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I love the big east…we have history with this league… but if the big 12 offers full membership…uconn would probably take it… I wouldn’t like it… our athletes would be flying all over the country to play schools we don’t have any history with
 
mikeinmanila said:
If the Big12 was smart they'd take Georgetown, Villanova, St John's and UConn for all sports + Army, Navy and Air Force as football only.
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Getting Army Navy and possibly Air Force in the same conference makes sense
 
If I were UConn, I would insist on a 5-game football schedule, a higher revenue share than the basketball only schools, and a realistic plan in place for full membership should certain metrics be met. Otherwise, Big 12 Membership makes little sense.
 
Beachview said:
I love the big east…we have history with this league… but if the big 12 offers full membership…uconn would probably take it… I wouldn’t like it… our athletes would be flying all over the country to play schools we don’t have any history with
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So you'd rather stay in a small time league of tiny Catholic schools that only want to play a handful of sports?
 
I've seen a number of rumors bouncing around where lesser P5 conferences are considering partial membership for new schools.

I'll believe it when I see it. My take is at the moment the B-12 & P-12 are merely tossing out ideas hoping one can create some traction for an increase in television revenues. When it is officially announced that a Gonzaga, St St John's, Georgetown or Villanova will be added to one of these conferences or that we will be added in all sports except football I will believe it. Until then I'll believe this is merely off the cuff ideas that the internet gave a life.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
I've seen a number of rumors bouncing around where lesser P5 conferences are considering partial membership for new schools.

I'll believe it when I see it. My take is at the moment the B-12 & P-12 are merely tossing out ideas hoping one can create some traction for an increase in television revenues. When it is officially announced that a Gonzaga, St St John's, Georgetown or Villanova will be added to one of these conferences or that we will be added in all sports except football I will believe it. Until then I'll believe this is merely off the cuff ideas that the internet gave a life.
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I don't necessarily disagree.

For the B12 to add a handful of BB schools there is going to be a lot of consultant work and Fox media pricing work and general touring and pony show activity to get there. It seems to me the current B12 members would need to have a few closed door meetings to consent which ought to have some drama and leaks. Instead its more likely is that we are at the sketch stage...and we don't go beyond sketch before the P12 decides its fate first.

I do think a scenario that could play out is that the P12 holds for a 5 year deal, the BE holds for a 5-6 year deal and the table is set for the B12 to do this all over again at the end of the decade- but this time they are set up to act because their homework is complete and consent has been given.
 
Beachview said:
I love the big east…we have history with this league… but if the big 12 offers full membership…uconn would probably take it… I wouldn’t like it… our athletes would be flying all over the country to play schools we don’t have any history with
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we're already flying all over the country to play schools we don't have history with.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
No deal. That's an attempt to acquire a premium product like UConn basketball for pennies on the dollar.
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How many pennies are we talking about? Are the total B12 pennies more valuable than the NBE total pennies? Is there a roadmap to add football? Can we get a full share for all sports, but take a partial share for football which is greater than 500K per year, plus some travel cost coverage?
 
mikeinmanila said:
If the Big12 was smart they'd take Georgetown, Villanova, St John's and UConn for all sports + Army, Navy and Air Force as football only.
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Why is that smart? I am trying to understand the rationale, becuase I am not seeing this as a decent move.
 
If we win a national championship and our football keeps moving in the right direction… I would imagine we would be pretty valuable to a lot of conferences… geography we are kind of on a island but our basketball is second to none
 
Beachview said:
If we win a national championship and our football keeps moving in the right direction… I would imagine we would be pretty valuable to a lot of conferences… geography we are kind of on a island but our basketball is second to none
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We're in the middle of the ACCs northern geography, a perfect fit.
 
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Stinger92860 said:
Why is that smart? I am trying to understand the rationale, becuase I am not seeing this as a decent move.
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For basketball, adds new eastern markets (WDC+ Philly + NYC + New England) with top Big East brands.

For football, adds new metro areas (WDC + NYC + New England + Colorado) and adds national brands (i.e., service academies).
 
John said:
We're in the middle of the ACCs northern geography, a perfect fit.
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We are… but they seem to have no interest in us…like i said… i prefer the big east..but im sure if we got a invite to any of the money conferences..uconn would accept
 
It would be problematic for Army and Navy football to be in the same conference. They play each other one week after conference championship games. This generates high television ratings because it’s the only game in the country that weekend.

If it were a conference game, how could you play a conference game one week after the conference championship games?
 
Ldandy said:
If I were UConn, I would insist on a 5-game football schedule, a higher revenue share than the basketball only schools, and a realistic plan in place for full membership should certain metrics be met. Otherwise, Big 12 Membership makes little sense.
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So you're saying that you want the Notre Dame-ACC deal. I don't think that the Huskies have THAT much cachet...
 
