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If UVa got good they would have followers up here, if only out of affection for Thomas Jefferson.
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If UVa got good they would have followers up here, if only out of affection for Thomas Jefferson.
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PJ,remember when you asked why I was so tough on btstimpy? I hope that by now you'll see why I could feel that way? I expect that only from SU or UConn diehards but whats it matter to someone who thinks Va is Mt Olympus? Reeks of arrogance or jealousy when you keep harping on someone you think is "irrelevant"!?! I really try to lay off him and he has "lightened up" just a tiny bit but he can't seem to control himself here.
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Virginia is relevant some days and in some sports...just not football nor basketball.
The cavs routinely have a ranked baseball team and went to the CWS in 2009...the women's soccer team is a perennial Women's Soccer beast...This Year's Soccer Cup (final four) has Virginia, Florida State, Virginia Tech, and UCLA playing. Virginia plays UCLA and FSU plays VT for the winners to go to the finals.
The men's soccer team has six national championships (most recent 2009), the lacrosse team four (most recent 2006....6th NC including pre tournament era). The women have an NC in lacrosse. And the Cavs have a Track and Field NC.
But, in today's sport world...these "other sports" are invisible...and if invisible, maybe a case could be made for not being relevant.
The cavs routinely have a ranked baseball team and went to the CWS in 2009...the women's soccer team is a perennial Women's Soccer beast...This Year's Soccer Cup (final four) has Virginia, Florida State, Virginia Tech, and UCLA playing. Virginia plays UCLA and FSU plays VT for the winners to go to the finals.
The men's soccer team has six national championships (most recent 2009), the lacrosse team four (most recent 2006....6th NC including pre tournament era). The women have an NC in lacrosse. And the Cavs have a Track and Field NC.
But, in today's sport world...these "other sports" are invisible...and if invisible, maybe a case could be made for not being relevant.
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No, that is one of their luxury suites.
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You can be more specific. Virginia has been ranked in the top 30 of the Athletic Director's Cup that determines the nation's best athletic departments annually based upon results in NCAA post season play for all 20 years that there has been a Director's Cup. The following are the only Athletic Departments to do so in alphabetical order:
Arizona
Arizona State
California
Florida
Georgia
Michigan
North Carolina
Ohio State
Penn State
USC
Stanford
Texas
UCLA
Virginia
These are the top Athletic Departments based upon consistent results in the US for the past 2 decades. In the past decade Virginia has won 8 Team NCAA championships in 5 different sports (Men's & Women's). Virginia has 20 overall. We don't have any in Team Track & Field like FSU, but have some in Cross Country and in individual track & field events. And as you mentioned both Soccer teams are doing very will in 2013. Will either win? Time will tell.
Virginia has a lot of work to do in football and basketball as you mention. There is no doubt about that. The men's basketball team has been to 2 final 4s and 4 Elite 8s, but no Championships. You can compare this to Virginia Tech (I'm tired of discussing Rutgers) who built a trophy case for their Football National Championship Trophy in 2000 after losing to Florida State in the National Championship. It remains empty, and Virginia Tech has no other NCAA championship. They are the only school in the ACC without any NCAA championships. But they do have a decent football team. Their Women's Soccer team is good this year. FSU stands in their way.
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UVa is a great school, not much to brag about in football or basketball, but in academics and other sports and heritage and campus beauty they have a lot to be proud of. VTech had no fans at all outside Virginia before joining the Big East, that started the rise of their football program and earned them some eastern fans. If Virginia played eastern teams regularly they'd earn some fans, and if they got good like VTech they'd earn more. If UConn were in the ACC UVa would probably soon have more fans in New England than VTech.
Rutgers is a fine school too, under-rated academically, and not irrelevant athletically, which stimpy probably knows, but he is teasing you. Fans do that to fans of other schools all the time on message boards. I haven't seen anything malicious.
