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Geno said something in his postgame presser that I found illuminating. Maybe it is not new but it is to me. It was about Nika. I don't know that he has come close to saying this before. " When she's on the floor she's the voice of our team Other people may think they are but they're not. " He went on to say everyone on the team listens to that voice. She knows what she's talking about and plays harder that everyone else on the team. You can understand why foul trouble for Nika is a serious team problem. Vocal leaders have been hard to come by in recent years. It is one big element that contributes to Geno saying we are a different team when Nika is out there.
Evina mentioned that as well about Nika and her being vocal out there and people listening to her. Evina also added that all of the players listen to each other, which is a huge plus. Nika does play hard out there, and I applaud her for that. Her energy & intensity is much needed.
 
Actually I was referring to CW and EW both of whom have had up and down seasons so far.............I'm not sure where all the anger is coming from because I simply pointed out that playing well against average talent doesn't mean as much as playing equally well against far better talent....... UConn wins championships when good players play great and when great players play great against the best competition.......I'd like to think everyone here is in agreement with that........
No anger. Just think some of what you are saying in the context of this year is not quite taking every thing into account and gives too little credit to the growing parity at the upper end of the game. . We slaughtered a .500 team yesterday with nowhere near the roster we expected. If you look at our losses, the only one that had us at relatively full strength was South Carolina. If you are focusing on EW and CW, they are really different cases. I’m guessing Westbrook is asking a lot of her legs to begin with and then got thrust into point guard role. Williams might be more of the case, but I think she isn’t exactly a dud and the reality is that her strong points make her more of a complementary player.
 
I think Ducharme is getting tired. She did not play this much in high school, and she has got to get used to it. Also, she took only nine shots when she has been taking 18 t0 20 shots a game. She sometimes misses more shots than eight but takes enough to score in the teens. She will be fine, especially when the other players return. As far as the way the team looks sometimes, ND looked terrible in a loss to Louisville the year they won the NC, worse than UConn did against Oregon. So, there is still hope for the Huskies.
Agreed, Donald, on all counts. The return of Paige to her top form and Azzi's expected rapid development are both open to conjecture, but I believe this edition of Olivia and the good version of Dorka could make the difference for this Huskies team... lots of ifs, for sure.

Regarding Caroline, it's very possible she's tired. If she goes as hard every day in practice as Geno says, and she probably wasn't one of those down with Covid, that means she's been playing aggressive basketball for nearly every day since the holidays. I hope she eventually settles into a 25-30 minutes per game routine, possibly more when she's having a good shooting game.

I'll add that I also believe she's got to be frustrated (as likely is Dorka) that, especially early in this game, she worked hard to get position in the lane and the only entry pass she received was from, who else, Liv.

We watched Napheesa scored countless points and draw countless fouls doing just what Caroline is trying to do. I hope her teammates (in addition to Liv) realize what an asset that can be for the Huskies. I'm not about to elevate Caroline to the lofty level Napheesa played at during her last couple of Huskies seasons, but I think she has the same in-the-paint instincts, she's actually a little taller, with long arms,and she's a great free throw shooter.... seems a recipe for success. All that, of course, is a moot point when the Huskies go with three bigs and she's got little room to maneuver near the basket.
 
Agreed, Donald, on all counts. The return of Paige to her top form and Azzi's expected rapid development are both open to conjecture, but I believe this edition of Olivia and the good version of Dorka could make the difference for this Huskies team... lots of ifs, for sure.

Regarding Caroline, it's very possible she's tired. If she goes as hard every day in practice as Geno says, and she probably wasn't one of those down with Covid, that means she's been playing aggressive basketball for nearly every day since the holidays. I hope she eventually settles into a 25-30 minutes per game routine, possibly more when she's having a good shooting game.

I'll add that I also believe she's got to be frustrated (as likely is Dorka) that, especially early in this game, she worked hard to get position in the lane and the only entry pass she received was from, who else, Liv.

