Question for Frank the Tank

[frankthetank]

According to Frank this board actually serves no purpose.
UConn is stuck in their current conference forever.
We should shut this board down.
Any friends of ours from other schopls are welcome to post on anyone of the ample boards covering any topic.
Since we are delusionsl to even consider getting into a different conference we should change the heading to reflect that insanity
My suggestion is sane people like Frank should not be allowed as it is extremely disruptive to our fantasy.




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I think there's some hope for the Big 12. It's not necessarily a great chance, but that's the league that may have a couple of potential lifelines if/when they decide that staying at 10 is untenable. That's who UConn really needs to lobby. That also certainly doesn't prevent the ACC or Big Ten from going after UConn down the road - UConn just needs to get into the power structure and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[frankthetank]

"a pretty ridiculous amount of money"

i think were talking 50 mil a year type, are we on the same page with that #?

Yes, that number is possible when you consider how much Texas alone is worth (much less UNC).

 

[Dann]

Yes, that number is possible when you consider how much Texas alone is worth (much less UNC).

ok good. now drop unc and add uconn. is the # different? how much? 1 or 2 mil lower?

 

[frankthetank]

ok good. now drop unc and add uconn. is the # different? how much? 1 or 2 mil lower?

It's probably a materially larger ding than that. UNC is extremely valuable (which is why both the Big Ten and SEC want them badly despite the academic fraud). In that hypothetical 20-school Big Ten, the only schools that would clearly be worth more than UNC would be the massive titans of Texas, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. If the Big Ten were to lose, say, Wisconsin, that would be a big-time loss revenue-wise and I'd place UNC on a clear tier higher in terms of value than Wisconsin.

 

[Dann]

It's probably a materially larger ding than that. UNC is extremely valuable (which is why both the Big Ten and SEC want them badly despite the academic fraud). In that hypothetical 20-school Big Ten, the only schools that would clearly be worth more than UNC would be the massive titans of Texas, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. If the Big Ten were to lose, say, Wisconsin, that would be a big-time loss revenue-wise and I'd place UNC on a clear tier higher in terms of value than Wisconsin.

still worth it or no for the b10 and teams involved?

 

[frankthetank]

still worth it or no for the b10 and teams involved?

I'd say virtually any scenario that involves the Big Ten adding Texas or Notre Dame would be worth it financially for the Big Ten. They would barely care who is added on with them as long as they pass some type of academic threshold (Texas Tech is a no-no). Of course, if you can pull either Texas or Notre Dame, that means you can probably pull anyone that you want with them, anyway.

 

[District-Husky]

I just read Frankthetank's Q&A and his blog. I am going to shoot myself now.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Rugby became football in about 1877
with the adoption of four town first first
and the movable line of scimmage.
also
The gridiron the 6 Point touchdown and 1 point kick.
It became a distinctly American sport.
The forward pass was an idea that came up by the president's panel to curb violence. in football. Well established and easily recognizable.
Do a search on Walter Camp.
He also coined the phrase All American
He is called the father of American Football
he was also a Connecticut Native
The first suggestion was to widen the field.
Harvard rejected that idea as they had just built a new stadium.
Blame. the Crimson for the forward pass.


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[B1GALUM]

It's a good read. It's clearly a Midwest/plains expansion point of view, while Delaney and others have voiced a Eastern expansion point of view. One of each should do the trick. UConn and Kansas.

I just read Frankthetank's Q&A and his blog. I am going to shoot myself now.

I understand that if Texas wishes to join the B1G it will happen and perhaps Oklahoma and/or Kansas and/or Missouri ride the coattails. However ....

A quote from Frank's blog ...

The overall message from the Big Ten today is that it’s going full steam ahead in heading to the East Coast. I’ve long been confident that the strategy will work around leveraging Maryland to get into the Washington, DC and Baltimore markets (which will only be further aided by adding Johns Hopkins as an affiliate member), yet the New York City portion of this cycle of expansion and bowl contracts will determine whether Big Ten is going to end up being the second most powerful sports entity in America after the NFL in 10 years or we’ll be sitting around wondering why the conference had chased after cable network fool’s gold. There’s a better chance for the former to occur than what a lot of conference realignment skeptics believe, but the latter could certainly still happen.

A quote from Frank's Q & A ...

