Season win over/unders

[Marty Jackson]

Does this mean you usually give 110%?

nope. you missed my follow-up quote where I mentioned the other half would prefer P not win any games.

 

[whaler11]

and I think there are people that will never give P credit if he wins 8 games.

Probably true some never gave Edsall credit

 

[ruskin]

6 should be a layup if TJ Weist makes any type of improvement at all. Memphis, Towson, Buffalo have to be wins. Temple lost their coach and RB, we have to beat Temple this year. Beat USF at home and win one other game and we have 6.

On another note, this year will decide whether P was "killing the program" or GDL was just killing the offense. The Defense has been very, very good under P and P has had some solid wins, this year is- the referendum. It's not like Edsall was always over .500 at UCONN. Edsall's program was 74 - 70 overall and 4 games under 500 in conference. That's the benchmark.

Disagree. Edsall 9,8,8,8 wins in last 4 years with bowl every year. That's the benchmark.

 

[BoatShow]

Honestly, 3-9 wouldn't surprise me and 10-2 wouldn't surprise. Team should be interesting.

 

[metsfan2323]

Disagree. Edsall 9,8,8,8 wins in last 4 years with bowl every year. That's the benchmark.

I like your style, only remember the good years. I assume that means if P wins 8 this year we can forget about his first two years.

 

[whaler11]

I like your style, only remember the good years. I assume that means if P wins 8 this year we can forget about his first two years.

Yeah if P starts ripping off good seasons yes of course they will be forgotten.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I like your style, only remember the good years. I assume that means if P wins 8 this year we can forget about his first two years.

I'm not gonna bring up the trailers line....but can we please stop pretending that P and Edsall's first 2 years here even remotely resembled each other's?

It's odd how much support P has considering what he's done the last 2 years.

 

[ruskin]

I like your style, only remember the good years. I assume that means if P wins 8 this year we can forget about his first two years.

Your point implies that P and E started on equal footings and there's no way you can compare UConn of 1999-2002 to the UConn of 2011 and 2012 that P was gifted with. From 2003 to 2010, Edsall won at least 8 games every year but two and went to a bowl every year except three (remember when 9-3 wasn't good enough for a bowl?).

8 wins and a bowl is the benchmark that Edsall himself set.

 

[ruskin]

It's odd how much support P has considering what he's done the last 2 years.

Like playing whack-a-mole with these P guys. Last year you didn't have to wait long (NC State) for them to crawl back into their shell. If defense stays anywhere near last year's level I'll be happy to give P credit. Just want Weist to get a free a hand as possible.

 

[metsfan2323]

...but can we please stop pretending that P and Edsall's first 2 years here even remotely resembled each other's?

I completely agree with you. The schedule Edsall faced his first few years was much easier then P's and the record was worse. I'm sure there were many posting messages that Edsall should be fired after his first two years.

and I'm a P supporter that had the Don Brown for head coach avatar all of last December. My position at the end of the season was that either GDL goes or they both go. I'll settle for the GDL demotion.

My beef with alot of you is a failure to understand the negativity in an offseason at a point when it serves no purpose. If you can't be optimistic this time of year as a sports fan it probably means you need to find a new hobby. The TJ Weist hiring gave me reason to believe so I'll choose to not do any bitching until after the first loss. If we lose to Towson the Don Brown Avatar will be back. I Promise.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I completely agree with you. The schedule Edsall faced his first few years was much easier then P's and the record was worse. I'm sure there were many posting messages that Edsall should be fired after his first two years.

I hope you're busting my balls. Because you can't be serious with that post.

 

[ruskin]

I completely agree with you. The schedule Edsall faced his first few years was much easier then P's and the record was worse.

Yeah, you're right should have canned Edsall after 2001. Beautiful stadium, facility, 85 scholarship players, no excuse losing to Temple 56-7. Oh wait. . . .

 

[metsfan2323]

I hope you're busting my balls. Because you can't be serious with that post.

What part of my statement do you not agree with? Edsall's first two years were basically 1aa schedules and the record was worse. Facts are facts. I bet if Skip had stayed we would have had a better record in 99 and 2ooo but Edsall had to come in and blow everything up much like he did at Maryland.

 

[sportsart]

What part of my statement do you not agree with? Edsall's first two years were basically 1aa schedules and the record was worse. Facts are facts. I bet if Skip had stayed we would have had a better record in 99 and 2ooo but Edsall had to come in and blow everything up much like he did at Maryland.

I gave you a like on your previous post about the negativity portion of your post and let the Edsall portion of the post slide.

But if you think Edsall was a bad coach his first 2 years you are unaware of what it takes to build a PROGRAM and not a team.

I think even many Edsall detractors would agree that Edsall was the right choice to set the table.

Skip....really?

