Sanogo and Clingan

[nelsonmuntz]

He can make it but defenses aren’t playing him that tight on that shot because it’s not a high percentage one. And then you have two bigs packed in the paint to double and deny Clingan. An offense reliant on midrange jumpers as Sanogo’s go to is not a good one.

You don't need that much space when the two players are 6'8 and 7'2. Sanogo in the high post and Clingan down low could high/low a team to death if they wanted. The opponent would have to drop a guard down, leaving someone open on the perimeter. Or pick and roll on one side with Sanogo and have Clingan flash to the weakside block. There is a lot of action that works with two bigs.

We have been trying the chuck and duck offense since Hurley got here. It is a mediocre offense despite the fact that we have had some very good shooters come through. Unfortunately, we have also had some very good bigs that ended up underutilized. Hurley ran Carlton off, and Carlton was very effective on an Elite Eight team. How did we do last year?

The 5 out advocates have been wrong every step of the way, and now many teams are incorporating centers back into their offenses. Hurley can wait another 5 years until playing centers and even bigger lineups is mainstream, or he can be a trendsetter.

 

[August_West]

You can't possibly think that's why we lost.

Nope. I don’t. Didn’t come close to winning us a game either

 

[WhereistheDove?]

You can't possibly think that's why we lost.

Well that’s 100% not what he said….

 

[bigknight3]

Yes, 2 fouls early - can’t sit him for that long

And had 3-4 other close calls in the second half and easily could've fouled out if you didn't sit him. That's not why we lost. We sat him and were controlling the first half until they hit a couple of crazy threes just before halftime.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

What exactly does Sanogo do well at the high post. He doesn’t make any shots from there and he’s not a good passer And he doesn’t drive to the basket. Other than that he’s better than them at the high post.

He is averaging 17.9 points in 25.7 minutes, shooting 63.8% from 2 and 39.1% from 3. No one else on the team is even close to that effective. That is an AMAZING shooting percentage for a player taking that many shots.

 

[Drfla]

You don't need that much space when the two players are 6'8 and 7'2. Sanogo in the high post and Clingan down low could high/low a team to death if they wanted. The opponent would have to drop a guard down, leaving someone open on the perimeter. Or pick and roll on one side with Sanogo and have Clingan flash to the weakside block. There is a lot of action that works with two bigs.

We have been trying the chuck and duck offense since Hurley got here. It is a mediocre offense despite the fact that we have had some very good shooters come through. Unfortunately, we have also had some very good bigs that ended up underutilized. Hurley ran Carlton off, and Carlton was very effective on an Elite Eight team. How did we do last year?

The 5 out advocates have been wrong every step of the way, and now many teams are incorporating centers back into their offenses. Hurley can wait another 5 years until playing centers and even bigger lineups is mainstream, or he can be a trendsetter.

Sanogo can’t pass. The chances of him effectively feeding Clingan from the high post are very very low.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

He is averaging 17.9 points in 25.7 minutes, shooting 63.8% from 2 and 39.1% from 3. No one else on the team is even close to that effective. That is an AMAZING shooting percentage for a player taking that many shots.

He asked about the high post.

 

[jorge34]

Sanogo has been awful on defense, and his man just seems to outwork him on the boards. Clingan is starting to look like a better player for our type of game.

He is. He’s the better defender, rebounder and most importantly, passer.
His offense will come.

He needs to play 28 plus minutes per game.
And if it comes as sanogo’s expense, so be it

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Sanogo can’t pass. The chances of him effectively feeding Clingan from the high post are very very low.

You convinced me. We need Alleyne taking more shots.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I missed the game. Did you write that Andre was sat for 16 minutes? This is a crime.

Because Andre is a fouling machine on the perimeter for no reason.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

He asked about the high post.

You don't get to be cute about it. Your offense failed miserably tonight, and couldn't keep up with Xavier on Saturday. It also choked up in just about every big game the last two years. But you want to triple down because next time will be different, or something.

