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CTFAN4LIFE said:
I bet some concrete gets poured. If nothing else it's a start to prevent the demise of college athletes, which I think we all agree is the most important aspect.
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Welll...to play the flip side...

The spokespeople were very quick to point out that the alliance “is not about revenue"…WHY THE HELL NOT ? That’s what this whole thing is about. Revenue and trying to ensure your member schools can win a national championship.

Maybe I'm just an old southern football guy on a rant..

But screw being unique, woke, caring more about academics etc. We’re talking about athletics here. More specifically football….just copy the SEC. Try to beat them at their own game.

But instead we have these dorks talking about wanting to form an alliance to preserve academic excellence among athletes and talk about social matters and gender issues. I’m really hoping that they are just keeping things under wraps and they have a much better plan/vision but I’m not getting my hopes up.

The main result, I think, will be an attempt to stick a monkey wrench in the SEC's/Notre Dame's plan to populate the playoff and to delay until the CFP contract comes up in 2025. Rather than ESPN walking with it, maybe have other bidders in a revamped format.
 
billybud said:
Welll...to play the flip side...

The spokespeople were very quick to point out that the alliance “is not about revenue"…WHY THE HELL NOT ? That’s what this whole thing is about. Revenue and trying to ensure your member schools can win a national championship.

Maybe I'm just an old southern football guy on a rant..

But screw being unique, woke, caring more about academics etc. We’re talking about athletics here. More specifically football….just copy the SEC. Try to beat them at their own game.

But instead we have these dorks talking about wanting to form an alliance to preserve academic excellence among athletes and talk about social matters and gender issues. I’m really hoping that they are just keeping things under wraps and they have a much better plan/vision but I’m not getting my hopes up.

The main result, I think, will be an attempt to stick a monkey wrench in the SEC's/Notre Dame's plan to populate the playoff and to delay until the CFP contract comes up in 2025. Rather than ESPN walking with it, maybe have other bidders in a revamped format.
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I think you brought up the whole point of this by stating "just copy the SEC". They don't want to go the route of the SEC. The other conferences want more of a balance on things beyond big boy football.

Just saw this article - it sheds a bit of that perspective:

www.seattletimes.com

Beyond scheduling and playoff expansion, here’s what the ‘historic’ Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC alliance actually means for UW

On Tuesday, the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC announced an inter-conference alliance. But beyond dubbing it "historic," specifics were scarce. Here's what the alliance actually means for Washington.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com
 
billybud said:
Welll...to play the flip side...

The spokespeople were very quick to point out that the alliance “is not about revenue"…WHY THE HELL NOT ? That’s what this whole thing is about. Revenue and trying to ensure your member schools can win a national championship.

Maybe I'm just an old southern football guy on a rant..

But screw being unique, woke, caring more about academics etc. We’re talking about athletics here. More specifically football….just copy the SEC. Try to beat them at their own game.

But instead we have these dorks talking about wanting to form an alliance to preserve academic excellence among athletes and talk about social matters and gender issues. I’m really hoping that they are just keeping things under wraps and they have a much better plan/vision but I’m not getting my hopes up.

The main result, I think, will be an attempt to stick a monkey wrench in the SEC's/Notre Dame's plan to populate the playoff and to delay until the CFP contract comes up in 2025. Rather than ESPN walking with it, maybe have other bidders in a revamped format.
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Here's a counter rant.

ACC schools want a better contract? Give viewers games worth watching. Teams besides Clemson need to join or rejoin the nationally relevant and stay there.

Pretty much same thing goes for the PAC 12.
 
FSU and Miami are still brands....and both are rebuilding...we'll see.
 
But USC is opening with LSU in 2024...what does that mean vs Alliance?
 
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A lot of games had been planned already...

SEC vs ACC...examples of future games on the books,,,a total of near 70 games over the next 6 seasosn....


Clemson-Georgia (X5), Clemson-LSU (X2),

FSU-LSU (X2), FSU-Alabama (x2), FSU-Georgia (X2)

Louisville -Georgia (X2), Louisville-Ole Miss, Louisville-Texas A&M (X2),

Miami-Alabama, Miami-Texas A&M (X2), Miami-Florida, Miami-Auburn (X2)

and others playing the SEC..NC State, BC, Virginia, VT, Pitt

And of course, the annual in state rival games vs Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, and Kentucky

Plus adding in the 30 games with Notre Dame means a lot of the schedule is decided.
 
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Houston, SMU, Cinci, UCF and Memphis are all candidates. So Houston (or SMU) Cinci, UCF and BYU?

Can the American survive that loss?
 
CL82 said:
Houston, SMU, Cinci, UCF and Memphis are all candidates. So Houston (or SMU) Cinci, UCF and BYU?

Can the American survive that loss?
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As an alumnus of an ACC school, I'd be delighted to donate a few of my alma mater's conference mates. Does the Big 12 offer free pickup or would I need to drop them off?
 