We watched Napheesa scored countless points and draw countless fouls doing just what Caroline is trying to do. I hope her teammates (in addition to Liv) realize what an asset that can be for the Huskies. I'm not about to elevate Caroline to the lofty level Napheesa played at during her last couple of Huskies seasons, but I think she has the same in-the-paint instincts, she's actually a little taller, with long arms,and she's a great free throw shooter.... seems a recipe for success. All that, of course, is a moot point when the Huskies go with three bigs and she's got little room to maneuver near the basket.
I believe the same thing. Caroline, and everyone else, needs to get the ball everywhere when they have a mismatch.
 
No anger. Just think some of what you are saying in the context of this year is not quite taking every thing into account and gives too little credit to the growing parity at the upper end of the game. . We slaughtered a .500 team yesterday with nowhere near the roster we expected. If you look at our losses, the only one that had us at relatively full strength was South Carolina. If you are focusing on EW and CW, they are really different cases. I’m guessing Westbrook is asking a lot of her legs to begin with and then got thrust into point guard role. Williams might be more of the case, but I think she isn’t exactly a dud and the reality is that her strong points make her more of a complementary player.
well, that's my point........there's the Big East where parity comes in the form of mediocrity other than UConn and Depaul and then there's upper echelon parity where there are 25 teams that can beat the number one team on any given day.........when UConn plays well against a Big East team that's great but it's not a true test of where the team is at but how they play against a good team is more of a reality check......so while I take the results of every game into account, I'm far more interested in how the team performs against South Carolina than I am against Seton Hall...........at this point in the season, I'll take a six point loss to SC if UConn plays well over a 30 point win over Seton Hall any day......
 
Some thoughts on the Seton Hall game:
  • Another game, another short bench for the Huskies. It was really, really nice to see all 6 prime time UConn players involved and contributing tonight. Also nice to see Piath & Amari get some run tonight and do some nice things on the court.
  • This was a terrific game for Nika. She harassed SH’s Park-Lane relentlessly. After putting up 30 in two straight games, Nika dogged Park-Lane all night long, holding her without a FG in the 1st half. Nika’s 3 x 3’s were a really nice and somewhat unexpected bonus.
  • It was clear from the start of the game that SH planned to play Liv physically in the paint on D. That was just fine, particularly when Liv put Cooks on the bench in foul trouble.
  • Once again UConn didn’t shoot it well from the arc, particularly in the 1st half with Caroline sitting in foul trouble, but the Huskies made up for that with a great job crashing the boards for second chance points. UConn had 17 offensive rebounds in tonight's game.
  • This was not a mismatch of a game for Liv vs 6’4” Sidney Cooks, a former McD AA. She was fabulous tonight: 17 pts, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks. I am not quite sure just how much better Liv can play, but I’m perfectly willing to find out. :cool:
  • The formula right now for UConn, at least in the BE: tough defense + rebounding + grind it out offense = wins.
I think Edwards deserves a shout out. She played very well. I can't get out of my head that Geno ( in an interview ) remarked how Caroline, by far, is the one making all her shots in practice. And yet....in recent games...she can't buy a three. I agree it was great to see Piath and DeBerry. with some quality minutes. It does appear that the hard work put in by Piath is paying off. She seems ahead of DeBerry and really moves well up and down the court. Both seem somewhat unsure what to do on defense.
 
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It seems Gabriel is a one trick pony though. At least she knows what she is and does it. Positions herself well on the right side for that patented layup.
In the post game presser, Geno said Piath’s defense is ahead of her offense but if she gets the ball in the paint, she can get it up on the rim. He’s very pleased with how she’s progressing and, especially, her new work ethic
 
I think Ducharme is getting tired. She did not play this much in high school, and she has got to get used to it. Also, she took only nine shots when she has been taking 18 t0 20 shots a game. She sometimes misses more shots than eight but takes enough to score in the teens. She will be fine, especially when the other players return. As far as the way the team looks sometimes, ND looked terrible in a loss to Louisville the year they won the NC, worse than UConn did against Oregon. So, there is still hope for the Huskies.
Good point. It’s not unusual for freshmen to hit a wall in January. The dorms are still closed and the team is either on the road or in a hotel. It wears on young players