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Frank Beamer has put Virginia Tech on the map. For all that he's accomplished, he deserves to win a Championship. I don't know if he ever will, but he has a record that he can certainly be proud of at Virginia Tech. UVA's football team has some of the longest losing streaks in NCAA history. UVA has never been a football power. George Welsh had a great run of 14 seasons in a row with 7 or more wins. We would like to get back to that. With this current coaching staff though, it looks like we're headed to a period like we had from 1958-1961 where UVA lost 29 straight games. Columbia bailed us out in the 80s with an even worse streak. We just finished our bowl game this year, the Toilet Bowl, with Virginia Tech last Saturday. Both teams looked like crap.
Basketball is doing better, but is also not a power in the ACC. Tony Bennet has produced a perrenial NIT participant. It would be nice to get back to where we were in the 80s in basketball.
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Yes,I know and agree its a great academic school in a beautiful setting but I won't go much further with the praise because of a certain repetitive poster,Ha Ha.As for the major sports I haven't heard much from UVa since the Barber brothers in FB and Ralph Sampson in hoop's !!Heck,RU was in a final 4 in the mid 70s in hoop's and undefeated in FB too in "76" I believe?? They knocked off Tenn in Knoxville a few yrs later and scared Bama so they never came back that same yr I believe? Good win for you guys Sat pj I was happy for you guys!
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By the way,I'm pretty sure RU has played UVa a few times with moderate success over the last 20 yrs tho I know its nothing much to brag about and the BE had a winning record against the SEC I believe in the BCS era but alas its gone! I'm really sorta missing the BE right now !?!As for academic reputation the reaquisition of the Medical School and the B1G should regain RU their standing in a few yrs.
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Men's basketball we did. UVA is 3-0. Wins in 1987, 2002, and 2003. I don't remember any of these games. But I looked them up in the record book.
In Football UVA leads the series 3-2 with the last game in 1981 pre-George Welsh when UVA was terrible, kinda like right now.
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Really if it was'nt for your irrational obsession with RU I always kinda related with UVa and liked them. Since I now associate Va with your post's it's soured their image in my mind! Similar sized state's with school's that consistently underachieve in the major sports with ton's of promise. RU's hoop's heyday were the 70s when I started following them closely when a neighbor of mine went there (Abdel Anderson) now a top prosecuter/probation officer I read in Union County,NJ or was recently? I was a fan of Frank Burn's a great guy and FB coach in the 70s too! I started watching UConn hoop's too in the 90s and enjoyed watching them grow into what they are today and anticipating the same hopes for UConn FB (with the right coach)!
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I get the idea of adding Snooki for additional television eyes. But really, when it comes to Rutgers role in the B1G, one picture says it all.
I get the idea of adding Snooki for additional television eyes. But really, when it comes to Rutgers role in the B1G, one picture says it all.
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Yeah, and underneath they'll find you! Grape's too sour ? Too much time on your hand's?
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Someone remind me what Uconn's role in the B1G is again?
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Champions.
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If they have ANY association with you thats VERY doubtful??I mean if you posted your caring/worrying about them pulling even further away from whoever you follow or you just would'nt let it bother u !!! Who do you follow?Another ACC troll like a certain other uninformed toothless redneck ?? Man, Jersey is loaded with talented and wealthy people and their spilling over into and making there marks in the southland too recently(see Fla/NC)!!I'm proud to have been reared in NJ and carry it with me where ever I may roam and believe me it runs deeper than simply a few sports programs or any 1 university! Jersey strong, Jersey history and Jersey pride!
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I actually stopped by tonight to offer my congratulations on the new head coach, but I can't resist weighing in on this.
Kennedy, I think, said in effect, "Some people look at what is and say, why? I look at what could be and say, why not?"
Rutgers is an outstanding academic institution. Now there job is to be an outstanding academic institution that also excels in athletics. A Northeast and B1G equivalent of the Stanford or USC in the PAC12, if you will. Tall order? Yes, but those are the expectations and they are doable. Never said easy, just doable. I think Pernetti had the vision; I hope Herman does. That's the vision. With the vision, resources and drive, it is doable. Unfortunately, too many average B1G fans don't see it (yet). At least in part, Delaney sees it--but I think Delaney may not see it all either. Sure, it's about TVs but that is not the end in itself; that is the means to the end. The end, the one that the leaders of the B1G see--beyond Delaney, if you will--is a dominant consortium of universities that uses athletics and the medium of television to draw the research dollars and the best students from all over the east and Midwest.
