Shabazz and Roscoe

[Jerry1714]

This is an as-h-le comment.

He's averaging 13 and 13 and most teams in America right now would love to have him on their starting 5. Why so bitter?

Ball don't lie.

No matter how many stats or other mocks you provide it won't matter some people just don't understand reality or the game.

 

[Husky999]

How can you believe a site which has Roscoe in the first round? Can't shoot, handle or pass……..but teams want him…...

DeAndre Jordan can't "shoot, handle, or pass" either. All he can do is dunk and rebound and he makes 10mill a year.

 

[caw]

Is that why draft express finished behind .net 2 of the last 3 years in terms of accuracy? Or why they finished as one of the best sites in 2 of the last 3, cause they are terrible?

Look at the rankings above or do a little research before posting nonsense

How were their predictions from last January?

NBA draft mocks are worse than 24/7s crystal balls for recruiting. All change their picks as close to the event as possible and then claim they are the best.

If you are comparing draft sites, when did each last update? Were they both last updated around the same time prior to the draft they guessed well at? Was this a one time thing? If both sites are updating 5 minutes before the draft and one is consistently better, good for that site, but irrelevant to their analysis in January. If one is updating an hour before and the other five minutes before, well then you aren't comparing apples to apples. I doubt either keeps their January guesses.

 

[Danzz]

Roscoe's decision to transfer is looking better for him every day.

If he stayed, he'd be a senior this year and going against tough draft competition.

As it is, he's a junior, already on the NBA's radar, and with another year to improve and impress NBA scouts.

He is averaging 13 and 13, shooting 55% from the field and 33% from 3 (albeit only 6 shots).

If he bumps those numbers up next year even a bit, he's a solid 1st round pick and could have a career in the NBA as a rebounder/defensive specialist.

His decision, in retrospect, was very good for Roscoe.

And after Calhoun cut his minutes by over 25% after the kid giving it his all for 2 years and being a key part of the champ team, who could blame him for wanting out? Worked out for him, and I'm really happy about that. Hope he makes a go of it in the NBA. He'll be on my "former huskies" in the NBA list.

Roscoe kind of got screwed by JC. People may think I'm crazy but the worst to happen to our program in the last few years was Andre Drummond coming to UConn. As good as Andre was, we only had him 1 year, didn't win with him and he really changed the rotation and team chemistry. It is very possible that there would have been no transfers if Andre went else ware. I'm not knocking Andre because he was a great player and a good kid but his presence just changed things.

 

[caw]

DeAndre Jordan can't "shoot, handle, or pass" either. All he can do is dunk and rebound and he makes 10mill a year.

He's taller, longer, weighs more, and a much better athlete/jumper. Seriously right now he's about 260 and came out at about 225. Roscoe is probably 210-215. Roscoe is not an NBA center.

 

[caw]

This is an as-h-le comment.

He's averaging 13 and 13 and most teams in America right now would love to have him on their starting 5. Why so bitter?

Ball don't lie.

He is and was a very good college player, he would need to be Rodmanesque defensively and as a rebounder to make it in the NBA with his offensive skill set. He does have a lot of potential in those two areas, so who knows.

 

[BearJWS]

Is that why draft express finished behind .net 2 of the last 3 years in terms of accuracy? Or why they finished as one of the best sites in 2 of the last 3, cause they are terrible?

Look at the rankings above or do a little research before posting nonsense

I'm not knocking you. I used to read them continually, but found them very uncredible.

Draft.net routinely has player profile write ups years out of date. Until recently, Shabazz's profile was from his freshmen year playing behind Kemba. It had nothing from the end of his freshman year, nothing from his Sophomore, nor Junior year. It's not just UConn profiles either. They manipulate their Mocks right up to the draft (though most do, I'll admit). Heck, I think they manipulate it as the draft is going on. During the year, most of their preseason "favorites" remain while it appears like they are not watching players in season & go with the hype (Hey this is the year of Freshman hype too). Their skill analysis is often awful & outdated. They like predicting under classmen declaring before there is any indication & often have to revise over & over when their predictions fall flat. I've been reading their crap for 10+ years (often during the season). I'm not sure who their draft experts are. That's just my take on them... not my opinion of you, so don't take it that way. I'm one of those weirdo's who's been following the draft back to the Ewing days. LOL

 

[mauconnfan]

DeAndre Jordan can't "shoot, handle, or pass" either. All he can do is dunk and rebound and he makes 10mill a year.

He's not 6'7" either!…..

 

[mauconnfan]

No matter how many stats or other mocks you provide it won't matter some people just don't understand reality or the game.

Funny stuff coming from you, someone who thinks a lot of himself……….but actually knows very little! But keep 'em coming you're easy Jer……..

