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Race for 1 Seed (2/5)

Modern day metrics may be worse than ever. Once again showing how they're a self fulfilling prophecy

We beat IL, they have 7 losses, they play in the almighty B10 that hasn't won a tittle since 2000. "The body of work y'know," and Purdue couldn't even compete in 2024. They're still ahead of us

We beat FL, they have 6 losses, they play in the almighty SEC. Who is good in the SEC again? They all lose a lot. Walter Clayton Jr is not walking through the door. Their 2025 title might be the most fortuitous of all time. Along with VA in 2019. They're ahead of us

Houston just lost three straight, including to a team we beat in their house, they're still ahead of us

Purdue and ISU are ahead of us too, please

WINNING matters people, no matter what that math tries to tell you
What an original opinion that definitely hasn’t been posted 1000 times by other idiots. Maybe we’d look better in the predictive metrics if we hadn’t played a bunch of games at a level that had even a large percentage of this board questioning how good we are. We’re also ranked way above all those teams in WAB which, and you’re not going to believe this, also counts as math.
 
Modern day metrics may be worse than ever. Once again showing how they're a self fulfilling prophecy

We beat IL, they have 7 losses, they play in the almighty B10 that hasn't won a tittle since 2000. "The body of work y'know," and Purdue couldn't even compete in 2024. They're still ahead of us

We beat FL, they have 6 losses, they play in the almighty SEC. Who is good in the SEC again? They all lose a lot. Walter Clayton Jr is not walking through the door. Their 2025 title might be the most fortuitous of all time. Along with VA in 2019. They're ahead of us

Houston just lost three straight, including to a team we beat in their house, they're still ahead of us

Purdue and ISU are ahead of us too, please

WINNING matters people, no matter what that math tries to tell you

This post could be satire.
 
The race for the final 1 seed this year reminds me of 2009. Pretty much the entire sports media was crying that Memphis deserved the final 1 seed over UConn. UConn gets the 1 then gets to the final four. Memphis didn’t even get to the elite 8.
 
I just showed why metrics and metrics alone are satire. Not everybody can appreciate the nuances of the truth, they need simple solutions to guide them.
 
I just showed why metrics and metrics alone are satire. Not everybody can appreciate the nuances of the truth, they need simple solutions to guide them.
I guess Miami OH is the best team in the country? They're just winning after all.
 
The race for the final 1 seed this year reminds me of 2009. Pretty much the entire sports media was crying that Memphis deserved the final 1 seed over UConn. UConn gets the 1 then gets to the final four. Memphis didn’t even get to the elite 8.

For me, it's as recent as 2024. They argued Purdue was the number one team in the country, based on metrics, based on the "body of work". They played in the almighty B10 dontchaknow. They lost in the conference championship game, so I think we became the number one overall seed (what a shame)

But Purdue never competed with us in the title game, blowout city. So much for that body of work and the almighty B10

We destroyed three mighty B10 teams in that tournament. Despite the fact that we were blown out by Creighton and the Big East teams gave us better games than any OOC team that year
 
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Seems the battle for the final 1 seed may be down to UConn and Florida. I love the way Florida plays, especially their front line, but their guards leave something be desired in big games. That said, they are absolutely in contention for the Final Four and are a menace to play again. I think the final 1 seed may come down to UConn and Florida. Yes, the SEC is a better league than the Big East, but the SEC is not nearly the league it was last year or even close to the Big 10 or Big 12 this year. Florida has some nice league wins and certainly is pounding teams, but they don't have any great non-conference wins. UConn's non-conference wins are tremendous, UConn has last 2 Big East games and may end up finishing 18-2 in the league (I don't care what people think of the Big East, that's a tremendous job in a league with a lot of mediocre teams but no god awful teams), and most importantly to all the Jamal Mashburns, Bruce Pearls, and Seth Greenbergs, UConn beat Florida head to head this year. If that doesn't put UConn over the top for the 1 seed, then why are we playing the games.
 
Graham Doeren Bracketology
@GrahamDoeren


3-loss UConn's five most valuable WAB wins: Florida (N), Illinois (N), at Kansas, at Villanova, BYU (N)
6-loss Florida's: at Vandy, at Texas A&M, at UGA, at Texas, at Oklahoma
Much stronger top wins and half as many losses for UConn.