When UConn comes aboard, you'll be the eastern seaboard flagship school and the close-proximity rival. The UCLA, so to speak, of the B1G. (An apt comparison given both UConn's and UCLA's basketball histories.) Keep the vision. It will happen. That's why your ambitious academic program is so important. You may not need to actually be AAU but you'll need to be in the ballpark, so to speak.
Been checking the Syracuse forum since the Gopher's bowl was announced. They really hate both Rutgers and UConn. I mean a bordering on psychotic breakdown obsession. What up with that?
Anyway, congratulations on your new coach. Wishing you great success and I still believe we'll be seeing you soon in the B1G.
Kennedy, I think, said in effect, "Some people look at what is and say, why? I look at what could be and say, why not?"
Rutgers is an outstanding academic institution. Now there job is to be an outstanding academic institution that also excels in athletics. A Northeast and B1G equivalent of the Stanford or USC in the PAC12, if you will. Tall order? Yes, but those are the expectations and they are doable. Never said easy, just doable. I think Pernetti had the vision; I hope Herman does. That's the vision. With the vision, resources and drive, it is doable. Unfortunately, too many average B1G fans don't see it (yet). At least in part, Delaney sees it--but I think Delaney may not see it all either. Sure, it's about TVs but that is not the end in itself; that is the means to the end. The end, the one that the leaders of the B1G see--beyond Delaney, if you will--is a dominant consortium of universities that uses athletics and the medium of television to draw the research dollars and the best students from all over the east and Midwest.
When UConn comes aboard, you'll be the eastern seaboard flagship school and the close-proximity rival. The UCLA, so to speak, of the B1G. (An apt comparison given both UConn's and UCLA's basketball histories.) Keep the vision. It will happen. That's why your ambitious academic program is so important. You may not need to actually be AAU but you'll need to be in the ballpark, so to speak.
Been checking the Syracuse forum since the Gopher's bowl was announced. They really hate both Rutgers and UConn. I mean a bordering on psychotic breakdown obsession. What up with that?
Anyway, congratulations on your new coach. Wishing you great success and I still believe we'll be seeing you soon in the B1G.
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As a fan of both school's and a believer in public school education the NE has a long history of private school arrogance thats seen time pass them by(BC/SU) and Cuse used to be able to walk into NJ and get some of the excellent 2nd tier talent that kept their FB program at a top 21/38 level until the late 90s? then the "slide" began with PPasqualoni(circa 03) into mere mediocrity.They asked him to relieve his old friend/paisano GDeLeone and he refused, lost to a terrible pre-Schiano RU team and Dr Gross hired Greg Robinson who proclaimed he did'nt need NJ/NY/Conn kids(which angered the downstate HS coaches) to succeed and the "fall to irrelevance" began to pick up steam just as RU and UConn began to rise and pass them by.Maybe someone more eloquent and better educated than me can pick it up from here? But anyway's I liked the midwestern view of NE school politic's showing your interested enough to learn! I got banned on SU's board simply for stating a recruiting fact they did'nt like haha.(obsessed+delusional)
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Interesting While I am a UConn alumni and thus want to beat Rutgers in everything and am just a tad annoyed how Rutgers got ‘saved’ by the B1G and UConn got blackballed by the ACC with a little help from the NCAA, I respect Rutgers and the it’s student body. Most of my neighbors in Jersey are Rutgers alumni or attached to the school in some way.