 

[mauconnfan]

This is an as-h-le comment.

He's averaging 13 and 13 and most teams in America right now would love to have him on their starting 5. Why so bitter?

Ball don't lie.

Boy you can say i disagree but instead needed to say " comment" - GFY strummer along with your ridiculous "Ball don't lie" BS…….nice job!!

I'm not bitter, he's not an NBA player I don't care what they say did you watch his game….nice college player and you know what dips*t, he can't shoot, handle or pass - tell me he can. 13 and 13 is real good but you haven't explained to me what he's real good at besides rebounding…….what an idiot reply! You and Jer are a team I can see…….lol

 

[champs99and04]

I love Roscoe but I'd be pretty surprised if he sniffed the NBA.

 

[Inyatkin]

Roscoe kind of got screwed by JC. People may think I'm crazy but the worst to happen to our program in the last few years was Andre Drummond coming to UConn. As good as Andre was, we only had him 1 year, didn't win with him and he really changed the rotation and team chemistry. It is very possible that there would have been no transfers if Andre went else ware. I'm not knocking Andre because he was a great player and a good kid but his presence just changed things.

It's possible but it's all hindsight. You take Drummond every time.
And I think we might have had no transfers if we hadn't had a made-up NCAA punishment.

 

[Gurleyman]

Roscoe kind of got screwed by JC. People may think I'm crazy but the worst to happen to our program in the last few years was Andre Drummond coming to UConn. As good as Andre was, we only had him 1 year, didn't win with him and he really changed the rotation and team chemistry. It is very possible that there would have been no transfers if Andre went else ware. I'm not knocking Andre because he was a great player and a good kid but his presence just changed things.

Meh - bringing in Khalid reduced Ricky/Rash's roles, bringing in Ben took a starting spot away from Tony, bringing in Rudy meant less minutes/touches for Rashad/Denham, bringing in Kemba changed things for Austrie/Beverly (and Dyson to a degree, in terms of showing point guard skills for the next level).

If we were scared of what bringing in talent might do to the incumbents, we'd be sitting on no titles. The incumbents need to prove they belong out there. KO did when we brought in Sheffer (and Fair accepted his bench role).

 

[Jerry1714]

Boy you can say i disagree but instead needed to say " comment" - GFY strummer along with your ridiculous "Ball don't lie" BS…….nice job!!

I'm not bitter, he's not an NBA player I don't care what they say did you watch his game….nice college player and you know what dips*t, he can't shoot, handle or pass - tell me he can. 13 and 13 is real good but you haven't explained to me what he's real good at besides rebounding…….what an idiot reply! You and Jer are a team I can see…….lol

From Chad Ford on Roscoe:

Positives

• Long, athletic wing
• Excellent shooter with deep range
• Very good size for his position
• Good rebounder

Negatives

• Needs to add strength
• Needs to improve ball handling
• Inconsistent defender

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/players/_/id/19609/roscoe-smith



I thought he cannot shoot? Never seen someone so dumb think they were so brilliant, glad to have you around for the laughs.

 

[caw]

From Chad Ford on Roscoe:

Positives

• 
  [ ]Long, athletic wing
  [ ]Excellent shooter with deep range
  [ ]Very good size for his position
  [ ]Good rebounder

Negatives

• 
  [ ]Needs to add strength
  [ ]Needs to improve ball handling
  [ ]Inconsistent defender

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/players/_/id/19609/roscoe-smith



I thought he cannot shoot? Never seen someone so dumb think they were so brilliant, glad to have you around for the laughs.

Honestly, have you ever watched Scoe? Has Chad Ford? That's an atrocious write up on two counts:

1) Scoe is an excellent defender
2) Scoe is a bad shooter from deep.

He has shot: 30%, 24%, and now 33% from three.

Now before you say, "well look he's better now." His freshman year he took 83 threes, his sophomore year he took 29, this year (so far) 6. He was 25/83, 7/29, 2/6. That is a grand total of 34/118 or 29%. In what world is that an excellent shooter with deep range?

EDIT: I'd also say, based on this year, that Roscoe is an excellent rebounder.

EDIT 2: honestly that write up sounds more like Daniels than Roscoe.

 

[Jerry1714]

Honestly, have you ever watched Scoe? Has Chad Ford? That's an atrocious write up on two counts:

1) Scoe is an excellent defender
2) Scoe is a bad shooter from deep.

He has shot: 30%, 24%, and now 33% from three.

Now before you say, "well look he's better now." His freshman year he took 83 threes, his sophomore year he took 29, this year (so far) 6. He was 25/83, 7/29, 2/6. That is a grand total of 34/118 or 29%. In what world is that an excellent shooter with deep range?

EDIT: I'd also say, based on this year, that Roscoe is an excellent rebounder.

