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RIP Bill Buckner

What an idiotic thing for that guy to say, it's this type of cr@p that made Buckner and his family go through hell.

In fairness to the Red Sox I read they did invite him back for an '86 team reunion but Buckner declined. The damage had already been done by the media and fans.

Before my time, and certainly before your time, those fans spent 3 hours of every summer day glued to how the Red Sox were doing, TV and radio. With so much time invested, the devastation could only be expected, since they were 1 strike away. It's understandable. I wasn't even born in '67. But I was around during the 1970s, and I wasn't even in Boston or Massachusetts, but even in Connecticut during the summers of 1975-1978, people were just glued to all things Yankees and Red Sox. It was pretty intense. I don't think O'Donnell lost his sense of perspective. He just knew how much of Boston had gone into the Red Sox.
 
For what it's worth, as a die-hard Sox fan in '86 I was devastated by the loss, and thought Buckner should have at least blocked the ball, but didn't hold him responsible for the loss. The pitching and a couple of seeing-eye grounders and soft bloopers did them in earlier, before the Mookie Wilson grounder of infamy. If he knocks it down, Mookie beats the play at first anyway, and there's another batter to face. But it was already a tie game at that point.

RIP Bill Buckner. In the majors at 19 - when do you see that anymore? Hell of a career in baseball.
 
For what it's worth, as a die-hard Sox fan in '86 I was devastated by the loss, and thought Buckner should have at least blocked the ball, but didn't hold him responsible for the loss. The pitching and a couple of seeing-eye grounders and soft bloopers did them in earlier, before the Mookie Wilson grounder of infamy. If he knocks it down, Mookie beats the play at first anyway, and there's another batter to face. But it was already a tie game at that point.

RIP Bill Buckner. In the majors at 19 - when do you see that anymore? Hell of a career in baseball.
The biggest mistake may have been made by the manager. John McNamara had been using Dave Stapleton as a late inning defensive sub for Buckner all year, and didn't do it that night, probably as a sentimental "I want Bill on the field when we win it" decision.
 
My wife's is Frontaltemporal. In 2 1/2 years since diagnosis she is already well into stage 7 of 7. When diagnosed she was given up to 10 years. Last May less than 2. Really progressed rapidly.
Don't know what to say. I can't imagine what your wife and your whole family must be going through. I wish you and your family the best during these tough times.
 
The US government has spent $6 trillion on the War on Terror. . . . Lewy body dementia or Alzheimers, or ALS, or cancer, autism . . . . could benefit from a chunk of that $6 trillion.
We live in a county where, in most jurisdictions, they make you use a seat belt, possessing weed is illegal, there's mandatory trans-fat labelling, childhood fatassedness is rampant and ignored, and, to top it all, an acutely addictive drug is legal to purchase at virtually every minimart, convenience store, gas station, and supermarket in the nation.
That addictive drug is packaged, variously, in cancer inducing, cell damaging packaging, including, but not limited to, tobacco leaves, gum, vapor, patches, and the like.
The use of tobacco results in, approximately, one half a million deaths per year. Since the never-ending war on something or other began in 01, that means that about 9 million Americans have died from tobacco use.
Smoking related yearly costs are about 300 billion. That is likely an underestimate. Since 01, that is about 6 trillion, which, you'll note, is about the same as what is spent on the never ending war on something or other.

How is it possible that, in a country where there are thousands of images of violent gun deaths broadcast over TV and Internet media every day, but where the inclusion of an image of hooters or flaccid johnsons causes the populace to instantly lose its collective mind, there isn't the will to simply pass a one sentence law to make that abomination illegal?

Because, . . .

It's not about life. It's not about saving. It never has been. Never will be. It's the human condition, carved into our DNA, not subject to change without a concomitant change in DNA.
 
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Well you want us to still hate him? What should we do if we can't afford a time machine?

No. But “magically” no Sox fans are ever in the pool of Sox fans who made Buckners life hell for years. Just admit you treated the guy like garbage and that’s why his legacy is what it is.
 
For what it's worth, as a die-hard Sox fan in '86 I was devastated by the loss, and thought Buckner should have at least blocked the ball, but didn't hold him responsible for the loss. The pitching and a couple of seeing-eye grounders and soft bloopers did them in earlier, before the Mookie Wilson grounder of infamy. If he knocks it down, Mookie beats the play at first anyway, and there's another batter to face. But it was already a tie game at that point.