 

[metsfan2323]

I gave you a like on your previous post about the negativity portion of your post and let the Edsall portion of the post slide.

But if you think Edsall was a bad coach his first 2 years you are unaware of what it takes to build a PROGRAM and not a team.

I think even many Edsall detractors would agree that Edsall was the right choice to set the table.

Skip....really?

In Hindsight yes!....but what were people posting after the 99 season? Facts are facts. In 98 with Holtz we beat Hofstra, URI and UMASS, in 99 with Edsall we got our doors blown off by all three, that's a fact you can look it up. Edsall "killed the program" that season.

Edit, sorry Edsall beat URI in 1999 he lost to them in 2000, I remembered wrong. Its actually worse that he lost to them in year two of his tenure at home no less.

and I didn't post this to kill Edsall. The fact is he struggled initially and then turned it around, hopefully P can do the same.

 

[Dann]

I'm with @ruskin on this.

RE built and built to the point where he hit a wall but that wall was 8 wins a year. What he left for P was a year 1 6-8 win team that P could then do building to his liking. P won back to back 5's. end of story.

The schedule this year has townson and Memphis on it. USF and temple will not be good. Buffalo and SMU are not top 75 teams either. Those 6 are must wins and frankly together a horrible SOS bottom half of the schedule. We have the power 4 all at home and Cincy and UCF on the road as competitive games. 6 wins is a horrible year with this schedule. It gets a bowl game but honestly its worse than last year when u look at it.

8 or 9 wins depending on who the losses were, how good md and Michigan turn out to be and what tjw does to the offense or isn't allowed to do.

We used to be in a BCS conference. We should measure ourselves vs BCS teams. How we do vs the power 4 and Cincy and USF will be the tell. USF is a layup and the others we win only if P decides he wants to coach here for longer. We have 7 non BCS schools of the past on the schedule. I'll be nice and say UCF is a quality game because they should be good.

 

[sportsart]

In Hindsight yes!....but what were people posting after the 99 season? Facts are facts. In 98 with Holtz we beat Hofstra, URI and UMASS, in 99 with Edsall we got our doors blown off by all three, that's a fact you can look it up. Edsall "killed the program" that season.

Edit, sorry Edsall beat URI in 1999 he lost to them in 2000, I remembered wrong. Its actually worse that he lost to them in year two of his tenure.

Wins or losses meant nothing in the first few years. It was building a new program with the right people, meaning you lose a few battles to win the war.

It is night and day to compare Edsall's first 2 years with PP's. It's apples and iphones, not even apples and oranges.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I seriously cannot comprehend how anyone can compare transition years to D1A and two seasons following a BCS in the same context. It defies logic.

 

[metsfan2323]

Wins or losses meant nothing in the first few years. It was building a new program with the right people, meaning you lose a few battles to win the war.

again this is hindsight. If in two years Lagow is putting up 35 a game throwing bombs to Lemelle, then in Hindsight we can say P was just building something his first two years and wins and losses didn't matter.

 

[metsfan2323]

I seriously cannot comprehend how anyone can compare transition years to D1A and two seasons following a BCS in the same context. It defies logic.

If you cannot comprehend wins one year and then losses the next year against the same teams as being a fallback then you are weak minded. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

If you cannot comprehend wins one year and then losses the next year against the same teams as being a fallback then you are weak minded. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Calling me feeble minded when your only point of analysis is wins and losses, while ignoring context and the circumstances of those records is pretty funny.

You can't even call it analyzing the situations, because it's apparent to anyone with half a brain that a transitioning program is graded on a different level than one coming off a conference championship that has put a handful of guys in the NFL the past two seasons.

 

[metsfan2323]

You can't even call it analyzing the situations, because it's apparent to anyone with half a brain that a transitioning program is graded on a different level than one coming off a conference championship that has put a handful of guys in the NFL the past two seasons.

There was no transition in the schedule from 98 to 99, it was basically the same. The fact that we were upgrading would lead me to think we should have won big in 1999, doesn't upgrading mean improving? In 2000 our big and bad upgrading program lost to URI at home. Was that part of Edsall's master plan?

You Edsall strokers are a comical bunch. I don't hate the guy, but in my world he doesn't walk on water the way he seems to do with some of you.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

There was no transition in the schedule from 98 to 99, it was basically the same. The fact that we were upgrading would lead me to think we should have won big in 1999, doesn't upgrading mean improving? In 2000 our big and bad upgrading program lost to URI at home. Was that part of Edsall's master plan?

You Edsall strokers are a comical bunch. I don't hate the guy, but in my world he doesn't walk on water the way he seems to do with some of you.

Go ahead keep embarrassing yourself.

 

[Dann]

Mets how old are you? Do you have any clue what was going on roster wise those 2 seasons?

I'm not a RE fan but I am straight forward with what he did here.