CoastAtlantic said:
FWIW, the Monty Show has just said this afternoon that the Big 12 is looking into Creighton and UConn for everything except football.
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The whole “everything except football” thing just makes no sense to me. It’s easy to deal with the travel of a far-flung conference for six football games, but for other sports, it’s a big expense without the offsetting reward of football money.
 
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coachcap said:
So you're saying that you want the Notre Dame-ACC deal. I don't think that the Huskies have THAT much cachet...
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Notre Dame does not receive a premium over basketball only money.

Without a defined path for football to join so we can get full member revenue, I don’t think this makes any sense, unless they are dramatically over, paying for basketball and our Olympic sports, or we believe the Big East is about to collapse.
 
coachcap said:
So you're saying that you want the Notre Dame-ACC deal. I don't think that the Huskies have THAT much cachet...
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I didn't say you would get it, but if ever there was a time that UConn might be able to leverage its way into a better deal with the Big 12, it might be right now. Their current conference commissioner appears to have a much higher valuation of basketball than the rest of the current P5 Conferences combined. He's expressed a desire for The Big 12 to expand coast-to-coast, while openly discussing playing games in The NY Metro Area. If UConn were to win the national championship in basketball again, it could be very attractive for spearheading The Big 12's Efforts in NY. Would this be attractive enough to warrant special consideration? I have no idea, but receiving only future scheduling consideration for non-conference football games should be a non-starter for your AD.
 
Ldandy said:
I didn't say you would get it, but if ever there was a time that UConn might be able to leverage its way into a better deal with the Big 12, it might be right now. Their current conference commissioner appears to have a much higher valuation of basketball than the rest of the current P5 Conferences combined. He's expressed a desire for The Big 12 to expand coast-to-coast, while openly discussing playing games in The NY Metro Area. If UConn were to win the national championship in basketball again, it could be very attractive for spearheading The Big 12's Efforts in NY. Would this be attractive enough to warrant special consideration? I have no idea, but receiving only future scheduling consideration for non-conference football games should be a non-starter for your AD.
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Which raises an interesting question. If you have a choice of a big 12 partial membership with a pass to full membership or an ACC full membership, which do you take?

It seems like an ACC membership is a no-brainer except that the big 12 may end up being the more stable and more lucrative conference. I would expect the ACC to look dramatically different after 2036.
 
CL82 said:
Notre Dame does not receive a premium over basketball only money.

Without a defined path for football to join so we can get full member revenue, I don’t think this makes any sense, unless they are dramatically over, paying for basketball and our Olympic sports, or we believe the Big East is about to collapse.
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What is a scheduling alliance was part of the deal?
 
GG said:
What is a scheduling alliance was part of the deal?
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Notre Dame agrees to schedule 5 ACC opponents a season when it join the ACC in other sports.
 
CL82 said:
Notre Dame agrees to schedule 5 ACC opponents a season when it join the ACC in other sports.
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Sorry, I meant to say what if it included a scheduling alliance?
 
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Rufus said:
If it were a conference game, how could you play a conference game one week after the conference championship games?
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The only way is to not have them play each other in conference ever and have it be an “out of conference game”. It’s never going to happen, but this is the only way I see it.
 
Beachview said:
If we win a national championship and our football keeps moving in the right direction… I would imagine we would be pretty valuable to a lot of conferences… geography we are kind of on a island but our basketball is second to none
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USC and UCLA proves that geography is not an issue
 
Beachview said:
I love the big east…we have history with this league… but if the big 12 offers full membership…uconn would probably take it… I wouldn’t like it… our athletes would be flying all over the country to play schools we don’t have any history with
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Does the Civil ConFLiCT not exist???
 
CL82 said:
Which raises an interesting question. If you have a choice of a big 12 partial membership with a pass to full membership or an ACC full membership, which do you take?

It seems like an ACC membership is a no-brainer except that the big 12 may end up being the more stable and more lucrative conference. I would expect the ACC to look dramatically different after 2036.
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Would a dramatically different ACC be a bad thing? (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, USF, GA Tech, UConn). It’s probably the edible talking, but I like it.
 
GG said:
Sorry, I meant to say what if it included a scheduling alliance?
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I’m not sure what you’re asking.
 
Hogoff said:
Would a dramatically different ACC be a bad thing? (BC, Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, USF, GA Tech, UConn). It’s probably the edible talking, but I like it.
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I agree, but it appears like it is going to be a weak sister moneywise. That’s pretty much what happened to the Big East.
 
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