The burden of proof in this debate is not on me. Either explain why UConn is not going to shoot 36.5% the next time it is in a big game, like it did tonight against a bubble team like Providence, or stop arguing that more guards are better.

 

[Drfla]

He is averaging 17.9 points in 25.7 minutes, shooting 63.8% from 2 and 39.1% from 3. No one else on the team is even close to that effective. That is an AMAZING shooting percentage for a player taking that many shots.

how does this relate to being effective at the high post. He scores down low and occasionally makes a three when left wide open. Unfortunately Sanogo is a compiler. His average is misleading. He has some really good scoring games (usually against smaller post players) and some real stinkers. He is not consistent. He has had 2 mediocre games and 2 stinkers in the last 4 games. Our offense is built around him but his inconsistency limits us.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

You don't get to be cute about it. Your offense failed miserably tonight, and couldn't keep up with Xavier on Saturday. It also choked up in just about every big game the last two years. But you want to triple down because next time will be different, or something.

The burden of proof in this debate is not on me. Either explain why UConn is not going to shoot 36.5% the next time it is in a big game, like it did tonight against a bubble team like Providence, or stop arguing that more guards are better.

Well guards win championships more often than bigs for one.

I’m not saying don’t integrate the Adama Clingan lineup more possibly, just don’t think it’s gonna solve our issues. We have A LOT bigger issues than our bigs.

 

[Drfla]

You convinced me. We need Alleyne taking more shots.

Well thought out response. Just like your coaching strategy.

 

[uconn_jack]

Hurley needs to stop thinking that Sanogo is option 1 at the 5 and Clingan is option 2. Sanogo should start of course, but the 5 needs to be situational every game. EVERY game. If that means Clingan gets more minutes in a game, so be it.

Some, and probably a lot, of games Sanogo is going to dominate, but if he's being effectively denied or defended and doubled/triple teamed, Clingan needs to go in and stay in, especially if we are shooting poorly (like the last 2 games). He is so much harder to defend in the same way, passes much better, is a better rebounder, and will eat from offensive put backs alone.

I'm not trying to dump on Sanogo, he's great at what he's good at and a joy to watch most games, but he can be exploited, especially when we are shooting badly, and Hurley needs to figure out how (and be willing) to adjust when he is.

And playing them both is NOT the answer. Maybe in some niche situations, but it was no advantage when we saw it tonight.

 

[Billy Jack]

The refs have allowed the opposing team to manhandle our guards as a way to get back at Hurley. It’s vile

Then maybe Hurley should shut up and stop cursing out the refs. Time for him to grow up.

 

[Chin Diesel]

This is really simple math. Clingan eats Sanogo minutes at the five. Depending on game and situation, Sanogo eats some of Karaban's minutes at the four.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Hurley needs to stop thinking that Sanogo is option 1 at the 5 and Clingan is option 2. Sanogo should start of course, but the 5 needs to be situational every game. EVERY game. If that means Clingan gets more minutes in a game, so be it.

Some, and probably a lot, of games Sanogo is going to dominate, but if he's being effectively denied or defended and doubled/triple teamed, Clingan needs to go in and stay in, especially if we are shooting poorly (like the last 2 games). He is so much harder to defend in the same way, passes much better, is a better rebounder, and will eat from offensive put backs alone.

I'm not trying to dump on Sanogo, he's great at what he's good at and a joy to watch most games, but he can be exploited, especially when we are shooting badly, and Hurley needs to figure out how (and be willing) to adjust when he is.

And playing them both is NOT the answer. Maybe in some niche situations, but it was no advantage when we saw it tonight.

I'll say this. No matter what Hurley does with Sanogo, he's not taking money from Adama's pocket. Sanogo is not making a living in the NBA. Yet. And he certainly isn't making money as a back to the basket five man in the NBA.

Adama will make millions playing basketball around the world over the next decade. Top 1% of all college players type money. But he doesn't have an NBA skillset. At least not yet.

Hurley needs to do what is best for this year's team.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Well thought out response. Just like your coaching strategy.

