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Husky25 said:
UT OHH...You just invited BCINYA and BC1978 to a fight over what is or is not relevant in their lone dimension of a parallel universe. Good Luck.
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LOL .....I have to chuckle
 
HuskyFan16 said:
Again... Yes there is reason to believe that the bball schools would have gotten a much larger contract. The Fox contract is what the open market paid for the Catholic schools plus Xavier, Creighton, and Butler. The schools that left the Big East were much more valuable basketball commodities both in actual pedigree and viewership. BUT there never came a time where the open market was allowed to set the price for that basketball league. The ESPN offer was made within ESPN's exclusive bargaining period.

Do you not understand how that works Peeps?
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do you not understand that the entire league was sabotaged before the open market was available? this league would never have gotten to the open market because of ESPN and the ACC. the hypothetical that the BE would have gotten more on the open market is preposterous and rhetorical only. it would never have gotten that far.

and upstater... a throwaway line in a katz article with absolutely no breakdown? no thanks. i'll take the other ESPN article that actually breaks it down. i've never seen $1.4B anywhere else.
 
You're whole argument was predicated on the assumption that if the Catholic schools had decided to take a contract with the Big East, then that must mean all of the old Big East schools would have decided to stick together. I don't think you can sit there and say you think the Catholic schools would have stayed even after Syracuse, Pitt, TCU and West Virginia left. Your argument was specifically about the amount of money the Catholic schools would have gotten if teams had stayed in the Big East versus what they got by leaving.

EXCEPT, if teams had decided to stay in the Big East, the first contract would not have been the one that was accepted. So no that point is not rhetorical. It is not as though ESPN has some magical power where it can just command by fiat that "THE BIG EAST SHALT NEVER BE ALLOWED TO PUT THEIR TELEVISION RIGHTS ON THE OPEN MARKET." That decision was the product of the aforementioned traitors who made the conscious decision that they did not want to be in an eastern focused sports conference. To each his own, but yes, if the basketball schools had remained in the Big East then they would be making more money than they do with FOX.
 
upstater said:
I can give you approximately 73,432 other links that reference the $1.4B.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...oner-says-big-east-defections-were-inevitable

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...w-looming-tv-payday-could-lead-to-big-changes
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thanks for the cbs article that had this nugget:

Using the figures the Big East reportedly turned down from ESPN -- $1.4 billion for nine years -- the league's nine football members (including TCU) would have earned between $14.5 million and $16.93 million a year

using $14.5-16.93M range for NINE football members doesn't leave a whole helluva a lot left for the BB schools.

$155.5M total annual - 130.5M for FB schools = $25M remaining
$25M remaining / 8 BB schools = $3.125M per BB school

and that is the low range of what FB schools were offered. i would need to know the AAV of what the FB schools were offered (somewhere between $14.5 and $16.93M) to know how much lower than $3.125 the BB schools would have gotten.

thank you for providing more ammo for my point.

the BB schools are making out nicely in their fox deal.
 
peeps said:
thanks for the cbs article that had this nugget:

Using the figures the Big East reportedly turned down from ESPN -- $1.4 billion for nine years -- the league's nine football members (including TCU) would have earned between $14.5 million and $16.93 million a year

using $14.5-16.93M range for NINE football members doesn't leave a whole helluva a lot left for the BB schools.

$155.5M total annual - 130.5M for FB schools = $25M remaining
$25M remaining / 8 BB schools = $3.125M per BB school

and that is the low range of what FB schools were offered. i would need to know the AAV of what the FB schools were offered (somewhere between $14.5 and $16.93M) to know how much lower than $3.125 the BB schools would have gotten.

thank you for providing more ammo for my point.

the BB schools are making out nicely in their fox deal.
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Let's face it, it could be $3m for the bball schools, it could be $6m. no one knows because everyone has different info.

Almost all the articles say it's $13.5 m a year for football schools. it could be that writer is bad at math.

If it were really $17m a year, Pitt would have never turned that money down, since the ACC was at $13m and going up to $17m.
 
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peeps said:
backtrack much?
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You sound certain that the football schools were offered almost $15-17m a year. Are you certain?

You were certain earlier that the bball schools were at $2.25m. Now you're at $3.1m. Backtracking?

Are you certain of your numbers?
 
certain? no. but that report (which you shared) reports that the FB schools would get $14.5-$16.93... the important number to know would be AAV which would be somewhere between those 2 numbers.

you seem awfully certain that the average is $13.5/yr for FB. i have not seen that to be the case. CBS reported at least $14.5 and ESPN reported "nearly $14M". it might seem like semantics to you, but in the end it is huge dollars to the BB schools. and a guarantee. and security that there won't be turmoil 1-2 years after they sign the deal.
 
PS.... i like your edited post in which the original stated "only a dunce cherrypicks conflicting info". solid delete on your part.
 
peeps said:
PS.... i like your edited post in which the original stated "only a dunce cherrypicks conflicting info". solid delete on your part.
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Let me tell you something, only dunces cherrypick conflicting info.

Why are you backtracking by the way?
 
i'll try your form of argument:

let's face it... $2.25M per year or $3.125M per year.... any way you slice it, BB schools are better off with a minimum of $4.166M per year and security that the conference is united.
 
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upstater said:
Let me tell you something, only dunces cherrypick conflicting info.

Why are you backtracking by the way?
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from the poster that cherrypicked the low reported $13.5M per FB school per year and the high overall $1.4B over 9 for total deal. dunces indeed...
 
I readily admitted I have no absolute certain info. Why would you show conflicting numbers? I ask, are you certain? Then you backtracked. What more needs to be said?
 