Clown on.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I seriously cannot comprehend how anyone can compare transition years to D1A and two seasons following a BCS in the same context. It defies logic.

Me neither. But there is mets2323.......keeping on it, openly defying common sense.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Actually, Edsall and P's first years (not going into 2nd years) were very similar, just different levels of competition.

Edsall came in the spring after the sudden, and unexpected leaving of a coach, shortly after one of the biggest games (a loss) in the programs history to that point - and inherited a team for that fall, that had graduated a bunch of starters, lost a lot of other productive players and was thin on the depth chart and beginning an entirely new approach to the game.

Pasqualoni came in the spring after the sudden, and unexpected leaving of a coach, shortly after one of the biggest games (a loss) in the programs history to that point - and inherited a team for that fall, that had graduated a bunch of starters, lost a lot of other productive players and was thin on the depth chart and beginning an entirely new approach to the game.

The difference is that in 1998 going into 1999, we were 1-AA and had the remants of Skip Holtz's 1-AA roster. In 2010 going into 2011 we were 1-A, and had the remnants of Edsall's 1-A roster.

The other difference is that in his first 2 years, Pasqualoni has stocked the program with QB's with excellent potential to play at the highest levels of competition, with no signs of slowing down there. Edsall was lucky to land Dan Orlovsky. Other than that position - as far as recruiting goes, both coaches did a good job in recruiting, in their first two years both had losing seasons, and both installed new approaches to the game.

In year three - Edsall went 6-6 with a freshmen QB leading the way that would eventually play in the NFL, and still is in the NFL (to my knowledge). He also did it in a time when the support for the program was at an historic high, with the move to 1-A finally being realized - reality, and no one - questioning whether or not Edsall should keep his job - regardless of results.

In year three - Pasqualoni has got to be feeling the pressure to win. It should be no other way, I think - we simply have got to win this year, and continue to win and compete for league titles - whatever league it is - annually. The highest level of competition and success is the goal now. That wasn't the case in 2002-2003 ten years ago.

 

[SubbaBub]

They were nothing alike. One was implementing a ten year plan to scrap everything and build from scratch. Facilities, fanbase, schedule, roster, recruiting, everything down to, yes, the logo and uniforms.

The other inherited a BCS conference champ and for want of a QB, was tasked with taking the reins without the risk of backsliding that a young coach/coordinator might have wrought.

If you want to understand the anti-P sentiment, that's it. I hope he wins 9 games and the offense is productive and the defense plays as well as it has. I'd be happily surprised. But, the justification behind his hire hasn't proven true.

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[Carl Spackler]

I think it's important to realize for those that actually don't remember, or know, that when Edsall was hired, the move to 1-A football, while officially approved by the University only about 2 months prior to his hiring, was a LONG, LONG, LONG, LONGLONGLONG, way away from being reality, and in Edsall's first two seasons, the move to 1-A was essentially on it's death bed for much of the time and hit way more road blocks, than smooth pavement.

Edsall's first two seasons were 1-AA football, changing conference opponents regularly. Who remembers when we were in the A-10?

Pasqualoni's first two seasons were 1-A football, changing conference opponents regularly.....etc.

It would be nice to have a stable college sports environment at UCONN. We haven't had one in a long time. It would also be nice to get back to winning more football games than we lose. Things would be less complicated...

Over / under? 8

 

[Carl Spackler]

They were nothing alike. One was implementing a ten year plan to scrap everything and build from scratch. Facilities, fanbase, schedule, roster, recruiting, everything down to, yes, the logo and uniforms.

The other inherited a BCS conference champ and for want of a QB, was tasked with taking the reins without the risk of backsliding that a young coach/coordinator might have wrought.

If you want to understand the anti-P sentiment, that's it. I hope he wins 9 games and the offense is productive and the defense plays as well as it has. I'd be happily surprised. But, the justification behind his hire hasn't proven true.

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You are just wrong man, really wrong. Both coaches inherited programs that were essentially in the same condition. The only difference was the level of competition. 1-AA vs. 1-A.

Edsall was hired as the coach of 1-AA program, that was in the very earliest planning stages of a POTENTIAL move to 1-A football. None of what you are talking about was done in Edsall's first few years. Edsall had a big part in developing things 2001-2010, he was 1-AA football coach prior, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[sportsart]

You are just wrong man, really wrong. Both coaches inherited programs that were essentially in the same condition. The only difference was the level of competition. 1-AA vs. 1-A.

Edsall was hired as the coach of 1-AA program, that was in the very earliest planning stages of a POTENTIAL move to 1-A football. None of what you are talking about was done in Edsall's first few years. Edsall had a big part in developing things 2001-2010, he was 1-AA football coach prior, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm pretty sure the move to 1A was all set and Edsall was brought in to take us to the promised land.