Season win over/unders

[Husky25]

Over / under? 8

I think an over/under that will give you move action would be 6.5 or 7. I think 8 is the ceiling.

 

[Husky25]

I'm pretty sure the move to 1A was all set and Edsall was brought in to take us to the promised land.

They were nothing alike. One was implementing a ten year plan to scrap everything and build from scratch. Facilities, fanbase, schedule, roster, recruiting, everything down to, yes, the logo and uniforms.

The other inherited a BCS conference champ and for want of a QB, was tasked with taking the reins without the risk of backsliding that a young coach/coordinator might have wrought.

Coach Edsall was a young assistant looking to make his name as a head coach.

Coach Pasqualoni is a retread with nothing more to offer any team/program, let alone a growing program coming off a BCS Bowl game. The Cowboys were probably all too happy he left.

 

[Excalibur]

in Edsall's first two seasons, the move to 1-A was essentially on it's death bed for much of the time and hit way more road blocks, than smooth pavement.

This is simply not the case. There was some uncertainty in 1999, but by the time we kicked off in 2000 everything was determined.

I grew frustrated with Edsall in his last two seasons and felt that his teams started losing games that they should have won due to his failure to adapt, but the situation that he was brought into and that which P inherited are not close, and it is pointless to argue otherwise. P was an established head coach brought in to be a caretaker for a program at a crossroads in its development. Edsall was a new coach (no head coaching experience) who was expected to learn on the job while establishing a foundation for success.

 

[Carl Spackler]

I'm pretty sure the move to 1A was all set and Edsall was brought in to take us to the promised land.

Randy Edsall was hired shortly after Skip Holtz left for South Carolina in December 1998. Between 1997 and his hiring in 1999, the plans for upgrading to 1-A had essentially gone down the drain form BOT official approval, and were on life support - essentially on hold, while a very few people scrambled to try to make it happen. Randy Edsall was not one of them. UCONN missed the contracted date for entry into the Big East conference in summer of 1998, because the stadium plans had fallen apart. It would be two full years of chaos and uncertainty before the upgrade was official in 2000. There was no guarantee at all in Edsall's first two seasons that we would ever play a 1-A football game.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Coach Edsall was a young assistant looking to make his name as a head coach.

Coach Pasqualoni is a retread with nothing more to offer any team/program, let alone a growing program coming off a BCS Bowl game. The Cowboys were probably all too happy he left.

I agree - the two coaches are yin and yang. Complete opposites. (they actually did work together at one point at Syracuse too)

But the situations they each inherited at UCONN, were remarkably similar - even to the constantly changing conference schedules - and uncertainty as to revenue streams, post season, etc. The difference is one inherited a 1-AA program, the other inherited a 1-A program. The fact that Edsall was the same coach that inherited the 1-AA program, and then passed on the 1-A program, is irrelevant.

 

[Carl Spackler]

This is simply not the case. There was some uncertainty in 1999, but by the time we kicked off in 2000 everything was determined.

I grew frustrated with Edsall in his last two seasons and felt that his teams started losing games that they should have won due to his failure to adapt, but the situation that he was brought into and that which P inherited are not close, and it is pointless to argue otherwise. P was an established head coach brought in to be a caretaker for a program at a crossroads in its development. Edsall was a new coach (no head coaching experience) who was expected to learn on the job while establishing a foundation for success.

Some uncertainty? That's what you would call it? From the time Edsall was hired, to the special session of the CT General Assembly in summer of 2000, is a year and half. Not two years. I stand corrected on that. Everything else is accurate.

 

[sportsart]

Type Randy Edsall hired UConn in Google and check out Courant timeline.

 

[whaler11]

One clarification. UConn didn't go 6-6 with Orlovsky as a freshman. He was a sophmore.


If P turns it around and wins all will be forgotten. To compare his job to Edsall's is just stupid though.

Edsall's competition improved. P got to so things like trade WVU for Temple and SDSU for Memphis.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Type Randy Edsall hired UConn in Google and check out Courant timeline.

and? it took a special general assembly vote called by Rowland in summer 2000, to get Rentschler field approved on the coat tails of the adrien's landing, Hartford vitalization stuff, otherwise fall 2000 was NOT going to be our first 1-A season, and we may never have had the opportunity to move up again. If that vote and the funding for a stadium not been pushed through the General Assembly that summer, we would not have played a game recognized as 1-A that fall, and we may have never played a 1-A game.

It was that close to never happening. We were in serious SHIITE that summer. (edit: for those that are concerned about the dates: May 2, 2000 at 3:40 am. That's when the CT senate and house approved the necessary legislation for UCONN to move to 1-A around having a facility, and football officially became reality and nothing Randy Edsall did had anything to do with it.)

If you don't believe me, fine. I'm done talking about it, been over this many times. I'm much more interested in fall 2013.