RIP Bill Buckner. In the majors at 19 - when do you see that anymore? Hell of a career in baseball.
Bob Stanley and Calvin Schiraldi, and a piss-poor bullpen. It was never about Billy Buckner or a “little roller up along first”.
As a Sox fan I always hated how Buck was treated. It made no sense.
RIP to a true gentleman.
 
We live in a county where, in most jurisdictions, they make you use a seat belt, possessing weed is illegal, there's mandatory trans-fat labelling, childhood fatassedness is rampant and ignored, and, to top it all, an acutely addictive drug is legal to purchase at virtually every minimart, convenience store, gas station, and supermarket in the nation.
That addictive drug is packaged, variously, in cancer inducing, cell damaging packaging, including, but not limited to, tobacco leaves, gum, vapor, patches, and the like.
The use of tobacco results in, approximately, one half a million deaths per year. Since the never-ending war on something or other began in 01, that means that about 9 million Americans have died from tobacco use.
Smoking related yearly costs are about 300 billion. That is likely an underestimate. Since 01, that is about 6 trillion, which, you'll note, is about the same as what is spent on the never ending war on something or other.

How is it possible that, in a country where there are thousands of images of violent gun deaths broadcast over TV and Internet media every day, but where the inclusion of an image of hooters or flaccid johnsons causes the populace to instantly lose its collective mind, there isn't the will to simply pass a one sentence law to make that abomination illegal?

Because, . . .

It's not about life. It's not about saving. It never has been. Never will be. It's the human condition, carved into our DNA, not subject to change without a concomitant change in DNA.
Since you took this off the rails, nicotine isn't what makes you sick and kills you. Cigarettes suck but not because of nicotine.
 
No. But “magically” no Sox fans are ever in the pool of Sox fans who made Buckners life hell for years. Just admit you treated the guy like garbage and that’s why his legacy is what it is.
I know plenty who would admit that. So you’re just assuming per usual
 
Peter Frampton does not have Lewy body dementia. He has been diagnosed with Inclusion Body Myositis which affects the muscles but does not affect the brain or lungs. He expects to be playing the guitar for quite some time but not at the level he holds himself to be able to play in a concert setting. Unfortunately this is a condition with no known cure.

Oddly I knew this and had even posted such a couple months ago. Not sure why I got it confused with Lewy, so thanks for the clarification.
 
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I know plenty who would admit that. So you’re just assuming per usual

Right. Everyone "knows other people" who caused the guy to move his family to remote Idaho....but no one actually did it themselves.

I was 19 in 1986. I grew up as a Mets fans watching pretty much all of Sox Nation on the guy for 20 years. Now they all have open arms and feel guilty for doing it.
 
Not sure if this was mentioned yet but the guy, in 22 years, never struck out 3 times in a game. 2715 hits and a respectable .287 BA.

That's what I wanted to see on the ESPN ticker too instead of "Made the fateful error at 1B vs the Mets in the 1986 WS" - man ESPN blows and that was classless reading that along with announcing his passing yesterday, disgusting on their part.
 
Right. Everyone "knows other people" who caused the guy to move his family to remote Idaho....but no one actually did it themselves.

I was 19 in 1986. I grew up as a Mets fans watching pretty much all of Sox Nation on the guy for 20 years. Now they all have open arms and feel guilty for doing it.
i just said there were plenty of people who would admit that. I did. So i just proved you wrong.
 
i just said there were plenty of people who would admit that. I did. So i just proved you wrong.

Would any fans have admitted it if 2004 and thereafter didn't happen though? Maybe finally yesterday but I doubt too much would have been accomplished until then.
 
Would any fans have admitted it if 2004 and thereafter didn't happen though? Maybe finally yesterday but I doubt too much would have been accomplished until then.
They wouldn't have had to admit it they were actively hating him until 04. You can't "forgive" if you've never hated in the first place which is why Deepster is wrong saying no one would admit to being an ass
 
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Before my time, and certainly before your time, those fans spent 3 hours of every summer day glued to how the Red Sox were doing, TV and radio. With so much time invested, the devastation could only be expected, since they were 1 strike away. It's understandable. I wasn't even born in '67. But I was around during the 1970s, and I wasn't even in Boston or Massachusetts, but even in Connecticut during the summers of 1975-1978, people were just glued to all things Yankees and Red Sox. It was pretty intense. I don't think O'Donnell lost his sense of perspective. He just knew how much of Boston had gone into the Red Sox.

