Seton Hall Post Game Thread

[Hans Sprungfeld]

We do not have a point guard on the roster.

Not one.

I hate that you're not wrong about this.

 

[bendm]

A lot of people claim our coaching staff can recruit talent, but how can you say that given what we are watching?

First time I’m questioning this myself. In his 5 years here who has he recruited that we’d actually want to see starting for us in a final four game? I’d argue Bouk and Clingan are it, maybe Cole...

Still waiting for Hurley to convince me he’s the right guy.

I was prob in the top 1% of Hurley supporters before we lost 5 in 6 and became the most underachieving team in school history. Now I’m firmly in the camp of if he doesn’t win a game this march, then I don’t care what he may or may not be able to do with next year’s #3 class, because as explained above, it prob won’t be as good as advertised.

 

[GotNets?]

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This what ya want?

Yeah not very inspiring — especially those two no shows — but decent assist/TO. Anyway, rag on it but we need trustworthy hands. It’s terrifying watching the ball come up the court right now.

 

[Excalibur]

Wow. Imagine this team if Cole stayed… or even if Gaff stayed. Hate all you want but he was a point guard…

It always bothered me that Hurley thought he could rebuild the backcourt from scratch — starting with zero guards — during the offseason. It just seemed reckless, like poor risk management. I thought I was dead wrong when the season started.

Gaffney is a smaller, worse version of Newton.

 

[HuskyFich]

Yeah not very inspiring — especially those two no shows — but decent assist/TO. Anyway, rag on it but we need trustworthy hands. It’s terrifying watching the ball come up the court right now.

Diarra has earned more playing time. I trust him more than anyone else.

Can’t believe I actually typed that.

 

[Sportsfan71]

no point Guard kills... also Hopkins MIA after 2 threes

Who’s Hopkins

 

[housekeys]

If one of our players pump fakes, I'll faint.

If one of our players pump fakes, it will be called a travel.

 

[MrSec224]

For the record, I hate that I Like this post.

I'd much rather just dismiss it by criticizing the sarcastic sentence about the refs, and calling out the exaggeration of "one iota of heart."

Find me the lie

 

[Drfla]

Did you watch Clingan in the second half? Total disaster.

Clingan +11
Sanogo -12

all you need to know. It’s been this way 5 of the last 6 games.

 

[Drfla]

You think during the game Luke Murray is thinking to himself with 3 minutes left in a one possession game… “what did Hurley plan for here?”

Luke was responsible for subs, Luke was responsible for defensive scheme changes. Luke was responsible for keeping Diarra on the bench too much tonight, and Clingan on the bench for the final defensive possession.

Hurley is responsible for the team, but not for the outcome tonight.

Why do you think Diarra should play more. He had 2 points, 1 assist and took 2 horrible 3 point shots in 15 minutes. And he should play more.also committed 4 fouls in 15 minutes.

 

[HuskyFich]

Why do you think Diarra should play more. He had 2 points, 1 assist and took 2 horrible 3 point shots in 15 minutes. And he should play more.also committed 4 fouls in 15 minutes.

Tell me who else pushes the ball and initiates ball movement?

His defense intensity alone garners more minutes.

But we’re choosing between imperfect pieces here, there’s isn’t a clear answer to the PG woes

 

[AdamaNation]

this team has lost any semblance of the chemistry and resolve it had before conference play. Everyone needs to do some soul searching.

Each game gets tighter for them to win too. Winning this by a point or two would have been good for these guys. I’ve never witnessed anything like we’re seeing right now. Alleyne not playing much may say something too though ,I’m irresponsibly guessing here. I’d almost say take the next days to just watch film and shoot around real easy like, cause we looked totally labotomised(?). I feel the pressure these guys have. It’s toxic.

 

[Fishy]

Wait, does that mean Sanogos minutes aren’t changing under your leadership?

I thought about just putting four guys out there, but I have been convinced that I cannot bench everyone.

 

[AdamaNation]

How can you not play one single possession of zone in the second half? Seton Hall is an incredibly weak team and we let them hang around and eventually steal the game. That was an absolute embarrassment.

Everyone realizes Tom Moore was calling the defense tonight right? He’s a maestro. UConn legend on the bench. Why wouldn’t he zone?

 

[AdamaNation]

First time I’m questioning this myself. In his 5 years here who has he recruited that we’d actually want to see starting for us in a final four game? I’d argue Bouk and Clingan are it, maybe Cole...

I was prob in the top 1% of Hurley supporters before we lost 5 in 6 and became the most underachieving team in school history. Now I’m firmly in the camp of if he doesn’t win a game this march, then I don’t care what he may or may not be able to do with next year’s #3 class, because as explained above, it prob won’t be as good as advertised.

Who says that team stays at #3? We keep this up we may be facing a 2016 situation and that scares me cause the last guy at least got us a ring and conference title in 16.

 

[UCFan1513]

Everyone realizes Tom Moore was calling the defense tonight right? He’s a maestro. UConn legend on the bench. Why wouldn’t he zone?

Probably because the team has only practiced a Swiss cheese 1-3-1

 

[superjohn]

We have a collection of unaffiliated parts on the court.