This pretty much sums it up. Again, if you want to give Florida the 1 seed go ahead, they are a great team, but stop playing the games then.
 
duke zone and mich significantly better resumes than everyone else ; uconn other #1 and florida the 2 in UConn region … can’t see that changing no matter what ….the rest of the 2s and 3s totally unpredictable and open .
 
Would love to get the 1 seed, but if we don’t get the 1 in the South Region, wouldn’t we then just drop to the 2 in the same region? At that point, does it really matter? We are going to potentially face a top 4 seed and/or a team that is playing its best basketball of the season in the Sweet 16 regardless. Also, we are not going to have a home court/regional advantage in that region anyways.
 
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Would love to get the 1 seed, but if we don’t get the 1 in the South Region, wouldn’t we then just drop to the 2 in the same region? At that point, does it really matter? We are going to potentially face a top 4 seed and/or a team that is playing its best basketball of the season in the Sweet 16 regardless. Also, we are not going to have a home court/regional advantage in that region anyways.
Yeah the narrative changed drastically when Duke beat Michigan and they have the clear path to the #1 overall. I don’t think we will drop below the “best 2 seed” unless we lose to Marquette and then on the Thursday of the BET. In other words, we’re not gonna be in the East.
 
Yeah the narrative changed drastically when Duke beat Michigan and they have the clear path to the #1 overall. I don’t think we will drop below the “best 2 seed” unless we lose to Marquette and then on the Thursday of the BET. In other words, we’re not gonna be in the East.
2 in the East w/Duke vs 1 in the South w/Florida is an interesting argument. Let's not forget Florida played Duke down to the wire in Cameron this year.

W/Duke - Scheyer hasn't seen us, isn't as a good a coach as Golden. Gets us a favorable geo.

W/Florida - we're not surprising Golden at this point, would be a revenge game, and it's out in Houston/no man's land.
 
Seems the battle for the final 1 seed may be down to UConn and Florida. I love the way Florida plays, especially their front line, but their guards leave something be desired in big games. That said, they are absolutely in contention for the Final Four and are a menace to play again. I think the final 1 seed may come down to UConn and Florida. Yes, the SEC is a better league than the Big East, but the SEC is not nearly the league it was last year or even close to the Big 10 or Big 12 this year. Florida has some nice league wins and certainly is pounding teams, but they don't have any great non-conference wins. UConn's non-conference wins are tremendous, UConn has last 2 Big East games and may end up finishing 18-2 in the league (I don't care what people think of the Big East, that's a tremendous job in a league with a lot of mediocre teams but no god awful teams), and most importantly to all the Jamal Mashburns, Bruce Pearls, and Seth Greenbergs, UConn beat Florida head to head this year. If that doesn't put UConn over the top for the 1 seed, then why are we playing the games.
It’s for the South, so slots 4 & 5 on S-curve. Marginal opponent difference in each round. The 1 vs. the 2 is the same, marginal.
 
2 in the East w/Duke vs 1 in the South w/Florida is an interesting argument. Let's not forget Florida played Duke down to the wire in Cameron this year.

W/Duke - Scheyer hasn't seen us, isn't as a good a coach as Golden. Gets us a favorable geo.

W/Florida - we're not surprising Golden at this point, would be a revenge game, and it's out in Houston/no man's land.
I agree it’s a coin flip regarding which is a better match up. I just don’t think there’s any way we’re in the East unless we go 0-2 in next 2. And even then, probably still the best 2 seed. Never know.
 
Graham Doeren Bracketology
@GrahamDoeren


3-loss UConn's five most valuable WAB wins: Florida (N), Illinois (N), at Kansas, at Villanova, BYU (N)
6-loss Florida's: at Vandy, at Texas A&M, at UGA, at Texas, at Oklahoma
Much stronger top wins and half as many losses for UConn.

This pretty much sums it up. Again, if you want to give Florida the 1 seed go ahead, they are a great team, but stop playing the games then.
The only path is Florida winning out and winning the SECT, which gives them another 3 Q1A wins and a Q1. Q1A at Kentucky (.72), Q1 n-Kentucky (.57), Q1A n-Tennessee (.73), (Q1A n-Alabama (.71) or Q1A n-Arkansas (.67)).
 
