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Remember, Johnson is almost back

jdb50 said:
Knock off the he is going to need to earn his minutes BS. Samson can play and we will need him. Injuries fouls etc. Get him involved and reap the benefits when things matter.
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Add one more reason. He could fit better in certain matchups.
 
Did anyone happen to see if he was wearing a boot on the sideline? Hopefully the reporters ask about him at Hurleys availability before OKST.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Add one more reason. He could fit better in certain matchups.
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This!

With our mix of talent, and the depth of our roster, we don't necessarily get better or worse with a particular player in the lineup. Just different.

Swap out Clingan for Sanogo. Are we better or worse? Some stats might suggest better with Clingan. But mostly we are just a little different.

Match ups will tell who should be getting more minutes and when in the game.

Hurley has been a master at managing player rotations so far this season. Johnson will be just one more arrow in the quiver.
 
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I know all the preseason stuff Dan Hurley has said has been pretty accurate but I just don't see how Johnson starts - at this point I'd think he'll be fighting for floor time. Can't wait to be wrong and see him play :)
 
husky429 said:
I'd like to see him get the 10-15 minutes at the 4 when Karaban in sitting. I much prefer Andre getting his minutes at the 3. Probably means that Alleyne/Diarra/Calcaterra get their minutes reduced though.
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I don't think Joey is losing any minutes. The man is instant offense and money off the bench. Those qualities are always en vogue.
 
Icehawk said:
I know all the preseason stuff Dan Hurley has said has been pretty accurate but I just don't see how Johnson starts - at this point I'd think he'll be fighting for floor time. Can't wait to be wrong and see him play :)
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Crazy but as things are now- Alleyne and Johnson are our #9 and #10 guys. That’s how deep we are
 
jdb50 said:
Knock off the he is going to need to earn his minutes BS. Samson can play and we will need him. Injuries fouls etc. Get him involved and reap the benefits when things matter.
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He hasn't proved it in games. The other guys have to this point. He's going to have to recover, play well in practices, and then show out in very limited minutes when he gets his chance. If I'm Hurley, I can't just hand over minutes from other bigs to him until he earns it in games.
 
The reality is it’s going to be really hard to justify sitting Karaban with how good of a “glue guy” he is with all the fire power on this team. He can shoot, he always makes the right read, he skip passes, cuts without the ball and his defense has been serviceable. I can’t see him losing minutes to SJ.
 
Remember, this kid beat out Karaban for the starting gig. I can’t imagine that Alex just doesn’t show well in practice, so that means Sampson out performed a great player, and we are about to add another player as good or potentially better than Alex to the rotation. Sheesh!
 
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OkaForPrez said:
The reality is it’s going to be really hard to justify sitting Karaban with how good of a “glue guy” he is with all the fire power on this team. He can shoot, he always makes the right read, he skip passes, cuts without the ball and his defense has been serviceable. I can’t see him losing minutes to SJ.
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Karaban also has great rebounding instincts. Tough job for Dan Hurley but nice problem to have.
 
Joey, DC, and Johnson when healthy would be our top 3 players off the bench.
 
If Samson is healthy I think it will be vital to play him next Joey C who is definitely struggling despite real effort against other guards taking him to the hoop. Samson might provide just enough rim protection that those guards may hesitate taking it all the way to the cup.
 
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The way Karaban and Clingan are playing he will have a very hard time finding minutes.
 
seeya27 said:
I don't think Joey is losing any minutes. The man is instant offense and money off the bench. Those qualities are always en vogue.
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Guys can isolate him and take him off the dribble but his defense was actually better against the teams in the PK85 than it was against the cupcake teams.

And the opposing coaches have a lot more to worry about than exposing Joey C’s defense so I agree he will stay a part of the rotation and not lose many minutes unless he goes cold from 3
 
BuffaloHusky said:
If Samson is healthy I think it will be vital to play him next Joey C who is definitely struggling despite real effort against other guards taking him to the hoop. Samson might provide just enough rim protection that those guards may hesitate taking it all the way to the cup.
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Is everyone nuts? Joey C is bringing things Johnson won’t or at least hasn’t as of yet. Joey is shooting 55.6% from 3 and 62 overall with 82% from the line. Is SJ touching that, has he even shown that ability in a game we've seen? Nothing against the kid but we just gave up 53 against ISU who beat UNC. Joey C gets beat occasionally on D, no doubt. So does everyone else, and they aren't coming off the bench shooting the 3 at a 55% clip. Please, he may take a couple minutes from him but he will need to earn it for sure, there's never been a sign of all these things you guys believe he can do. Hell I hope he can and what I've seen from last year and one game is just nerves. But we're 8-0 and people can't wait for changes. Alleyne, while not playing well as of late, almost averaged 10 a game in the ACC and shot the 3 at a 38% clip. Don't forget him he will be fine and I know he can defend he's proven it.
 
mauconnfan said:
Is everyone nuts? Joey C is bringing things Johnson won’t or at least hasn’t as of yet. Joey is shooting 55.6% from 3 and 62 overall with 82% from the line. Is SJ touching that, has he even shown that ability in a game we've seen? Nothing against the kid but we just gave up 53 against ISU who beat UNC. Joey C gets beat occasionally on D, no doubt. So does everyone else, and they aren't coming off the bench shooting the 3 at a 55% clip. Please, he may take a couple minutes from him but he will need to earn it for sure, there's never been a sign of all these things you guys believe he can do. Hell I hope he can and what I've seen from last year and one game is just nerves. But we're 8-0 and people can't wait for changes. Alleyne, while not playing well as of late, almost averaged 10 a game in the ACC and shot the 3 at a 38% clip. Don't forget him he will be fine and I know he can defend he's proven it.
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Amen, brother.
 