Still, it’s only one game. I wondered at one point last night if Geno wants the team to stop waiting for someone else to score and start thinking of being more offensive minded. Just passing the ball to Caroline and waiting for her to do something is just bad basketball
 
Great team response after a bad loss on Monday. Controlled pace, low turnovers, shut down opponents' top players and rebounded well. I thought both E and Nika showed great bounce back after getting the harshest critique from Geno after Oregon game. Put it behind them and both played like the team needed them to. Well co-ordinated efforts by all with more intentional ball movement on offense and good communication and energy on defense. Park Lane who had been on a roll was very frustrated in being forced to roll to the opposite of her preferred side and was then faced with one of our bigs. She never got into any rhythm, either did AEH.

Kudos to Nika for taking the shots when she had them, putting up seven attempts on threes and hitting on three of them. As a whole our offensive production still needs to continue to improve but with four out of five starters in double figures and the lone one not being Caroline (who has been our leading scorer recently) this was a good indicator we are moving in the right direction. Olivia continued playing at a really great level.

Interesting to hear Geno's take on Nika being the best communicator on the team and his observation as to how the team listens to her. That observation was picked up on by the press in the questioning of the players with both Olivia and Evina affirming it in their responses. Nika in response, for the first time I can recall in a presser, actually appeared a bit flustered and quickly redirected things to the team and that she always tries to bring energy. As you all know I love the kid, such a ball of energy, great teammate and a great personality. Missed her usual drop of a bit of humor during the presser although a smile began to break out a couple times.

Bring on the Johnies and continued good play!
Is there a link to Geno's SH post-game comments ? I have been looking but can't find a link.
 
So happy for ONO. She’s really in a nice place! Although I could do without her 3 point efforts! Can’t wait for the SC matchup to see how much she’s progressed!
 
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So you think it’s better to criticize players for lackluster performances against really good teams as well as undermining them for great games against weak teams?

UConn needs more fans like U…… :(
Apparently, posters are either in two camps: overly optimistic or can’t see the forest through the trees. Yes, it was positive the team played hard and played excellent defense last night. Should we expect any less? After all, it is the Big East and there is a huge disparity in the talent level between UConn and the rest of the league. After 11 national championships, dominating conference play is the norm. While last night was a step in a positive direction, the true measure of UConn is based on how they match up against the other national heavyweights.

Tomorrow, UConn should win easily against St Johns. SC will be the litmus test to see if the talent level (minus Paige & Azzi) is equal to other powerhouses. The size advantage UConn had against Seton Hall is negated against SC and they have depth on their roster too. Without consistent outside shooting, which UConn sorely lacks, it’s hard to envision UConn coming away with a victory. I’m not being negative, but looking at things realistically.

Moving forward, it’s great to see the team compete, not bemoan their circumstances and continue to fight. We dance with who we bring to the table. If and when the calvary arrives, the odds get recalculated. For now, this is the UConn team that moves forward.
 
In the post game presser, Geno said Piath’s defense is ahead of her offense but if she gets the ball in the paint, she can get it up on the rim. He’s very pleased with how she’s progressing and, especially, her new work ethic
Interesting comment, as I thought players coming into college had more of a challenge with defense.
 
Apparently, posters are either in two camps: overly optimistic or can’t see the forest through the trees. Yes, it was positive the team played hard and played excellent defense last night. Should we expect any less? After all, it is the Big East and there is a huge disparity in the talent level between UConn and the rest of the league. After 11 national championships, dominating conference play is the norm. While last night was a step in a positive direction, the true measure of UConn is based on how they match up against the other national heavyweights.

Tomorrow, UConn should win easily against St Johns. SC will be the litmus test to see if the talent level (minus Paige & Azzi) is equal to other powerhouses. The size advantage UConn had against Seton Hall is negated against SC and they have depth on their roster too. Without consistent outside shooting, which UConn sorely lacks, it’s hard to envision UConn coming away with a victory. I’m not being negative, but looking at things realistically.

