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walker11 said:
This is a silly argument but I'll bite. He is ranked outside of the top 50 in half of the rankings. To me, that doesn't really seem like a consensus top 50 player even though his average ranking is 51. Regardless, I think all of us would love to land Vance.
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Right, but I certainly wouldn't use "top-75" player for a guy whose average ranking is #51.
 
walker11 said:
This is a silly argument but I'll bite. He is ranked outside of the top 50 in half of the rankings. To me, that doesn't really seem like a consensus top 50 player even though his average ranking is 51. Regardless, I think all of us would love to land Vance.
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and inside the top 50 in the other half. His average ranking is 51 and that's pretty damn good. Vance is not some borderline 3/4 star top 100 kid.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
I don't think that what DogMania is saying is all that crazy in general, it's just that in this particular case I don't think that strategy would work. If you slow-play Jackson to try and land Gabriel you seriously risk not landing either of them. I'd prefer Gabriel as well, but you have to take Jackson if he wants to commit.
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We had this discussion last year with the whole Tevin Mack, Chris Clarke, Derrick Jones debacle. The best policy is whoever wants to commit first, gets the scholarship. But it's not like we are in a bind for scholarship openings right now. There are still plenty of spots to go around, so this shouldn't even be a discussion.
 
David 76 said:
Grab who you can when they fit this well.
Starting a team, I'd pick WG. But VJ meets our needs better and the "I want to play the 3" stuff makes me a little nervous.
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Good points, David.

I'm a bit surprised that some seem to be hot and bothered that I brought this up. I've not said that I have any insider perspective. I've not said that Vance would be a bad fit or is not a good prospect. I've only shared my preference of Gabriel over Jackson and why.

If we land Jackson at the expense of landing Gabriel, which might not be the case if Gabriel is a strong lean toward one or multiple programs on his short list, or even if he is KO's preferred recruit, then I'm fine with that. I'll welcome him gladly into the fold.

Many times what we want often doesn't turn out what was best. Having a player like Vance for say 3 to 4 years of productive contribution just about always trumps 1 year from some short timer. Or sometimes the player that many ranked lower turns out to be a more productive player than many hire ranked recruits. It's an inexact science. I've followed recruiting for a long time now. I used to attend events, have interviewed recruits, still watch occasional clips, and known some past UConn assistant coaches who gave me some inside stuff in the past. So I would think some would give me some benefit of the doubt that I'm not completely out to lunch. These posts were meant to spawn some healthy discussion, not meant to flame or upset anyone.

You can reply however you want, but it sure makes for a more enjoyable experience here when people aren't attacking posters for posting different opinions than your own. I can understand if someone comes to flame, put down our own players or coaches, but it sure seems some are overreacting a bit.
 
Yankees32123 said:
We had this discussion last year with the whole Tevin Mack, Chris Clarke, Derrick Jones debacle. The best policy is whoever wants to commit first, gets the scholarship. But it's not like we are in a bind for scholarship openings right now. There are still plenty of spots to go around, so this shouldn't even be a discussion.
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Gabriel is playing out the same way. Ollie needs to hit Jackson hard and lock him up. Gabriel ain't coming to storrs next fall. Get over it.
 
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Yankees32123 said:
We had this discussion last year with the whole Tevin Mack, Chris Clarke, Derrick Jones debacle. The best policy is whoever wants to commit first, gets the scholarship. But it's not like we are in a bind for scholarship openings right now. There are still plenty of spots to go around, so this shouldn't even be a discussion.
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Right, because we weren't in great position with any of those guys really as it turned out. I'm just saying that I wouldn't mind that strategy if we were in better shape with Jackson, rather than apparently being 50/50 with Cal, because I prefer Gabriel by a decent margin.

Duke did it with Quinn Cook. He wanted to commit there during the summer before his senior year, but they held off trying to get other guys(like Kabongo). When the other options fell through they accepted his commitment. It only works if the fallback option really wants to go to your school.
 
JonnyRI said:
Gabriel is playing out the same way. Ollie needs to hit Jackson hard and lock him up. Gabriel ain't coming to storrs next fall. Get over it.
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Just curious, JonnyRI, do you have some inside info? How do you know that Gabriel isn't committing here in the end? If he does, I hope you're willing to eat your pound of crow. Hum...you a PC fan. If so, why are you even in this discussion, but maybe I'm making an incorrect assumption here.

I've never said that Gabriel was coming here. Just would like him to though. We are in his top 3 or 5, whatever the case. And he still has an official visit scheduled.
 
Yankees32123 said:
We had this discussion last year with the whole Tevin Mack, Chris Clarke, Derrick Jones debacle. The best policy is whoever wants to commit first, gets the scholarship. But it's not like we are in a bind for scholarship openings right now. There are still plenty of spots to go around, so this shouldn't even be a discussion.
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JonnyRI said:
Gabriel is playing out the same way. Ollie needs to hit Jackson hard and lock him up. Gabriel ain't coming to storrs next fall. Get over it.
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Hum, looking at this more closely, it's completely not the same situation!!!!

I think KO wanted Derrick Jones the most but at a much earlier stage Jones clearly moved off of UConn and KO stopped pursuing him. The he got on Clarke and Mack late but never got enough traction.

KO has been on both these recruits for a long time. Now I don't know who KO preferred early on and who he preferred more when Gabriel begin to blow up. Remember Wenyen was ranked outside the top 100 or just inside it before he blew up. He had visited UConn many times. He's a NE recruit who's friends with a current UConn commit and another prospective recruit in Diallo. The only thing similar is that like Jones he's a long athletic wing or stretch-4 who's current skills are close to the basket and in transition, while the other recruits are more perimeter threats with more provent jumpshots. Jones dropped us well before this time of year while Gabriel still has an official visit in his plans, though that could change.