We do not have a point guard. We do not really have a true shooting guard - Hawkins is something close, but he’s something of a catch and shoot type with very little else to offer. I don’t know what Newton, Diarra, Alleyne and California are at this point aside from just generally being misfit portal part rentals.

Karaban and Clingan are freshmen. Sanogo doesn’t know if he wants to be a power forward or a wing. Jackson is everything and nothing.

At this point, I’d just bench Karaban and play Clingan. Let Newton run the point - let Jackson just do whatever he can figure out to do. Remind Sanogo that the ball will not explode if he passes it back out. Stop telling Hawkins he’s Ray Allen when he’s not.

You want Karaban benched? I agree he's playing too many minutes but he's one of the only guys playing the right way. Moving the ball, cutting, getting open for the proper shots. Sanogo missed him at least 4 times when Karaban was begging for the ball and Adama was looking right at him. His defense is also getting better, he was the one down low in the last couple minutes making defensive plays. Sanogo needs to be benched, he was laughably bad today and he's been outplayed in 7 of the 9 Big East games.

 

[connVA]

I thought about just putting four guys out there, but I have been convinced that I cannot bench everyone.

Frankly, at this point I'd like to see a lineup of Newton, Diarra, Alleyne, and Jackson with Sanogo, if only for the comic relief of watching a big get quintuple-teamed while the other four stand around helplessly on the perimeter shrugging their shoulders

 

[Drfla]

Thats exactly it. When you turn it over 12 times, your bigs forget how to control the paint on both ends, you cant hit a gimmie, your conference player of the year refuses to dunk, you have your best scorer taking an abysmal deep 3 while up a possession, you dont have Clingan in to grab the most important rebound of the game, Sanogo refuses to foul up 1 with 5 seconds to play and allows a guy to get a layup….

But yeah the refs are the reason we lost. People need to look in the mirror and realize this team is underperforming in every aspect of the game. If you dont think thats the issue then nothing can be said to prove you wrong. We let every opponent play the style they want and we have not proven we have one iota of heart in the last 3 weeks

Frankly, at this point I'd like to see a lineup of Newton, Diarra, Alleyne, and Jackson with Sanogo, if only for the comic relief of watching a big get quintuple-teamed while the other four stand around helplessly on the perimeter shrugging their shoulders

And the big still wouldn’t be able to find someone to pass to

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Find me the lie

There's no lie to find.

I was agreeing with you.

I dislike that I found what you wrote to be essentially true, because it means I have to accept the pain that goes with facing uncomfortable realities.

None of that is against you.

Your sarcasm about the refs might give me some cheap hit of comfort, and might lessen the upset, but to what good purpose? None.

And I can also see more than "not one iota of heart," but it's still not all that good. Again, that's no personal criticism of you.

What you wrote forced me to face feelings I dislike. I'd rather not.

I couldn't feel the full effect without noting where I had less than full agreement with you. I really truly wish I didn't agree with you. I wish I were watching a team that played well and won games. I'm pretty sure you feel that way too.

 

[NickDanger]

Luke Murray and Tom Moore. Dan Hurley was not coaching tonight

But it is Hurley who keeps relying on Sanogo

 

[auror]

Between the missed layup and this effort… start Clingan

1) Yeah Sanogo has to do better. Try to help with the boxout that Andre was attempting.

2) This angle just makes me so annoyed about how unlucky it was. The shot literally drops straight down directly into the hands of the only player on their team on the inside of 4 of our guys. Even if it's a long rebound, there's only 2 seconds left and there may not have been enough time to even get a decent shot off.

 

[Orc]

You want Karaban benched? I agree he's playing too many minutes but he's one of the only guys playing the right way. Moving the ball, cutting, getting open for the proper shots. Sanogo missed him at least 4 times when Karaban was begging for the ball and Adama was looking right at him. His defense is also getting better, he was the one down low in the last couple minutes making defensive plays. Sanogo needs to be benched, he was laughably bad today and he's been outplayed in 7 of the 9 Big East games.

Agreed. He has regressed significantly. Hope his performance early in the season is good enough to get him drafted in some league in europe.

 

[MrSec224]

There's no lie to find.

I was agreeing with you.

I dislike that I found what you wrote to be essentially true, because it means I have to accept the pain that goes with facing uncomfortable realities.

None of that is against you.

Your sarcasm about the refs might give me some cheap hit of comfort, and might lessen the upset, but to what good purpose? None.

And I can also see more than "not one iota of heart," but it's still not all that good. Again, that's no personal criticism of you.

What you wrote forced me to face feelings I dislike. I'd rather not.

I couldn't feel the full effect without noting where I had less than full agreement with you. I really truly wish I didn't agree with you. I wish I were watching a team that played well and won games. I'm pretty sure you feel that way too.

Yes I have stayed positive until this point. Today I have nothing positive left to give. I appreciate you and everyone else here for giving me an outlet to spew vitriol

 

[Icehawk]

I wonder how much of a leash the coaches had tonight to go with their own game plan? I'm guessing not much based on the rotations and lack of DC in the final moments as a rim protector.