Moving forward, it’s great to see the team compete, not bemoan their circumstances and continue to fight. We dance with who we bring to the table. If and when the calvary arrives, the odds get recalculated. For now, this is the UConn team that moves forward.
I think some on the BY are not so disappointed that UConn has been losing seeing the circumstances, the disappointment is in the way UConn has looked in losing. One of the reasons UConn won over so many people was the efficient, smooth way they ran their offense. It was a thing of beauty, even in the half court. Now, it struggles in the half court and UConn looks like any other team now. When Geno gets all the players he wants, we may see that again.
 
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Apparently, posters are either in two camps: overly optimistic or can’t see the forest through the trees. Yes, it was positive the team played hard and played excellent defense last night. Should we expect any less? After all, it is the Big East and there is a huge disparity in the talent level between UConn and the rest of the league. After 11 national championships, dominating conference play is the norm. While last night was a step in a positive direction, the true measure of UConn is based on how they match up against the other national heavyweights.

Tomorrow, UConn should win easily against St Johns. SC will be the litmus test to see if the talent level (minus Paige & Azzi) is equal to other powerhouses. The size advantage UConn had against Seton Hall is negated against SC and they have depth on their roster too. Without consistent outside shooting, which UConn sorely lacks, it’s hard to envision UConn coming away with a victory. I’m not being negative, but looking at things realistically.

Moving forward, it’s great to see the team compete, not bemoan their circumstances and continue to fight. We dance with who we bring to the table. If and when the calvary arrives, the odds get recalculated. For now, this is the UConn team that moves forward.
I generally agree with your assessment of this season. But I’m not sure I agree with the assessment that posters are either overly optimistic or can’t see the forest for the trees. I consider myself a reasonably knowledgeable basketball fan who can accurately assess the performance of the players.

There are lots of things that someone can find fault with UConn WBB if they so choose: weak conference schedule, struggle against top teams, player inconsistency, etc. I personally choose not to spend my time finding fault with these remarkable young ladies. I will support them in good times and bad. That doesn’t mean I’m naive. It is merely an indication of the type of fan that I choose to be.
 
Interesting comment, as I thought players coming into college had more of a challenge with defense.
She’s a sophomore so she’s had time to learn
 
In the post game presser, Geno said Piath’s defense is ahead of her offense but if she gets the ball in the paint, she can get it up on the rim. He’s very pleased with how she’s progressing and, especially, her new work ethic
I watch Piath closely when she enters. She is a secret candidate of mine to emerge as a star one day. So I am surprised to hear Geno say " her defense is ahead of her offense." Pleased but surprised. When I watched her against the Pirates she looked " lost " on defense I mean, she was in the right spot and had her arms up. But she defended little. Players drove by her easily on the baseline for lay-ups (often missed, but not due to her defense ). Anyway, I defer to coach. It is great to hear that she is working hard and that the effort is earning her court time. Have you heard him remark on DeBerry at all?
 
I read these comments and looked at the replay. Granted, The view is better at the game, but Amari wasn’t any slower than her teammates from my vantage point. She has an unusual running style Bb that may look like a jog to some, but she is covering just as much ground as her teammates. Evina was very complimentary in the post game presser; I choose to trust her judgment.
Respectfully, I disagree.
Yes Amari did a few good things.
But, when you’re a top 10 recruit and you are now the last player coming off the bench
it would behoove you to realize that a little extra hustle and commitment
would be in your and the team‘s best interest.
I’m not sure this realization has gotten through.

Some of the things that I noticed:
There was a play when she and Piath were side by side after a turnover.
Piath beat her down the court by 15 feet.
Bad footwork.
Hands not raised.
Low energy positioning to receive the ball at either side of the lane.
Standing flat footed while not challenging a Seton Hall player as she made a layup In front of her.

