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Sanogo and Clingan

Is it possible that Donovan has better perimeter and passing skills than Sanogo, and Hurley needs to give him green light to unleash it this year to give Sanogo space to operate in the paint?

Clips of Donovan shooting from distance look more natural than Sanogo.
If we’re relying on Clingan’s perimeter game to make this lineup viable, it’s not going to end well. I have a very hard time seeing a possibility that Clingan turns into a player that opposing defenses have to respect from the perimeter by the end of the season.
 
I have been screaming for Hurley to play two bigs at once for the last three seasons. He wasted a roster of Carlton, Whaley and a frosh Sanogo by rotating them at one position while we watched guards like Gaffney and Adams launch contested pull up 3's that were effectively turnovers they had such a low probability of success.

Now he has Clingan and Sanogo. UConn will dominate with both of them on the court at once. Other teams will have to adjust. Or we can go 3 for a million from 3 like we did tonight and see where that gets us.

I don't want to pick on just Hurley, because 90% of the coaches in D1 and the NBA do not really understand the statistics of where points come from and how to maximize points per possession, and make the same mistake.
I guess you weren’t there the last two years and saw what the 2-big Sanogo+Whaley combo did for our offense…
 
If we’re relying on Clingan’s perimeter game to make this lineup viable, it’s not going to end well. I have a very hard time seeing a possibility that Clingan turns into a player that opposing defenses have to respect from the perimeter by the end of the season.
Plus the biggest strength is Donovan’s ability to finish at the rim and rebound. Makes no sense to take him away from that.
 
I guess you weren’t there the last two years and saw what the 2-big Sanogo+Whaley combo did for our offense…

I did see it. Don't blame the bigs when you run a 5 out with a lineup that can dominate at the basket. Run a 3 out, hi low, and there will be a higher shooting percentage, more free throws, and higher quality 3 attempts. Or we can just keep chucking from deep and hope for the best.
 
Plus the biggest strength is Donovan’s ability to finish at the rim and rebound. Makes no sense to take him away from that.
Yeah, that lineup requires one of them to play on the perimeter. Clingan got a nice bucket on a roll from the perimeter and a blown defensive assignment but otherwise you’re effectively taking one of them out of the game offensively.
 
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How? How was it worse than sanogo and Karaban together?
So we should play Sanogo and Clingan together because it’s not worse than Karaban and Sanogo. At least Karaban spaces the floor bettter and opens things up more. I value of playing Sanogo and Clingan together would be if it makes us better not that it doesn’t make us any worse.
 
Yeah, that lineup requires one of them to play on the perimeter. Clingan got a nice bucket on a roll from the perimeter and a blown defensive assignment but otherwise you’re effectively taking one of them out of the game offensively.

It does not require that. Just run a different offensive set when they are on the court together.

We are a game removed from Freemantle, Hunter and Nunge scoring at will on UConn. Somehow they figured out a way to win with two bigs.
 
I guess you weren’t there the last two years and saw what the 2-big Sanogo+Whaley combo did for our offense…
I loved Whaley, played really hard and got the most out of his talent but Clingan is a so much better than him and Sanogo is supposed to be better than he was last year. He's more efficient than he was last year offensively but the rest of his game has been really bad in the last 4 games, I'm wondering if Whaley covered up for him a ton defensively.
 
Remember that entire defenses game plan based on not letting Adama Sanogo touch the ball. Even though Clingan’s advanced stats probably blow Sanogo’s out of the water, the script would likely flip if they swapped minutes and Sanogo got to play against the bench bigs every game

But I will concede that Clingan should be quickly subbed in if the situation calls for him to be in there, and there’s been a lot more of those recently. If he’s not in foul trouble and if he has the stamina, he needs more minutes. Period
 
It does not require that. Just run a different offensive set when they are on the court together.

We are a game removed from Freemantle and Nunge scoring at will on UConn. Somehow they figured out a way to win with two bigs.
Because both of their bigs have perimeter skills. Defenses just do not respect Sanogo and especially Clingan from more than a few feet out.
 
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Yeah, that lineup requires one of them to play on the perimeter. Clingan got a nice bucket on a roll from the perimeter and a blown defensive assignment but otherwise you’re effectively taking one of them out of the game offensively.
Think Sanogo being on the floor opens things up for Clingan too. If you put too much attention on Sanogo then plays like that can happen.
 
It does not require that. Just run a different offensive set when they are on the court together.

We are a game removed from Freemantle, Hunter and Nunge scoring at will on UConn. Somehow they figured out a way to win with two bigs.
Both of them can pass. We don’t know if Clingan can, but Adama is not a good passer.
 
No reason why we can’t play the two together and have Karaban first off the bench
Defensive matchups and spacing on offense are the reasons it's difficult to come up with the best answer.
 
Because both of their bigs have perimeter skills. Defenses just do not respect Sanogo and especially Clingan from more than a few feet out.

Sanogo can hit a 15 footer, and Clingan can just hang out at the basket. Somehow offenses managed to score lots of points before we decided it was a good idea to park mediocre shooters in the corner and have them chuck the ball 10 times a game.
 
Then sit him more. That’s not an excuse, he’s been in college for 3 years. Croswell sure didn’t look exhausted. Neither did Clingan.
Lol, Clingan regularly looks exhausted. I don't think he has the stamina yet to play 25+ minutes.
 
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It does not require that. Just run a different offensive set when they are on the court together.

We are a game removed from Freemantle, Hunter and Nunge scoring at will on UConn. Somehow they figured out a way to win with two bigs.
Both Fremantle and Nunge can make threes and Fremantle is a forward with better passing skills than Sanogo
 
Lol, Clingan regularly looks exhausted. I don't think he has the stamina yet to play 25+ minutes.
He didn’t tonight from what I watched. I’m not saying Adama is either. Just responding to the hypothetical that he may have been.
 
If we’re relying on Clingan’s perimeter game to make this lineup viable, it’s not going to end well. I have a very hard time seeing a possibility that Clingan turns into a player that opposing defenses have to respect from the perimeter by the end of the season.
Not saying your wrong, but that's the only switch left that hasn't been flipped that I think is coming. I just didn't think it would be this year.
 
Both Fremantle and Nunge can make threes and Fremantle is a forward with better passing skills than Sanogo

Sanogo is much better in the low and high post than either of them.
 
Sanogo can hit a 15 footer, and Clingan can just hang out at the basket. Somehow offenses managed to score lots of points before we decided it was a good idea to park mediocre shooters in the corner and have them chuck the ball 10 times a game.
He can make it but defenses aren’t playing him that tight on that shot because it’s not a high percentage one. And then you have two bigs packed in the paint to double and deny Clingan. An offense reliant on midrange jumpers as Sanogo’s go to is not a good one.
 
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He didn’t tonight from what I watched. I’m not saying Adama is either. Just responding to the hypothetical that he may have been.
He was gasping for air around his month piece at one point. He regularly looks exhaust and I noticed it again tonight.

Is not a problem. He place hard and all our but he doesn't have as much had in the tank to match Sanogo well known energy and stamina.
 
Sanogo is much better in the low and high post than either of them.
What exactly does Sanogo do well at the high post. He doesn’t make any shots from there and he’s not a good passer And he doesn’t drive to the basket. Other than that he’s better than them at the high post.
 
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