choice.
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You will never find a post saying I thought he was a great shooter, I was pointing out that the jackass calling someone a dipshit for saying he can shoot may want to wake up and look at Roscoe now, not 2 years ago, because people who do this for living do not think he is a terrible shooter.
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How many college power forwards can consistently knock that shot down? We have 0 that can.
Deep range is different for a PF than it is for SG.
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Not even going to comment on Giffey being a PF, but your right DeAndre does for us and can. He will be in the NBA one day as well, but not as a PF.
Do you think DeAndre has a longer NBA career than Roscoe? Just wondering, I am not sure who I would go with. DeAndre has more talent but Roscoe is able to do something (rebound) better than DeAndre can do anything.
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Giff has played the 4 for us when DeAndre sits. That's the reality we're in. I don't think we've ever played a two-big lineup unless Facey played alongside Brimah/Nolan/TO for a minute or two.
I am still not sure that DD makes it in the NBA. I just don't see enough 3-man skills out of him and don't think he has the size to deal with NBA fours. He could perhaps find his way on to the right team where he can stretch the D a little in a Rashard Lewis type role, but Lewis was stronger and a good rebounder too. He may need to test well in workouts -agility and shooting wise - to improve his odds, and he may find another gear at some point and take a leap into better prospect status. There was a time I thought the same about Caron struggling to make it at the next level midway through his sophomore year and he obviously found another level.
Roscoe has improved his odds by finding a niche. People who like someone like Faried may see the potential of a similar energy/rebounder in the new Roscoe. Whereas if he kept thinking of himself as a 3, he'd probably have no chance.
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I think everyone's looking at the Roscoe of now except you dude. He's shot 48/75 this year on uncontested 15 foot shots (a.k.a. free throws). He's attempted 6 three pointers on the year in 16 games, 1 attempt every 3 games. He is not a good shooter.
Chad Ford is a complete moron. He's the jackass who every year has 70-80 guys with "first round potential". Just because ESPN is dumb enough to pay him for his thoughts does not change the fact that most of his thoughts are idiotic.
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I agree with Dan. He did not even suggest that we should not have brought in Drummond but was commenting on the result. Drummond is obviously a great player but he wasn't great while he was here and he did take minutes away from Oriakhi and Roscoe. Oriakhi was bitter and would have transferred no matter but Roscoe's decision was probably related to lack of an opportunity to play in the post-season.
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Jerry1714 said:
At his size, if he's not a wing, he's gotta be a freakish athlete or a lights out 3 point shooter. 16 feet doesn't cut it. The best mid range shooter in the NBA right now is Serge Ibaka, who also happens to be one of the two best defenders in the league and a lot bigger than Roscoe. What I'm saying is the 16 foot jumper is something guys with more to offer than Roscoe bring to the table.
That being said, crazier things have happened than Roscoe catching on somewhere as a rebound/energy guy.
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So does this mean he was a good shooter his freshman year when he went 60/75? Is this how you define a good shooter, by hitting free throws?
He is not a 3 pointer shooter, he plays PF, if he thinks his game is knocking down 3's he wont play in the D-league let alone the NBA. I do not care, nor does the NBA, what he shoots from 3.
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With the Celtics having a ton of draft picks (though I'm not sure how many this coming draft) and Shabazz being boston guy, I'd love to see him end up with the C's with a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick. I'm sure he'd be thrilled to back up Rajon Rondo in Boston, probably get Calhoun to a game or two of his during the season too
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Yes I have watched him this year (though only in 4 games). He has decent mid-range game but by no-means elite or excellent.
It's absurd (and by this I mean Chad Ford is, if what you say about his definition is true) to say someone shooting outside the paint, but inside the three point line, has deep range. Most any analyst/enthusiast/casual fan will tell you that's mid-range. For that matter in the NBA, the college line is part of that mid-range shot. Roscoe doesn't have deep range. It's just absurd.
As to your question on Daniels versus Roscoe. I think Daniels has more offensive potential because he is a pretty solid shooter and can dribble better (neither are great). Roscoe brings one (possibly) elite skill in rebounding though. In the right system, either could contribute. In the wrong system, either will fail. Neither is a sure-fire star.
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KO proved that a less talented guy with great work habits and determination can carve out a career in the NBA .
To dismiss someone based on perceived negatives is ridicules. It may effect the draft but D league weeds out the ones who really want it from the ones that think it's a given.
To dismiss someone based on perceived negatives is ridicules. It may effect the draft but D league weeds out the ones who really want it from the ones that think it's a given.
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Really getting some great laughs out of your backtracking and goal post moving in this thread. So thanks for that.
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Well, Oriakhi and Roscoe simply needed to prove they belonged on the floor. They had ample opportunity. Never mind Drummond, they both fell behind Tyler Olander in the rotation at the 4 at the start of the season. Nobody wanted to seize either of the forward spots that were there for the taking all season, so we turned into a three-guard team. I mean, TO and Roscoe played almost the exact number of minutes that season (Roscoe 602, Tyler 600). Tyler had 131 rebounds, Roscoe had 112. Tyler had 40 assists, Roscoe had 7.
I like TO and all, but if you're not beating him out for minutes, then perhaps you're not being screwed.
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I find it comical that someone says a PF's cannot shoot based on a small number of FTs and how many 3 pointers they take, but hey the world needs ditch diggers too.
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Here's the good news FF, no one agrees with you……..check your posts Jer, you're a dope and you're confirming the crap out of it in this thread…want a laugh, wake up and check that mirror. Can't believe you're actually a Husky fan it kind of embarrasses me!
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