 

[Husky25]

I agree - the two coaches are yin and yang. Complete opposites. (they actually did work together at one point at Syracuse too)

But the situations they each inherited at UCONN, were remarkably similar - even to the constantly changing conference schedules - and uncertainty as to revenue streams, post season, etc. The difference is one inherited a 1-AA program, the other inherited a 1-A program. The fact that Edsall was the same coach that inherited the 1-AA program, and then passed on the 1-A program, is irrelevant.

Another difference is one coach seemed to design his game plan to take advantage of his teams' talents. The other seemed to keep on trying one thing with consistently inconsistent results.

The cries of underwhelming talent will either be proven right or silenced forever. This is year 3. Time for results.

 

[Carl Spackler]

One clarification. UConn didn't go 6-6 with Orlovsky as a freshman. He was a sophmore.


If P turns it around and wins all will be forgotten. To compare his job to Edsall's is just stupid though.

Edsall's competition improved. P got to so things like trade WVU for Temple and SDSU for Memphis.

I admit my dates have been off a bit. It's been well over a decade. All I know is that the situations that Edsall and Pasqualoni inherited at UCONN were remarkably similar except that one inherited a 1-AA program, the other inherited a 1-A program. I also was clear in the first thing I said about this -SIMILAR IN THEIR FIRST YEARS. I've also been clear that until the General assembly finally approved the stadium plans and funding, we were litearlly weeks away from having to back down from 1-A football. Not a choice mind you, we would NOT have been recognized as a 1-A program in 2000. There was no guarantee that vote was going to go in UCONN's favor. many prior votes had gone against.

Whaler - you're the only guy that I'm going to back to this for. 2013 is all that matters now.

 

[whaler11]

I admit my dates have been off a bit. It's been well over a decade. All I know is that the situations that Edsall and Pasqualoni inherited at UCONN were remarkably similar except that one inherited a 1-AA program, the other inherited a 1-A program. I also was clear in the first thing I said about this -SIMILAR IN THEIR FIRST YEARS. I've also been clear that until the General assembly finally approved the stadium plans and funding, we were litearlly weeks away from having to back down from 1-A football. Not a choice mind you, we would NOT have been recognized as a 1-A program in 2000. There was no guarantee that vote was going to go in UCONN's favor. many prior votes had gone against.

Whaler - you're the only guy that I'm going to back to this for. 2013 is all that matters now.

Oh I agree. If he wins going forward I don't care about 2011 or 2012.

 

[sportsart]

I guess my whole point has been RE was brought in for the move up and not because Skip left.

While you have given some valid points I don't remember it being so iffy when RE was hired. Of course time certainly taints the memory.

By the way....I'm not a PP fan at all but I'm rooting for 8 wins and momentum into 2014 and an AAC championship...with PP at the helm.

 

[whaler11]

I guess my whole point has been RE was brought in for the move up and not because Skip left.

While you have given some valid points I don't remember it being so iffy when RE was hired. Of course time certainly taints the memory.

By the way....I'm not a PP fan at all but I'm rooting for 8 wins and momentum into 2014 and an AAC championship...with PP at the helm.

Skip resigned. He could have stayed and done the dirty work. The combination of sick mother and opportunity at South Carolina is tough to argue against.

 

[sportsart]

Skip resigned. He could have stayed and done the dirty work. The combination of sick mother and opportunity at South Carolina is tough to argue against.

So you are saying Skip could have stayed and taken the program to 1A? My memory is really bad then because I can't remember one article or discussion on this board that Skip had the option to stay.

But what the hell do I know.

 

[whaler11]

So you are saying Skip could have stayed and taken the program to 1A? My memory is really bad then because I can't remember one article or discussion on this board that Skip had the option to stay.

But what the hell do I know.

Well he didn't get fired so why wouldn't he been able to? They had just had their best season in history - why would they replace him?

 

[Excalibur]

Some uncertainty? That's what you would call it? From the time Edsall was hired, to the special session of the CT General Assembly in summer of 2000, is a year and half. Not two years. I stand corrected on that. Everything else is accurate.

Everything was finalized before the beginning of his second season as coach. We had a waiver of NCAA attendance and stadium requirements before Edsall ever coached a game.

 

[Excalibur]

So you are saying Skip could have stayed and taken the program to 1A?

Yes.

 

[sportsart]

Well he didn't get fired so why wouldn't he been able to? They had just had their best season in history - why would they replace him?

No argument here. I guess it was never discussed, to my recollection, so the ASSumption in my mind was made. Not the first and won't be the last.

Wonder how things would have turned out.....

 

[whaler11]

No argument here. I guess it was never discussed, to my recollection, so the ASSumption in my mind was made. Not the first and won't be the last.

Wonder how things would have turned out.....