So you are against more bigs playing, and are against more guards playing. Sounds like you have all the bases covered.

 

[The Viking]

He actually behaved himself tonight. Maybe someone influential got in his ear because there were certainly times tonight that the Dan Hurley from Saturday would have probably gotten ejected.

 

[Austin316]

Clingan's better than Sanogo. But you probably didn't want to hear that.

Ok chill… Clingan is great because Sanogo is great. They practice together every day. They have different games styles. If Sanogo was 7’2 and Clingan was 6’9 you probably wouldn’t be saying that. They’re both good… leave it alone.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Then maybe Hurley should shut up and stop cursing out the refs. Time for him to grow up.

Admittedly, I'm working with a small sample, and it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but you make a strong negative impression as well. It's hard to imagine you making a positive impact on Hurley, but you certainly can apply your advice to yourself.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

Nope. I don’t. Didn’t come close to winning us a game either

You can't possibly think that's why we lost.

--Nope. I don’t.

good save.
i was just aboot to pounce on ur 'lawn burger' eatin butt, till i read that.
familiar with the term 'lawn burger?" i was not, until earlier this eve when i had a Dunkie settin aboot 20 feet away from us who constantly yelled 'lawn burger eaters' at our doggie get-ups (UConn hockey jerseys rule. they just do.) i asked the good fellow what does 'take ur lawnburger eating butts back to New York!' mean? (the full harangue. he said it a lot. yelled it after they made that big 3)
he says 'lawn burger - fake meat hamburger.'

ok, that's funny. i thanked him, and we returned to form.
will you ever be allowed to eat ribeyes and watch football again?

 

[Deleted at users request]

Then maybe Hurley should shut up and stop cursing out the refs. Time for him to grow up.

I mean personally, if someone called me a freaking clown (insert the curse word) and then called me a straight up female dog. Yeah I’m not giving calls to that guy. There’s a respect line that Hurley doesn’t seem to apply with refs.

 

[CheshireCat]

Bc of where Clingan can catch the ball and they opposing teams don’t consider him an offensive threat like sanogo. This is where we see if Hurley has what it takes to make changes with the lineup or in game strategy. Or both!

Dan Hurley would have figured out a way to lose tonight even if he had Jayson Tatum at his disposal. Fair to say he’s either really stubborn, not very bright, or both.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

Had to when Karaban was getting abused and Jackson had too many fouls. If anything they should have kept the Sanogo, Clingan combo for longer as it was working a bit. Sanogo just operates too slow in BE play. You cant take your time backing guys down without 2 or 3 defenders swarming you and then just force bad shots.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Ok chill… Clingan is great because Sanogo is great. They practice together every day. They have different games styles. If Sanogo was 7’2 and Clingan was 6’9 you probably wouldn’t be saying that. They’re both good… leave it alone.

I think people are being premature with the Clingan>Sanogo takes. But it’s not Clingans fault he’s 7’2, it just happens to give him a huge advantage.

 

[SwingDog]

probably went to Sonogo and Clingan together because he read the boneyard and followed the advice of all the basketball geniuses on this site.
playing them together resulted in Sonogo getting burned by Hopkins immediately, no rebounding advantage and no better offense.

to those saying play them together do you still think it’s the answer.

I think it's AN answer, but for it to work there needs to be a balanced attack. We need to shoot better from the perimeter and also need to have more penetration from guards in taking the ball to the rim and/or dishing.

 

[jibsey]

I think it's AN answer, but for it to work there needs to be a balanced attack. We need to shoot better from the perimeter and also need to have more penetration from guards in taking the ball to the rim and/or dishing.

We’ve been getting abused just this way by other teams. How many free throws did Hopkins take and make last night? He only made 6 Fg’s and scored 27? Our inside scoring has to be more than Sanogo back downs and rebound cleanups. We have to get to the line, is that Newton? Alleyne? It’s not Jackson or Karaban so we have a foul discrepancy problem every game.

 

[metsfan2323]

It's too bad this isn't 1984, Clingan and Sanogo could be like Ewing and Michael Graham.