CL82 said:
Houston, SMU, Cinci, UCF and Memphis are all candidates. So Houston (or SMU) Cinci, UCF and BYU?

Can the American survive that loss?
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That makes too much sense if your talking about entertainment value decent football great basketball conference possibly the best since the old Big East.
However ESPN is run by bean counters not sports people who think:
Hypothetically That first conference might cost us $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 a team that a bunch of money.
If we just add 4-5 teams to the AAC we could get them for $8,000,000 $10 max
do the math
 
Eavesdrop said:
As an alumnus of an ACC school, I'd be delighted to donate a few of my alma mater's conference mates. Does the Big 12 offer free pickup or would I need to drop them off?
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If it is BC or Cuse...just leave them on the street next to your recycle bin for pick up. Some recyclers are choosy though and may classify as trash.
 
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AZHuskiePop said:
That makes too much sense if your talking about entertainment value decent football great basketball conference possibly the best since the old Big East.
However ESPN is run by bean counters not sports people who think:
Hypothetically That first conference might cost us $15,000,000 to $20,000,000 a team that a bunch of money.
If we just add 4-5 teams to the AAC we could get them for $8,000,000 $10 max
do the math
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ESPN isn't going to have the rights anyway. Big XII is mostly Fox. They are talking to Amazon. I think BYU and Cincinnati are locks. Beyond that I think UCF and Houston are good next tier. I don't think Memphis or SMU has much of a chance, and would probably be behind Colorado State. Big XII will not be bothered at all by taking the value out of ESPN property American Conference.
 
MemphisBlues said:
Difficult to say whether those 7 schools are based on Thamel's personal opinion or Thamel's inside sources.
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That said, I think it's a stretch that TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech want both SMU and Houston in the conference. I can see one but not both.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think BYU and Cincinnati are locks. Beyond that I think UCF and Houston are good next tier. I don't think Memphis or SMU has much of a chance, and would probably be behind Colorado State.
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The Big 12 adding BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston seems like the most likely outcome to me too.

But I personally believe UCF would be a mistake. Cable subscriptions/market size are still important now. But those metrics are becoming increasingly less relevant as cord cutting accelerates. Adding a school that will have no natural league rival and that sits more than 900 miles away from its closest conference mate just seems like a silly play for a streaming future.

I'd try to foster rivalries/passion by building a footprint that makes a semblance of geographic sense. I'd accordingly advocate for BYU, Colorado State and Houston. I'd also lobby for Cincinnati to help bridge the distance to the West Virginia. And if Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor blocked Houston, I'd advocate for Memphis because it would further still bridge the distance to Morgantown.
 
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Note that Colorado St, which many on this board are pushing for some unknown reason, is not in the top 7.

I don’t think they’d want both Hou and SMU l
but they might feel the need to shore up their TX presence — UT is gone, the WAC (with 6 TX schools) is considering an upgrade to FBS, and the Mtn West could return to TX if they need to backfill or the AAC implodes.
b12 needs to be clear #2 in TX
 
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Vowelguy said:
Note that Colorado St, which many on this board are pushing for some unknown reason, is not in the top 7.
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Not sure if you're referring to me or not?

If so, I explained why I'd advocate for Colorado State if I were a Big 12 leader. I personally believe building a footprint that makes geographic sense is in the conference's long term best interest. Colorado State sits nicely between current Big 12 member Kansas State and (reportedly "no brainer" addition) BYU.

But, as I also noted, I believe the actual leaders of the Big 12 will probably add BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston. All four of those are among the seven schools mentioned by Berry Trammel.
 
Eavesdrop said:
Not sure if you're referring to me or not?

If so, I explained why I'd advocate for Colorado State if I were a Big 12 leader. I personally believe building a footprint that makes geographic sense is in the conference's long term best interest. Colorado State sits nicely between current Big 12 member Kansas State and (reportedly "no brainer" addition) BYU.

But, as I also noted, I believe the actual leaders of the Big 12 will probably add BYU, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston. All four of those are among the seven schools mentioned by Berry Trammel.
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Think i've seen multiple posters arguing for Colorado St.

This is not about cultural fit, longterm interests, or even footprint (for the most part). The sole goal is to try to maintain status as a P5 conference. BYU/Cinci/Boise/et al makes that as strong a FB conference as the PAC and possibly the ACC.

Fail on that front and it's irrelevance/G5 land.
 
Vowelguy said:
Think i've seen multiple posters arguing for Colorado St.

This is not about cultural fit, longterm interests, or even footprint (for the most part). The sole goal is to try to maintain status as a P5 conference. BYU/Cinci/Boise/et al makes that as strong a FB conference as the PAC and possibly the ACC.

Fail on that front and it's irrelevance/G5 land.
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There is no putting the Big XII back together again. It is permanently below the P4.
 
JeepCSC said:
There is no putting the Big XII back together again. It is permanently below the P4.
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I think his point is that a reconstituted Big XII could become the dominant non-P4 conference in most years and have an entry to the CFP most years.
 
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