EDIT 2: honestly that write up sounds more like Daniels than Roscoe.

Deep range does not mean from 3, he states 3 point or NBA 3 point range for that. It refers to his ability to shot from outside the paint and knock down jump shots, which he can and does.

Also, have you watched him this year? How many people on this board have? I have, a number of times, he is a much better and more aggressive player then he was 2 years go at UConn.

EDIT: To note, I do not think he will be a first round pick this year and I doubt next year unless there is an improvement in his game, but I do think he can play in the league because of his ability to rebound, defend, stretch the floor and score from 16 feet.

 

[7774]

From Chad Ford on Roscoe:

Positives

• 
  [ ]Long, athletic wing
  [ ]Excellent shooter with deep range
  [ ]Very good size for his position
  [ ]Good rebounder

Negatives

• 
  [ ]Needs to add strength
  [ ]Needs to improve ball handling
  [ ]Inconsistent defender

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/players/_/id/19609/roscoe-smith



I thought he cannot shoot? Never seen someone so dumb think they were so brilliant, glad to have you around for the laughs.

You decided to use a comically idiotic and out of touch profile from Chad Ford to back up your point? Interesting choice.

 

[Gurleyman]

16 feet stops becoming "deep" around fourth grade. That's a mid-range elbow jumper in the college game.

 

[ctchamps]

Roscoe has a chance. Jeff is in the league now.

I like Shabazz a lot better than Marcus Williams to contribute in the NBA. He's just got tremendous basketball instincts and heart.

 

[Jerry1714]

You decided to use a comically idiotic and out of touch profile from Chad Ford to back up your point? Interesting choice.

You will never find a post saying I thought he was a great shooter, I was pointing out that the jackass calling someone a dipshit for saying he can shoot may want to wake up and look at Roscoe now, not 2 years ago, because people who do this for living do not think he is a terrible shooter.

 

[Jerry1714]

16 feet stops becoming "deep" around fourth grade. That's a mid-range elbow jumper in the college game.

How many college power forwards can consistently knock that shot down? We have 0 that can.

Deep range is different for a PF than it is for SG.

 

[Gurleyman]

How many college power forwards can consistently knock that shot down? We have 0 that can.

Deep range is different for a PF than it is for SG.

DeAndre Daniels and Niels Giffey play power forward for us - we have 2 that can.

 

[Jerry1714]

DeAndre Daniels and Niels Giffey play power forward for us - we have 2 that can.

Not even going to comment on Giffey being a PF, but your right DeAndre does for us and can. He will be in the NBA one day as well, but not as a PF.

Do you think DeAndre has a longer NBA career than Roscoe? Just wondering, I am not sure who I would go with. DeAndre has more talent but Roscoe is able to do something (rebound) better than DeAndre can do anything.

 

[Gurleyman]

Not even going to comment on Giffey being a PF, but your right DeAndre does for us and can. He will be in the NBA one day as well, but not as a PF.

Do you think DeAndre has a longer NBA career than Roscoe? Just wondering, I am not sure who I would go with. DeAndre has more talent but Roscoe is able to do something (rebound) better than DeAndre can do anything.

Giff has played the 4 for us when DeAndre sits. That's the reality we're in. I don't think we've ever played a two-big lineup unless Facey played alongside Brimah/Nolan/TO for a minute or two.

I am still not sure that DD makes it in the NBA. I just don't see enough 3-man skills out of him and don't think he has the size to deal with NBA fours. He could perhaps find his way on to the right team where he can stretch the D a little in a Rashard Lewis type role, but Lewis was stronger and a good rebounder too. He may need to test well in workouts -agility and shooting wise - to improve his odds, and he may find another gear at some point and take a leap into better prospect status. There was a time I thought the same about Caron struggling to make it at the next level midway through his sophomore year and he obviously found another level.

Roscoe has improved his odds by finding a niche. People who like someone like Faried may see the potential of a similar energy/rebounder in the new Roscoe. Whereas if he kept thinking of himself as a 3, he'd probably have no chance.

 

[7774]

You will never find a post saying I thought he was a great shooter, I was pointing out that the jackass calling someone a dip for saying he can shoot may want to wake up and look at Roscoe now, not 2 years ago, because people who do this for living do not think he is a terrible shooter.

I think everyone's looking at the Roscoe of now except you dude. He's shot 48/75 this year on uncontested 15 foot shots (a.k.a. free throws). He's attempted 6 three pointers on the year in 16 games, 1 attempt every 3 games. He is not a good shooter.

Chad Ford is a complete moron. He's the jackass who every year has 70-80 guys with "first round potential". Just because ESPN is dumb enough to pay him for his thoughts does not change the fact that most of his thoughts are idiotic.