An E3 was the greatest tragedy in the history of a city. Get a gripe.
 
Cigarettes suck but not because of nicotine.
Incorrect. Cigarettes suck specifically and only because of nicotine.
Of course nicotine is not the ingredient that causes health issues - my post presumed that anybody reading it understood the 6th grade science behind the thousands of carcinogens in cigarettes. You and I apparently disagree on the competency of our readers.

If anybody is unclear as to why nicotine is the only thing that matters, then show me the wonderful nicotine-less cigarettes that they sell. Alternatively, create a Lucky Charms type cereal and add nicotine to it, and let me know how that works out when it hits the market.
 
Not sure if this was mentioned yet but the guy, in 22 years, never struck out 3 times in a game. 2715 hits and a respectable .287 BA.

I just heard that stat on Le Batard. Even Tony Gwynn struck out 3 times in a game. Remarkable.
 
Incorrect. Cigarettes suck specifically and only because of nicotine.
Of course nicotine is not the ingredient that causes health issues - my post presumed that anybody reading it understood the 6th grade science behind the thousands of carcinogens in cigarettes. You and I apparently disagree on the competency of our readers.

If anybody is unclear as to why nicotine is the only thing that matters, then show me the wonderful nicotine-less cigarettes that they sell. Alternatively, create a Lucky Charms type cereal and add nicotine to it, and let me know how that works out when it hits the market.
Then why on earth did you include vapes and gum?

"Cigarettes suck specifically and only because of nicotine." This is a ridiculous statement, cigarettes suck because they are full of a ton of stuff that can kill you over time.
 
Then why on earth did you include vapes and gum?
"Cigarettes suck specifically and only because of nicotine." This is a ridiculous statement, cigarettes suck because they are full of a ton of stuff that can kill you over time.
Wow! I knew you would reasonably yield the point! That's just how you roll. Lol.

You're just not getting it. Without the nicotine, cigarettes wouldn't even be a product. You get so riled up with your own point you become senseless.
 
An E3 was the greatest tragedy in the history of a city. Get a gripe.
Here is the difference. Before, cable and the internet. We lived in Central Ct. Our parents were terrified in the early 60's of the Boston Strangler. We were 80 to 100 miles away. Bill Buckner was scapegoated(is that a word) and maligned. Comparing the 2 is hyperbole at it's apex, but the point is taken.
 
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Wow! I knew you would reasonably yield the point! That's just how you roll. Lol.

You're just not getting it. Without the nicotine, cigarettes wouldn't even be a product. You get so riled up with your own point you become senseless.
Incorrect. Cigarettes suck specifically and only because of nicotine.

You posted something remarkably stupid about cigarettes in a thread about Bill Buckner and it's somehow my fault.

Peak oil, Frank!
 
An E3 was the greatest tragedy in the history of a city. Get a gripe.

OK, here's my gripe. I didn't say in the history. I said in the 20th century up until 1986. That's my gripe.

Compare how many people have heard of the Molasses Flood or Coconut Grove to Buckner's error. It's pretty telling.
 
OK, here's my gripe. I didn't say in the history. I said in the 20th century up until 1986. That's my gripe.

Compare how many people have heard of the Molasses Flood or Coconut Grove to Buckner's error. It's pretty telling.

Some people say, on hot days, you can still smell molasses in parts of town!
 
An E3 was the greatest tragedy in the history of a city. Get a gripe.
Well a 19 year old did manage to escape after being cornered on a one way street with tons of officers and hundreds of bullets coming at him and then managed to shut down that entire city for a day.
 
There are always some idiots in any fanbase that will do stupid crap. You cant judge the many by the actions of a few.
After the 86 world series the city of Boston had a rally and Buckner got the longest ovation of all the players.
In 1990 he got an ovation when he returned as a player.
These were fresh after the loss and before 2004. Almost all Sox fans knew the game was lost when the game was tied. And I dont think Gedman gets the crap he deserves a good catcher has to make the play on Stanley's inside pitch
Buckner even said in interviews his beef was mainly with the media not the handful of idiots he'd come across.
To be lectured to by mets and yankees fans however is priceless
 
Well a 19 year old did manage to escape after being cornered on a one way street with tons of officers and hundreds of bullets coming at him and then managed to shut down that entire city for a day.

Your reading problems persist.
 
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