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JimOllie said:
Vance is on an absolute retweet frenzy. Hope he enjoys his visit and commits over the weekend.
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To busy Tweeting to even know what Storrs looks like. . .

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Where's ozies info from the otb? I'm too lazy to look on a Friday night. C'mon down VJ!
 
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I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a positionless system, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about at what position each program plans to use them. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel?

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
 
DogMania said:
I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a position less system program, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about what position each program plans to use him at.. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel.

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
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We have a lot of athletes already. The way our guards play Jackson will be open to hit threes. Which we need
 
DogMania said:
I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a position less system program, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about what position each program plans to use him at.. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel.

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
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IMHO I don't think we're as starved for talent as it would suggest if we need Gabriel or bust. Obviously the better prospect is who you want all things being equal, but I don't think that the gap between the two would hurt the program if we got Jackson instead.
 
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DogMania said:
I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a positionless system, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about at what position each program plans to use them. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel?

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
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Stop. Just stop.
 
Stairmaster said:
IMHO I don't think we're as starved for talent as it would suggest if we need Gabriel or bust. Obviously the better prospect is who you want all things being equal, but I don't think that the gap between the two would hurt the program if we got Jackson instead.
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I'm not saying that Gabriel will make our program in any and anyway. I just think he's a special player who would help our program and be an exciting player to watch for a couple of years at least. Jackson really fits the need for shooters, but UConn has often been built on its defense. I see Gabriel as a potential big time defender at the 4 or the 3 while I think Jackson might turn out to be a little bit of a liability on that end of the floor. He just doesn't look all that quick. I think what you might not get in outside shooting from Gabriel, will be a lot of defensive plays that will add up to a much better plus-minus than what you'll get from Jackson. That's just a guess on my part. We won't know till both hit the college hardwood and have a bunch of games under their belt.
 
DogMania said:
I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a positionless system, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about at what position each program plans to use them. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel?

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
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I don't disagree with you but you could argue Gabriel and Larrier overlap moreso than Jackson and Larrier.

The counterpoint would be that with Larrier, Diarra and Durham in the fold, UConn has the option to wait on Gabriel if they want to do so as both Jackson and Gabriel are icing on the cake of a very strong front court recruiting class.

A solid two guard seems a much higher priority if Diallo does not reclassify and (for some reason) does not choose UConn.
 
huskiesnyc said:
Jackson is a top 50 player and excellent shooter. Why in the world would we not take a commitment? Also, we have Durham who is very similar to Gabriel in my opinion.
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He's not top 50 in all the rankings, but you can't always just rely on the rankings. I'm going by the eye test, but again only based on some video, so who knows. I'm just sharing some observations and thoughts. This is a message board for such.
 
huskiesnyc said:
Jackson is a top 50 player and excellent shooter. Why in the world would we not take a commitment? Also, we have Durham who is very similar to Gabriel in my opinion.
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Durham and Gabriel may both be college PFs but Gabriel has more perimeter skills. Durham is/was better in the post. Biggest question is how Durham recovers from his knee injury.

I personally take whoever commits between Gabriel and Jackson and run with it.
 
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BUHusky said:
Stop. Just stop.
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This is a message board. It won't be very interesting around here if people can't share their thoughts and observations. If we land Jackson this weekend and have to pass on Gabriel, so be it. I will gladly welcome Jackson into the Husky family. Just because you don't agree with someone's opinions, you shouldn't be telling them to stop on this board.
 
DogMania said:
He's not top 50 in all the rankings, but you can't always just rely on the rankings. I'm going by the eye test, but again only based on some video, so who knows. I'm just sharing some observations and thoughts. This is a message board for such.
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I think Gabriel is much less polished than you're giving him credit for, and much less polished than Jackson. And let's not lose perspective, this isn't about holding out for Gabriel or pulling the trigger on a kid who's barely in the top 200. Jackson's a top 50 kid.
 
DogMania said:
I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a positionless system, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about at what position each program plans to use them. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel?

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
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No. Take Vance Jackson all week and twice on Sunday. Terry Larrier and Juwan Durham give us what Gabriel would give us. We need shooting, badly, and Vance gives us that. If he's ready to commit, the staff should not hesitate.
 