The only path is Florida winning out and winning the SECT, which gives them another 3 Q1A wins and a Q1. Q1A at Kentucky (.72), Q1 n-Kentucky (.57), Q1A n-Tennessee (.73), (Q1A n-Alabama (.71) or Q1A n-Arkansas (.67)).
@auror if Florida wins out, what would UConn's "magic number" be in your opinion to clinch the last 1 seed.
 
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@auror if Florida wins out, what would UConn's "magic number" be in your opinion to clinch the last 1 seed.
A loss to anyone not named Villanova or St John’s would probably mean a #2 seed. In the same region. As Florida.

This really is a discussions about who is the #4 vs the #5 out of 68.
 
@auror if Florida wins out, what would UConn's "magic number" be in your opinion to clinch the last 1 seed.
Florida is nicely set up, as they are a superior team in a conference full of second rate Q1 teams. I'd expect them to win out. They have the one remaining game against Miss St at home, then @ UK.

They'll then get 3 games against tourney teams in the SECT - the 8/9, a 4 and then winner of the other side. That's looking kinda like a Vandy, UK then Bama. Meanwhile, we may only have a Hall to StJ. It'll be razor thin if we don't win out.
 
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I still don't get why so many are putting so much importance in what seed we end up with and which region we end up in.

Whether we are a one or a two, regardless of region, if we don't make it to the regional finals, we would have gotten knocked off by a team that wasn't as good as us. That will be entirely our fault, whether we lost as a one or a two, anywhere in the country.

If for example we make it to the regional finals as the last one seed, facing the top two seed, or the top two seed facing the last one seed, the only difference would be color of the uniforms we wear. Does anyone believe that the outcome of the game would depend on whether we are wearing blue or white?

Whatever happens from here on out will be entirely on us.
 
Florida is nicely set up, as they are a superior team in a conference full of second rate Q1 teams. I'd expect them to win out. They have the one remaining game against Miss St at home, than @ UK.

They'll then get 3 games against tourney teams in the SECT - the 8/9, a 4 and then winner of the other side. That's looking kinda like a Vandy, UK then Bama. Meanwhile, we may only have a Hall to StJ. It'll be razor thin if we don't win out.
Per the graphic from the show, Florida has 1 more Quad 1 win than UConn, but took them 4 more games to do it.

Florida loses at Rupp, and 9 Q1s in 15 attempts versus 8 Q1s in 10 attempts means the committee doesn’t even need to worry about the tourney games with the head to head already there.
 
I still don't get why so many are putting so much importance in what seed we end up with and which region we end up in.

Whether we are a one or a two, regardless of region, if we don't make it to the regional finals, we would have gotten knocked off by a team that wasn't as good as us. That will be entirely our fault, whether we lost as a one or a two, anywhere in the country.

If for example we make it to the regional finals as the last one seed, facing the top two seed, or the top two seed facing the last one seed, the only difference would be color of the uniforms we wear. Does anyone believe that the outcome of the game would depend on whether we are wearing blue or white?

Whatever happens from here on out will be entirely on us.
One reason is that you can have a Iowa State, Houston, and/or Michigan State as a 3. Not an easy 16 game. I think the 4 seeds are noticeably weaker than the 3 seeds.
 
I still don't get why so many are putting so much importance in what seed we end up with and which region we end up in.

Whether we are a one or a two, regardless of region, if we don't make it to the regional finals, we would have gotten knocked off by a team that wasn't as good as us. That will be entirely our fault, whether we lost as a one or a two, anywhere in the country.

If for example we make it to the regional finals as the last one seed, facing the top two seed, or the top two seed facing the last one seed, the only difference would be color of the uniforms we wear. Does anyone believe that the outcome of the game would depend on whether we are wearing blue or white?

Whatever happens from here on out will be entirely on us.
Always nice to get a 1 for notoriety. Affords the presumed easiest path to the F4.

These tourneys are often about matchups. Also, I'd say we want to avoid UM, AZ and Duke as long as possible.
 
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Where I believe we stand as of 3/1. Again, I am basing this of where we were a little over a week ago from the committee.