Geno has sent Amari multiple Auriemmagrams:
Plath is now getting in the game before her and playing more minutes.
Piath is getting more minutes because Geno says her work ethic has changed.
Geno has said that I’m old fashioned. Work hard and you get rewarded.
Don’t work hard and you don‘t get rewarded.
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I too trust Evina’s judgment.
No one on this team, especially Evina, would ever publicly criticize a teammate.
What Evina said was that the team has stuck together even the two players
who don’t get much playing time, Piath and Amari.
To slightly paraphrase - They’re staying engaged, keeping positive and they are fun on the team.
Evina made no specific reference or judgment on either player’s performance.
 
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So happy for ONO. She’s really in a nice place! Although I could do without her 3 point efforts! Can’t wait for the SC matchup to see how much she’s progressed!
She is playing well. I do recall when she hit several outside shots in a row ( Xavier? Butler?). And, to be a truly dangerous player, she needs to drain them. The sad ( frustrating ) thing is; since that one day, her shot from distance has been way off. Be prepared for the South Carolina game to be far more one-sided than the Oregon game. At least we'll have Williams back. But she won't have played in three weeks. Maybe CD will be more relaxed. I mean, the team is improving in fits and spurts, but we are ( without Paige and Azzi ) not at SC's level, by any means.
 
Respectfully, I disagree.
Yes Amari did a few good things.
But, when you’re a top 10 recruit and you are now the last player coming off the bench
it would behoove you to realize that a little extra hustle and commitment
would be in your and the team‘s best interest.
I’m not sure this realization has gotten through.

Some of the things that I noticed:
There was a play when she and Piath were side by side after a turnover.
Piath beat her down the court by 15 feet.
Bad footwork.
Hands not raised.
Low energy positioning to receive the ball at either side of the key.
Standing flat footed while not challenging a Seton Hall player as she made a layup In front of her.

Geno has sent Amari multiple Auriemmagrams:
Plath is now getting in the game before her and playing more minutes.
Piath is getting more minutes because Geno says her work ethic has changed.
Geno has said that I’m old fashioned. Work hard and you get rewarded.
Don’t work hard and you don‘t .get rewarded.

I too trust Evina’s judgment.
No one on this team, especially Evina, would ever publicly criticize a teammate.
What Evina said was that the team has stuck together even the two players
who don’t get much playing time, Piath and Amari.
To slightly paraphrase - They’re staying engaged, keeping positive and they are fun on the team.
Evina made no specific reference or judgment on either player’s performance.
I will point out, however, that among BIGs....Piath is one of the fastest I have ever seen getting up and down the court. So, by contrast, Amari ( even Liv) will look slow. The lingering question I have is " what is the back story on Amari at UCONN? " Early in the season, coach mentioned that she was "having trouble adjusting"...or words to that effect. So she got off to an exceptionally slow start. What was going on? No one has said a word ( and probably appropriately ). But Amari seems happy now. She smiles; she has energy on the bench; and she seems to appreciate her minutes, when they come. She does not show it like Nika Mühl shows it, but who does? I do concur, that a top ten recruit ( she was that high?) should show more. But maybe that ' slow start' has had an impact she still is working to overcome. Clearly, she is not playing with confidence. She has not yet showed any aspect of " I belong here and I can play here!"
 
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, I defer to coach. It is great to hear that she is working hard and that the effort is earning her court time. Have you heard him remark on DeBerry at all?
By not saying anything about Amari, he spoke volumes
 
She is playing well. I do recall when she hit several outside shots in a row ( Xavier? Butler?). And, to be a truly dangerous player, she needs to drain them. The sad ( frustrating ) thing is; since that one day, her shot from distance has been way off. Be prepared for the South Carolina game to be far more one-sided than the Oregon game. At least we'll have Williams back. But she won't have played in three weeks. Maybe CD will be more relaxed. I mean, the team is improving in fits and spurts, but we are ( without Paige and Azzi ) not at SC's level, by any means.
Such a different game today than in my era. I’d rather see her more proficient with the mid range jumper, opening up more up fakes and drives. JMO
 
Apparently, posters are either in two camps: overly optimistic or can’t see the forest through the trees. Yes, it was positive the team played hard and played excellent defense last night. Should we expect any less? After all, it is the Big East and there is a huge disparity in the talent level between UConn and the rest of the league. After 11 national championships, dominating conference play is the norm. While last night was a step in a positive direction, the true measure of UConn is based on how they match up against the other national heavyweights.