Geezus!!! I haven't watched this "documentary" and probably won't based on what I've read here, But it's obviously not meant to be a memoriam of how great the Big East was from roughly 1984 to 2012. The filmmaker had an agenda and he achieved his goal. You guys are obviously still talking about it. Let it go. The Big East is no more...at least in comparison to what it once was. There's a lot of blame to go around and whether you're off by a $mil her or a $mil there on an unexecuted contract that no one really has any detail on wont get it back.
 
i think the broad point is that the BB schools like where they are and are getting paid well with long term security.

uconn is still "hoping to god" they get a call from the B1G or ACC... no one is happy with the AAC.
 
peeps said:
i think the broad point is that the BB schools like where they are and are getting paid well with long term security.

uconn is still "hoping to god" they get a call from the B1G or ACC... no one is happy with the AAC.
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$4m is getting paid? ugh, that kills UConn.

Right now UConn is getting $8m a year when you factor in the $6m from the left over money for the next 4 years, plus the IMG money.

In 5 years, when the tap runs dry, then UConn will be in trouble, but a move down to $4m certainly isn't going to help.
 
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last year... BE BB schools were getting ~$1.4M. regardless of any rhetorical contracts that were or were not turned down... they are now getting $4.16 which can increase with expansion to 12 teams.

i'm CERTAINLY not arguing about finances between uconn and BE schools. the state of CT can drop a billion dollars or so any time they please to help the school.
 
peeps said:
last year... BE BB schools were getting ~$1.4M. regardless of any rhetorical contracts that were or were not turned down... they are now getting $4.16 which can increase with expansion to 12 teams.

i'm CERTAINLY not arguing about finances between uconn and BE schools. the state of CT can drop a billion dollars or so any time they please to help the school.
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Sure, you are getting $4M, but don't forget you left $100M in the kitty and nobody is watching your league.
 
WestHartHusk said:
Sure, you are getting $4M, but don't forget you left $100M in the kitty and nobody is watching your league.
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i've read $70M...

and as to the bolded point... we're in the same boat there (yikes without lousiville).

fox seems to know what they are doing in all other facets of business, so i would bet on them to succeed. don't forget this whole venture was thrown together very quickly last year.
 
peeps said:
i've read $70M...

and as to the bolded point... we're in the same boat there (yikes without lousiville).

fox seems to know what they are doing in all other facets of business, so i would bet on them to succeed. don't forget this whole venture was thrown together very quickly last year.
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UConn - Memphis on ESPN: over 1 million viewers.
 
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UConnNick said:
What's wrong with you people? At least there was a still photo up on the screen for maybe two seconds showing our former AD, John Toner, throwing his hand into the middle of a huddle, with the other athletic directors of the original Big East Conference. And John was right in the middle of them all, sporting a big smile! What more do you want?
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John Toner taught my mom how to play golf. Also wrote me a nice letter of recommendation upon graduation.
 
Waquoit said:
During Pat Ewing's 1st year (the Freddie Brown game), UConn gave G'town it's worst loss, by 9 points at G'town. That team had talent, but horrible coaching. They ended up losing 7 out of their last 8. Any competent AD would have canned the coach. Instead, we gave him 4 more years. And when he finally brought in a good recruit, he didn't play him. During the timeframe of this doc, we were a joke.
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Good point. We briefly got into the Top 20 that season after beating 'nova at the HCC(on a Karl Hobbs putback).
 
upstater said:
UConn - Memphis on ESPN: over 1 million viewers.
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I dont know If I would mind how much people are watching right now if I was the nBE... they are still getting their sweet money they wanted and all games on TV. I would be worried after that 12 year contract is midway. Those numbers need to go up... but now? f c k it, they should enjoy the ride for now. In a few year its bound to go up
 
ecasadoSBU said:
I dont know If I would mind how much people are watching right now if I was the nBE... they are still getting their sweet money they wanted and all games on TV. I would be worried after that 12 year contract is midway. Those numbers need to go up... but now? f c k it, they should enjoy the ride for now. In a few year its bound to go up
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That's not the point. I wrote that to refute the idea that no one is watching UConn.
 
upstater said:
Uh, I'd say UConn sucked 1983-1987. It might depend on your definition of suck but 20 wins and 8-6 BE record in 1981 and then a 7-7 BE record in 1982. They were decent to mediocre in 1982. In 1981 they were actually good.

Many teams have had a longer period of suckage.
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I was a senior when we joined the BE in 1979(and broadcast the very first BE game--a December '79 Field House wipeout of Seton Hall--on WHUS. That year, and for the next several, we were looking up at the 3 titans of the league: GT, Syr and StJ. We got off to great starts in '80-'81 and '81-'82 but faded into the NIT at the end. IMHO, the death of the BE was overexpansion. In my perfect hoop world, the conference would have been limited to 10 teams. Once it started adding non-Eastern teams, the end was inevitable.
 
swami7774 said:
I was a senior when we joined the BE in 1979(and broadcast the very first BE game--a December '79 Field House wipeout of Seton Hall--on WHUS. That year, and for the next several, we were looking up at the 3 titans of the league: GT, Syr and StJ. We got off to great starts in '80-'81 and '81-'82 but faded into the NIT at the end. IMHO, the death of the BE was overexpansion. In my perfect hoop world, the conference would have been limited to 10 teams. Once it started adding non-Eastern teams, the end was inevitable.
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Well it was Rutgers and West Virginia at first, no different than Pitt really. Then Miami for football, and Virginia Tech came along years later.
 
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