Hard to say. I wouldn't be shocked if he is back some day.

 

[sportsart]

No argument here. I guess it was never discussed, to my recollection, so the ASSumption in my mind was made. Not the first and won't be the last.

Wonder how things would have turned out.....

Just wanted to point out what I did here since it doesn't happen too often around here. I admitted I was wrong. Just an FYI, in case you've never seen it before, that's what it looks like.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Skip resigned. He could have stayed and done the dirty work. The combination of sick mother and opportunity at South Carolina is tough to argue against.

I guess my whole point has been RE was brought in for the move up and not because Skip left.

While you have given some valid points I don't remember it being so iffy when RE was hired. Of course time certainly taints the memory.

By the way....I'm not a PP fan at all but I'm rooting for 8 wins and momentum into 2014 and an AAC championship...with PP at the helm.

AAC championship and the Orange Bowl dude. That's what I want.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Just wanted to point out what I did here since it doesn't happen too often around here. I admitted I was wrong. Just an FYI, in case you've never seen it before, that's what it looks like.

Ha. I almost did the same thing (admitted I was wrong). Almost. May 2, 2000 @ 3:40 am after the senate and house CTGA votes were tallied. That's when the move to 1-A football changed from a potential change in the athletic department, to a plan in reality. I was wrong about other dates.

 

[whaler11]

Looking at the win total by building up by win probabilities:

Towson 95%
Maryland 55%
Michigan 15%
Buffalo 75%
USF 80%
Cinci 20%
UCF 30%
Louisville 20%
SMU 60%
Temple 60%
Rutgers 40%
Memphis 90%

I come to 5.85 which mostly jives with what looks like more money coming in on the over to start.

My Buffalo % might be light but the others don't seem conservative to me. That's a pretty tough slate.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Looking at the win total by building up by win probabilities:

Towson 95%
Maryland 55%
Michigan 15%
Buffalo 75%
USF 80%
Cinci 20%
UCF 30%
Louisville 20%
SMU 60%
Temple 60%
Rutgers 40%
Memphis 90%

I come to 5.85 which mostly jives with what looks like more money coming in on the over to start.

My Buffalo % might be light but the others don't seem conservative to me. That's a pretty tough slate.

Are there people really betting on how many games UCONN will win this year?

 

[Husky25]

So you are saying Skip could have stayed and taken the program to 1A? My memory is really bad then because I can't remember one article or discussion on this board that Skip had the option to stay.

But what the hell do I know.

Skip was not forced out in anyway shape or form. He lead UConn to the I-AA playoff for the first time his final year and won the school's first playoff game. He resigned 2 days after UConn lost to Georgia Southern, who I believe were defending 1AA champs that year and made the championship game the year they beat UConn.

 

[whaler11]

Are there people really betting on how many games UCONN will win this year?

Of course there are. Them and the other 60 teams with numbers published.

 

[whaler11]

Skip was not forced out in anyway shape or form. He lead UConn to the I-AA playoff for the first time his final year and won the school's first playoff game. He resigned 2 days after UConn lost to Georgia Southern, who I believe were defending 1AA champs that year and made the championship game the year they beat UConn.

Losing to a team UConn beat twice in two of the craziest games UConn ever played.

 

[Husky25]

Are there people really betting on how many games UCONN will win this year?

Why not, It's certainly on the board in Vegas.

Connecticut Over 5.5 (-140)
Under 5.5 (+100)

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...rst-2013-college-football-win-totals-released

Interesting that the under is even money (not counting vig) but you have to put up $140 to win 100 for the over. That tells me the line is set too low.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Everything was finalized before the beginning of his second season as coach. We had a waiver of NCAA attendance and stadium requirements before Edsall ever coached a game.

I agree - my numbers were off the top of my head. I wrote 2001 instead of 2000, and have since corrected myself. You are correct, we had a waiver, the waiver was set up well before Edsall's arrival. The waiver was expired for 2000 fall though, and as of end of April 2000, the entire stadium project was at a standstill, becuase the CT budget and adriean's landing project was at a classic government impasse. What the legislation was voting for at that point was irrelevant, it was all the side deals that weren't right.

If that early morning session about a week later in 2000, hadn't turned out the way it had - all we had for fall 2000, was an expired waiver, as we were supposed to be an official 1-A program that fall, and up to that point, we had not one, not two, but THREE different multiple stage planning attempts for a 1-A regulation stadium since 1997, that had been shot down in one fashion or another. Without a plan for a stadium in place by fall 2000, the NCAA was not prepared to recognize UCONN as a 1-A football program.

That's where we were. No way to know or predict what may have happened had the budget not passed, or if it had been dragged out into the fall. Doesn't matter, because It didn't happen, but safe to say, we would have been in a very difficult spot to justify the move to 1-A football - to anyone.