That said, Rutgers is facing two issues on the athletic front. First, after almost a year on the job, there is very little faith that Herman has any vision what so ever except to save her own arse. Especially, as she was hired to save Barchi’s arse after he threw Pernetti under the bus. Pernetti has the vision that you are talking about. Second, Rutgers focus and finances right now are tied-up with the UMDNJ merge that is supposed to cost $75 million (I have heard people mumble more in the range of $125 to $150 million). The athletic department has been running in the red for years. Outside of the football stadium, most of the college’s other athletic facilities, such as the football practice facility, are sub-par compared to other B1G schools. The B1G will give Rutgers access to more money; but, most of that will likely go toward plugging the budget issue, not to mention that there is talk the B1G wants Rutgers to go all in and help B1G hockey as Jersey is a decent hockey state. The money issue may also keep Rutgers from revamping their football coaching staff as they cannot afford the payouts.
Thus, I agree that Rutgers has potential. But, it also have many challenges.
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Great post TruDomGopher. Re Syracuse, it's a little mysterious, but keep in mind that UConn has been their great rival in basketball for 20 years, not only on the court but in recruiting battles, and in football UConn and Rutgers have been their major rivals, again for recruiting (all share a NY/NJ/NE/PA focus, but not really competitive for the top PA players) as well as on the football field. UConn and Rutgers both eclipsed Syracuse in football throughout the last 10 years and UConn eclipsed Syracuse in basketball. They have been on a downward trajectory from a storied history. They are a smaller private school and lack resources to compete, and foresee increasing difficulties. They are now in the ACC and have good revenue, but they are a northern outlier in the ACC much like BC, and BC athletics has gone way downhill in the ACC. They will be playing a lot of games a thousand miles away and fan interest will wane. They will no longer have the nearby rivalries they had in the Big East. Boeheim will retire soon. They foresee a poor future for themselves. Meanwhile, UConn and Rutgers promise to rise further, Rutgers aided by the B1G migration and UConn having major fan and state support as the only major public athletics institution in the NY/New England region.
Feelings of deserved superiority based on history combined with knowledge of present and future inferiority make for resentment.
That is my guess anyway.
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If you mean Baltimore, you are correct. If you mean DC, you are incorrect.
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Nah.
To the extent that DC cares about college sports, it's Maryland and Georgetown.
Washington Post...
ACC fans should come to grips with the fact that they are very strong in North Carolina, Virginia, Pittsburgh, some lesser cities in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, half a city block in Boston, parts of Kentuckiana and one town in central New York held together by snow and rust.
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Virginia and Virginia Tech get coverage in DC as much as Maryland. The Redskins have had 3 Virginia Tech Games in FedEX field in the past decade that mostly sold out against USC, Boise State, and Cincinnati. Cincinnati was probably the lowest turnout. The Washington Post covers Virginia pretty well. When I click on it today, it's all Maryland because Maryland is playing a couple of basketball games, is preparing for a bowl in the DC area, and beat UVA in the Soccer Semis. UVA is on a two week off period for basketball. is not playing in a DC bowl, and is being covered losing the Soccer Semi. Maryland will be covered by the Washington Post. Sure. It's part of the metro region. But so will UVA.
The same Comcast Regional Sports Network covers all of Virginia, DC, and Maryland. It will continue to show ACC after the Maryland departure probably also in Maryland. It will be interesting to see if they try to subdivide it, but I doubt it because Maryland will now be lost over on the BTN. The Big Ten's plan is to try to force the Maryland cable subscribers to buy that channel. It will be interesting to see if they can. They won't be able to force DC or Virginia subcribers.
As for your come to grips comment, you need to add whomever looks at Notre Dame athletics and Louisville athletics. Both have bigger followings than Maryland athletics. ACC fans are satisfied with the trade and grip it very well.
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You are off the rails.
No one cares about Notre Dame basketball and Notre Dame football isn't an ACC program.
As for Louisville, please.
They're Appalachia.
The people who are happy with that trade are deluding themselves.
No one cares about Notre Dame basketball and Notre Dame football isn't an ACC program.
As for Louisville, please.
They're Appalachia.
The people who are happy with that trade are deluding themselves.
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I agree. Maryland is a better fit for the ACC than Louisville, and has a history with the conference. The ACC made out okay with the addition of Louisville, but given the choice I think lost in the ACC would prefer to have Maryland. Also, not only did the ACC trade Maryland for Louisville, they now have a B1G presence right in their backyard.
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