Tomorrow, UConn should win easily against St Johns. SC will be the litmus test to see if the talent level (minus Paige & Azzi) is equal to other powerhouses. The size advantage UConn had against Seton Hall is negated against SC and they have depth on their roster too. Without consistent outside shooting, which UConn sorely lacks, it’s hard to envision UConn coming away with a victory. I’m not being negative, but looking at things realistically.

Moving forward, it’s great to see the team compete, not bemoan their circumstances and continue to fight. We dance with who we bring to the table. If and when the calvary arrives, the odds get recalculated. For now, this is the UConn team that moves forward.
I don't see it as an either or. I think few expect our team with what is missing to win against SC. Would we be ecstatic if they do, of course? Will we belittle their efforts if they compete to the level they are able, I certainly hope not? At the beginning of the season, with all players available, the talk was that we were in the conversation to win the NC, along with SC and a couple others. To many of us we saw our chances as as good or somewhat better than the other contenders.

Missing the reigning best player in wcbb, the #1 recruit in the freshman class, a very athletic junior who was expected to make a greater impact this season, at least one starter from the second half of last season apparently struggling to fully overcome a nagging foot injury, a couple transfers and various players in covid protocol at times obviously changes the equation and expectations, wouldn't you say?

Wins would be great especially against quality opponents, that is something we almost expect as UCONN fans given the teams unprecedented historical success, but it shouldn't be win or bust. This group of players showing up and competing to the end, playing to the best of their abilities but coming up short should be applauded by us as fans as well. In that scenario, if these players play that way and play close at SC imagine what we would do against them at full strength.

Yes, Seton Hall or St. Johns are not SC but if our team plays really good games against those teams and builds on what they are doing well, let's applaud them for that. When we do so we are not living in denial imaging these wins equivalent to one against SC, we are affirming that these guys are going out there with a gameplay and successfully realizing it and in doing so each player is honing what they can bring to the mix when, hopefully, everybody is back and we make a final run at the end of the season.

From the Seton Hall postgame: “This is a very weird place we're at right now with people out, everything going on,” Muhl said. “We're going through hell, literally. But we're going to get through it.” And we are right there with you guys Nika!
 
Respectfully, I disagree.
Yes Amari did a few good things.
But, when you’re a top 10 recruit and you are now the last player coming off the bench
it would behoove you to realize that a little extra hustle and commitment
would be in your and the team‘s best interest.
I’m not sure this realization has gotten through.

Some of the things that I noticed:
There was a play when she and Piath were side by side after a turnover.
Piath beat her down the court by 15 feet.
Bad footwork.
Hands not raised.
Low energy positioning to receive the ball at either side of the lane.
Standing flat footed while not challenging a Seton Hall player as she made a layup In front of her.

Geno has sent Amari multiple Auriemmagrams:
Plath is now getting in the game before her and playing more minutes.
Piath is getting more minutes because Geno says her work ethic has changed.
Geno has said that I’m old fashioned. Work hard and you get rewarded.
Don’t work hard and you don‘t get rewarded.
.
I too trust Evina’s judgment.
No one on this team, especially Evina, would ever publicly criticize a teammate.
What Evina said was that the team has stuck together even the two players
who don’t get much playing time, Piath and Amari.
To slightly paraphrase - They’re staying engaged, keeping positive and they are fun on the team.
Evina made no specific reference or judgment on either player’s performance.
Have you considered the possibility that she may have long Covid and is not completely recovered? I would hesitate to criticize, given what has just taken place. Was she doing what you say she is doing before Xmas break?
 
I sense that Amari is still more in the long term plan. Piath is injury depth. Ice and Ayanna are in the mix as well as of course Edwards.
 
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