So the comparison couldn't be further from what's going on now!
 
superjohn said:
This thread has turned crazy.
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At least I'm posting about Jackson, unlike 50% of the recruiting posts that are about Pizza and completely other topics. :)

I'll put an end to this as far as my involvement with this topic. Just suprised that people have had such an issue with this and not just looked at it as a healthy debate/discussion.

I don't know, do some think that Jackson might read this forum and decide not to come because of this. That would be nuts, and not saying people are thinking such. Or maybe they feel I'm messing with all the good feelings of an impending commitment. He's going to decide based on his visit and interaction with the coaching staff, the players and his family.

Anyhow, I'm done with jumping in on this one any further.
 
The reaction is basically because you are being a buzzkill. We have an awesome recruit on campus who is supposedly very into Uconn. You are discussing holding out for a different awesome player that is supposedly giving Uconn very little consideration.
 
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walker11 said:
The reaction is basically because you are being a buzzkill. We have an awesome recruit on campus who is supposedly very into Uconn. You are discussing holding out for a different awesome player that is supposedly giving Uconn very little consideration.
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Wasn't my intention, but valid point.
 
DogMania said:
Just curious, JonnyRI, do you have some inside info? How do you know that Gabriel isn't committing here in the end? If he does, I hope you're willing to eat your pound of crow. Hum...you a PC fan. If so, why are you even in this discussion, but maybe I'm making an incorrect assumption here.

I've never said that Gabriel was coming here. Just would like him to though. We are in his top 3 or 5, whatever the case. And he still has an official visit scheduled.
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No reason to call a season ticket holder (go section 221) and lifelong UConn fan a PC because I live in RI. Crossed all sorts of lines with that.

On a serious note I just don't understand how anyone could not be fired up to get a top 50 (or for some on this board a top 51) recruit is visiting and totally trending to commit and instead at the same time whine about holding out for a guy who is trending toward ACC country. Would love Gabriel but would be just as happy with Jackson, especially if it means getting a guy who will be here for at least 2-3 years.
 
DogMania said:
Good points, David.

I'm a bit surprised that some seem to be hot and bothered that I brought this up. I've not said that I have any insider perspective. I've not said that Vance would be a bad fit or is not a good prospect. I've only shared my preference of Gabriel over Jackson and why..
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Dog, I'm not sure sure why people are reacting to your preference so strongly I guess being a little tone deaf to a feel good thread. But I think a couple of folks are coming at you a bit strong. This too shall pass.

I want to add that while WG wants to play the 3, it is not because, as someone posted, of his talent or comfort there. From anything I've seen. It is because he believes that will be better for his NBA career. He has every right to worry about his future, but we have every right to wonder about his ability to play defense at the 3.
 
NDakotaHusky said:
And for the record, the decision has already been made by the staff. If vance commits he's in.
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Exactly. The staff has offered. That means if he accepts, he is first up. There's no "taking" anyone over anyone else in this case.

And regardless, Gabriel doesn't even count while Vance does ;)
 
David 76 said:
Dog, I'm not sure sure why people are reacting to your preference so strongly I guess being a little tone deaf to a feel good thread. But I think a couple of folks are coming at you a bit strong. This too shall pass.

I want to add that while WG wants to play the 3, it is not because, as someone posted, of his talent or comfort there. From anything I've seen. It is because he believes that will be better for his NBA career. He has every right to worry about his future, but we have every right to wonder about his ability to play defense at the 3.
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It wasn't necessarily that DM said he would prefer WG over VJ - I think 90% of this board would say that given the choice of only 1. It was that he said he thinks we should essentially hold off on a commitment from Jackson until after Gabriel's visit next weekend. I'm not going to take as strong a stance against him saying this as other guys (although I do disagree with him), but let's get the facts straight as to why he is getting a hard time.

I don't know if its a Jackson or Gabriel situation and I certainly don't think Gabriel would be scared off by Jackson. As someone mentioned earlier, Durham is a much more comparable player to Gabriel than Jackson is. Additionally, I think this is all sort of a moot point, as all indications are that we don't have that great a shot at Gabriel anyway, and that we have a much better shot at Jackson.

Give me Jackson and then let's see how the Diallo situation plays out. If we don't get him or if he sticks in '17, I think we try to pick up another guard in the spring.
 
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Quite frankly - they are going all out for Vance - party tonight I am told. Make no mistake he is having a good time. Let's not over analyze - you take the best guys you can get - guys at his level always have other options after a verbal if things don't play out to their liking.
 
Chief00 said:
Quite frankly - they are going all out for Vance - party tonight I am told. Make no mistake he is having a good time. Let's not over analyze - you take the best guys you can get - guys at his level always have other options after a verbal if things don't play out to their liking.
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Say what's up to Andre for me.
 
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I'm not even sure the gap between Jackson and Gabriel is that big . Jackson has been at it , consensus NEAR top 50 recruit for what 3 years ? Him and maybe some nameless pg with upside to strengthen a weak guard core ... That would end as a top tier class regardless of what happens up top

2016 is loaded , if hamilton were 2016 he would probably land 35-50 ...
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
He's actually not sure if he hung out with Vance and them this weekend. He'll decide in a couple days.
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I always hate when I'm hanging out with somebody and then they go back in time and change their plans. Really puts me in a tough spot especially when it turns out they weren't even in the same section of the country.
 
champs99and04 said:
I always hate when I'm hanging out with somebody and then they go back in time and change their plans. Really puts me in a tough spot especially when it turns out they weren't even in the same section of the country.
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I would expect someone who doesn't understand the game to say that. Don't worry, there's room for fans like you too.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I would expect someone who doesn't understand the game to say that. Don't worry, there's room for fans like you too.
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But only if he spends the time to learn about the players on the team.
 
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