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Arizona
4. UConn

5. Florida
6. Houston
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan St.

9. Iowa St.
10. Illinois
11. Purdue
12. Gonzaga

13. Texas Tech
14. Kansas


Couple of note:

A. Michigan and Arizona could swap, but they are set as the 2nd and 3rd 1 seed.

Gets tough to rank the teams after Florida as Houston, Iowa St, Illinois, and Kansas have lost twice since the reveal, with Purdue and Gonzaga also losing.

They will try and avoid putting Nebraska/Michigan St/Purdue with Michigan. Same with Houston/Iowa St/Kansas with Arizona.
 
Florida is nicely set up, as they are a superior team in a conference full of second rate Q1 teams. I'd expect them to win out. They have the one remaining game against Miss St at home, then @ UK.

They'll then get 3 games against tourney teams in the SECT - the 8/9, a 4 and then winner of the other side. That's looking kinda like a Vandy, UK then Bama. Meanwhile, we may only have a Hall to StJ. It'll be razor thin if we don't win out.
Big question is how the Committee handles the seeding. Last year, the 1 seeds sounded like they were locked in before the conference tournaments. If they do that, I think you see UConn as the likely 1 unless they are upset by Marquette. If they want to hold out the last 1 seed to see how the tournaments go that's their call, but based on last year they looked at the entire season, and although I think Florida is a great team, the did not have any big Non-Conference wins and get beat head up by UConn.
 
Where I believe we stand as of 3/1. Again, I am basing this of where we were a little over a week ago from the committee.

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Arizona
4. UConn

5. Florida
6. Houston
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan St.

9. Iowa St.
10. Illinois
11. Purdue
12. Gonzaga

13. Texas Tech
14. Kansas


Couple of note:

A. Michigan and Arizona could swap, but they are set as the 2nd and 3rd 1 seed.

Gets tough to rank the teams after Florida as Houston, Iowa St, Illinois, and Kansas have lost twice since the reveal, with Purdue and Gonzaga also losing.

They will try and avoid putting Nebraska/Michigan St/Purdue with Michigan. Same with Houston/Iowa St/Kansas with Arizona.
In that scenario, being a 1 is huge cause you really want to avoid having to play Iowa State, Illinois, and Purdue as 3 seeds. Having to win those games and then play the 1 is not easy.
 
Big question is how the Committee handles the seeding. Last year, the 1 seeds sounded like they were locked in before the conference tournaments. If they do that, I think you see UConn as the likely 1 unless they are upset by Marquette. If they want to hold out the last 1 seed to see how the tournaments go that's their call, but based on last year they looked at the entire season, and although I think Florida is a great team, the did not have any big Non-Conference wins and get beat head up by UConn.
The I would assume they do is this - they would have Florida/Uconn set for the same region, and have their hypothetical play out based on how each performs in their conference tourney. Uconn wins out, they are 1 in the south, Florida 2 in the south, Uconn trips up and they flip. That is my assumption.
 
Florida is nicely set up, as they are a superior team in a conference full of second rate Q1 teams. I'd expect them to win out. They have the one remaining game against Miss St at home, then @ UK.

They'll then get 3 games against tourney teams in the SECT - the 8/9, a 4 and then winner of the other side. That's looking kinda like a Vandy, UK then Bama. Meanwhile, we may only have a Hall to StJ. It'll be razor thin if we don't win out.
Didn't you think UConn was a safely a 1 seed as of last night? Not surprised you are flip flopping.

The people who are loving Florida as a 1 seed are in the "what have you done for me recently." The committee, at least according to the criteria, is not supposed to bring that into play.

UConn's WAB is 8.8 to Florida' 7.0.
Q1/Q2 record: UConn 17-2 v.s. Florida 16-6
UConn beat Florida on a neutral court.

IMO, UConn would have to lose to Marquette AND lose before the final for the BE tournament plus Florida would need to win out for them to pass us. 6 losses to 3 losses, and WE BEAT THEM ON A NEUTRAL COURT.
 
In that scenario, being a 1 is huge cause you really want to avoid having to play Iowa State, Illinois, and Purdue as 3 seeds. Having to win those games and then play the 1 is not easy.
The South according to this 1-14 would be Gonzaga.

The Huskies have historically liked seeing the bulldogs. Don’t know if they want to see some Red Raiders, hobbled or not.
 
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