OkaForPrez said:
The reality is it’s going to be really hard to justify sitting Karaban with how good of a “glue guy” he is with all the fire power on this team. He can shoot, he always makes the right read, he skip passes, cuts without the ball and his defense has been serviceable. I can’t see him losing minutes to SJ.
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Karaban played 37 minutes against ISU. He’s a freshman who didn’t play games last year and will hit a wall early if that continues. Whether Johnson gets those minutes or AJ gets some of them opening up more minutes for guards, Karaban would be better off not leading the team in minutes and that will open some up.

That having been said, Johnson will have to be really really good to get more than a few minutes a game, because it’s hard to believe Karaban isn’t going to continue to get starters minutes.

Think of this — if we leave Alleyne as a starter, even if not getting starters minutes (which I don’t think will happen but it could), we could bring in a second unit of AJ, Johnson, Clingan, Joey C and Diarra. Quite possible that unit, as starters, could compete for the Top 25. That’s depth.
 
Crazy. Everyone fighting for minutes with 10 men rotation. Hate to see anything disrupt our flow. A good problem to have nonetheless.
 
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OkaForPrez said:
The reality is it’s going to be really hard to justify sitting Karaban with how good of a “glue guy” he is with all the fire power on this team. He can shoot, he always makes the right read, he skip passes, cuts without the ball and his defense has been serviceable. I can’t see him losing minutes to SJ.
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Rather than the 30mpg he averaged in Portland, I'd like to see us push him down to 25mpg (ish) and allow those extra 10 or so minutes to go to Johnson. I'm assuming he's going to be on some kind of heavy minutes restriction if it's a foot issue, and I think 10mpg is probably in line with his skill level anyways.

With no Andre at the 4, it'll probably make our guards minutes even tougher now though. Alleyne and Diarra are going to need to show out and earn their spot.

Great thing about this team is all of our bench players have the potential to be a starting-caliber player. They need to play well to earn their minutes, or we're putting a good player on the bench.
 
mauconnfan said:
Is everyone nuts? Joey C is bringing things Johnson won’t or at least hasn’t as of yet. Joey is shooting 55.6% from 3 and 62 overall with 82% from the line. Is SJ touching that, has he even shown that ability in a game we've seen? Nothing against the kid but we just gave up 53 against ISU who beat UNC. Joey C gets beat occasionally on D, no doubt. So does everyone else, and they aren't coming off the bench shooting the 3 at a 55% clip. Please, he may take a couple minutes from him but he will need to earn it for sure, there's never been a sign of all these things you guys believe he can do. Hell I hope he can and what I've seen from last year and one game is just nerves. But we're 8-0 and people can't wait for changes. Alleyne, while not playing well as of late, almost averaged 10 a game in the ACC and shot the 3 at a 38% clip. Don't forget him he will be fine and I know he can defend he's proven it.
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At this point, of Diarra/Alleyne/Calcaterra as the backup guards, it seems likely Calcaterra is going to maintain 20mpg, unless his shooting goes ice cold. Diarra and Alleyne need to start shooting well or they're seeing the bench. With Andre as a 30mpg type of player and we have to put shooters on the floor. Even on a good shooting night for him, teams are going to sag off his shot when he's facilitating. He isn't really a pull up threat.

Also, let's please (please) put Joey C in the game every minute Clingan is in the game. they have ridiculous chemistry.
 
3rdbass said:
We could have a real 10 man rotation. This feels like the early 90's teams with the depth or even the 1999 team. We have a good mix of offensive and defensive players on this team.
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10 now, 8 in BET, 7 in NCAA. 10 right now to serve the dual purpose of keeping some fresh and letting some continue to develop.
 
mauconnfan said:
Is everyone nuts? Joey C is bringing things Johnson won’t or at least hasn’t as of yet. Joey is shooting 55.6% from 3 and 62 overall with 82% from the line. Is SJ touching that, has he even shown that ability in a game we've seen? Nothing against the kid but we just gave up 53 against ISU who beat UNC. Joey C gets beat occasionally on D, no doubt. So does everyone else, and they aren't coming off the bench shooting the 3 at a 55% clip. Please, he may take a couple minutes from him but he will need to earn it for sure, there's never been a sign of all these things you guys believe he can do. Hell I hope he can and what I've seen from last year and one game is just nerves. But we're 8-0 and people can't wait for changes. Alleyne, while not playing well as of late, almost averaged 10 a game in the ACC and shot the 3 at a 38% clip. Don't forget him he will be fine and I know he can defend he's proven it.
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this
 
BuffaloHusky said:
If Samson is healthy I think it will be vital to play him next Joey C who is definitely struggling despite real effort against other guards taking him to the hoop. Samson might provide just enough rim protection that those guards may hesitate taking it all the way to the cup.
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Well a healthy Johnson is some thing I think we all can appreciate.
 
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