DogMania said:
I watched some video of Jackson, and he seemed so much more of a spot up shooter. I much prefer to land Gabriel who's a much much better athlete and has potential to be a solid jump shooter, but I don't know if he is slipping out of reach at this point or not. I wonder what the staff will do as far as pressing or taking a commitment this weekend from Jackson. I'm assuming if we land him, that puts us out of the Gabriel sweepstakes. Maybe that's not the case since Gabriel is more of a stretch 4 while Jackson looks like a more prototypical small forward. To land Gabriel, they're going to have to recruit him as a 3. I realize that you UConn sells itself as a positionless system, but I'm sure recruits still tend to think about at what position each program plans to use them. So do you take a bird in the hand in Jackson, over the two in the bush in Gabriel?

This is a tough one. Jackson is still a top 100 recruit who has legit hi major shooting skills and size. It just looks like his athleticism is a little bit underwhelming based on the video that I saw, but doesn't always tell the whole story. But when you watch Gabriel, you see highlight after highlight of him punishing the rim, driving the lane, running the floor, and even passing the ball which he excels at for kid his size. Gabriel has solid form on his jump shot. It's hard to tell if he's just not consistent with it, or if other parts of his game is so strong that he simply doesn't need to rely on taking too many jump shots.

My preference, if the staff feels they have a really good shot at landing Gabriel, is to wait on him and try to defer a Jackson decision till after he takes his Cal visit and Gabriel takes his at UConn. I guess you run the risk of losing both, but Gabriel seems like such a talent that he might be worth holding out for. You can often find some good shooter that might present themselves next spring if they need to fill that role. High-flying long athletes like Gabriel don't come around that often, especially ones that have your program high on their list.
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Jackson is 50th best recruit in the country and is a big time shooter, you lock him up in a heartbeat.
 
DogMania said:
He's not top 50 in all the rankings, but you can't always just rely on the rankings.
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No, but you can rely on the jump shot.

Putting a bunch of athletes on the floor only gets you so far - you need a couple of guys who can open up space from them. Jackson has the skillset to do that, and will mostly likely be a 3-4 year college player.

Guys like Niels Giffey are necessary if you want to win titles, and Jackson sure looks a lot like Niels Giffey. If he wants to commit at any point, KO will say yes no matter how it effects Gabriel's intent.
 
DogMania said:
He's not top 50 in all the rankings, but you can't always just rely on the rankings. I'm going by the eye test, but again only based on some video, so who knows. I'm just sharing some observations and thoughts. This is a message board for such.
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Yep, top 75 is more accurate.

Scout 63
Rivalsa 72
24-7 44
ESPN 49
24-7 composite 51
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
I think Gabriel is much less polished than you're giving him credit for, and much less polished than Jackson. And let's not lose perspective, this isn't about holding out for Gabriel or pulling the trigger on a kid who's barely in the top 200. Jackson's a top 50 kid.
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Gabriel is a really good prospect but some people are trying to turn him into Garnett. Kid is good but the whole 6'10 shooting guard thing just isn't there, just because Durant and Dirk could pull it off doesn't mean everyone can.
 
caw said:
I don't disagree with you but you could argue Gabriel and Larrier overlap moreso than Jackson and Larrier.

The counterpoint would be that with Larrier, Diarra and Durham in the fold, UConn has the option to wait on Gabriel if they want to do so as both Jackson and Gabriel are icing on the cake of a very strong front court recruiting class.

A solid two guard seems a much higher priority if Diallo does not reclassify and (for some reason) does not choose UConn.
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When you have 14 scholarships to fill a roster you're going to have some overlap, that's for sure. And it does seem that you can has a lot of talented overlap at a few positions as you have mentioned. I'm a little concerned about Durham's durability. Hopefully he'll be able to get over these any injuries. They do seem to have a need for another shooting guard, but it sure looks like it's Diallo or bust because I don't see them recruiting any other two guards.

One could make an argument that they could use a true center, seven foot plus guy. They have been recruiting that 2017 big from Florida that could reclassify, and they might be on a couple 2016 bigs, but it doesn't seem like that's a priority.

It looks like they have a pretty solid 2016 roster already, so trying to add one or two of the most talented players out there regardless of position might not be a bad idea.
 
There were many times last year that UConn could've used a knockdown 3 point shooter to come off the bench. Vance would fit that role better than Gabriel. On the other hand, Gabriel seems to be a more versatile player who's also a better athlete (and likely therefore a better defender).

And, you have to take into account Larrier too. If he can fill DHam's SF position next year, then Gabriel would be more redundant than Jackson would.

In the end, if Vance wants to commit then I'd take him immediately, no waiting. Unlike Gabriel, he may not be an immediate starter for UConn , but he'd give UConn that deadly shooter, which is invaluable at critical times during a game. So sign him!
 
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