A larger issue might be whether Oklahoma coming *alone* without Oklahoma State is truly possible since the Big Ten wouldn't be willing to add OSU in a package deal (similar to how the conference would only want Kansas without Kansas State). I've spoken with a lot of OU and KU fans that believe that they could drop their respective in-state brothers if necessary, but I'm not quite sure of that whenever state politicians and high profile boosters like T. Boone Pickens inevitably get involved when there's a viable threat to their special interests out there.

Delany has made it clear that the B1G desires to be a bi-regional conference with eastward expansion and penetration into the NYC market a goal.
How does moving further into the Midwest accomplish this goal?
Those in charge of OU/OSU and KU/KSU respectively have made it clear that separation of each school from its in-state partner is not a desirable option.
I find it hard to believe that OU and KU to the B1G will happen unless OSU and KSU are taken care of which means basically going to the SEC or PAC 12.
How likely are either of these conferences to want these schools without OU and KU? Perhaps I am wrong but not likely in my opinion.
Again, I understand that if Texas wishes to join the B1G that is a game changer; however, short of that I am still trying to see how OU and KU to the B1G will happen.

 

[woomba]

The thinking is that no further expansion is required to penetrate into NYC (except ND) - Delany believes he has accomplished his goal with the add of Rutgers & Maryland...and existing Big Ten members that send a ton of alums to NYC like Penn State and Michigan.

If you look at the other schools that are expansion targets only a small percentage head out to NYC - most of them stay in their own regions or gather in other metro areas like the RTP, Atlanta, Houston, etc.

Any future expansion will be focused on gaining more markets - not increasing penetration to NYC.

Uconn's best hope is that Delany is wrong on this and would double down on more schools to try to lock up NYC but given the strong arm tactics available with YES+BTN I'm not sure they're going to have that much trouble.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

UConn to the Big 12 would be a disaster for UConn.

In fact its crazy If WV is an island we are a seperate continent.
Unless there was an East Div that included Cinn, Pitt Louisville Syracuse Conn and WV.
But that ship has long ago sailed. Sorry HFD
The AAC is one eastern basketball school away from being an excellent BB conference. That's really were hope lies.
The current AAC commissioner is football centric
which is a laughable position given the teams. His goal seams to undermine the incredible UConn history.
I would like someone to explain how UConn can establish itself in football in this conference. It demonstrates a profound ignorance of the State. and the media.
The best hope for UConn is to Re -assert its dominence in men's
basketball. I know it goes against the rules but rules are meant to be broken
I understand the football paridym but these things shift all the time.
If we went! 11-0 in football it would only br a footnote probably a secondary bowl.
A national Championship in Basketball would change the game.
Which of the two is more likely.


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[noeynox]

We've won three national titles in men hoops in the last 14 years. What games did those change exactly?

 

[B1GALUM]

The thinking is that no further expansion is required to penetrate into NYC (except ND) - Delany believes he has accomplished his goal with the add of Rutgers & Maryland...and existing Big Ten members that send a ton of alums to NYC like Penn State and Michigan ... Uconn's best hope is that Delany is wrong on this and would double down on more schools to try to lock up NYC but given the strong arm tactics available with YES+BTN I'm not sure they're going to have that much trouble.

I certainly appreciate your perspective on this particular issue and quite honestly need to rely on my UConn hosts regarding whether Rutgers and B1G alumni are sufficient to lock up NYC. Based on prior posts on the board, it is my impression the answer is no.

If you look at the other schools that are expansion targets only a small percentage head out to NYC - most of them stay in their own regions or gather in other metro areas like the RTP, Atlanta, Houston, etc. ... Any future expansion will be focused on gaining more markets - not increasing penetration to NYC.

Regarding this issue do you still think VA, NC, perhaps markets further south are still the long term plays?

 

[AZHuskiePop]

We've won three national titles in men hoops in the last 14 years. What games did those change exactly?

Conventional wisdom is They were mote Calhoun NC than UConn NC
Many programs have died during the succession process.
NC with multiple Coach change the picture.

This is based on misinformation that BB didn't exist at UConn before JC.

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[woomba]

Rutgers + Big Ten alumni may not be able to lock up to NYC - but I think the bet here is that bundling BTN + YES will push it over the edge. Unless the Big Ten can get ND I don't think there's any other school that moves the needle all that much when it comes to NYC . UConn may help a bit but I don't think it's guaranteed to push it over the edge if the Big Ten is unsuccessful in getting on basic cable. Since UConn isn't in danger of being snatched up anytime soon barring a sudden destabilization of the ACC, I think the Big Ten will cross that bridge when it gets to it.

For future expansion, I personally don't think the Big Ten has made up its mind yet which direction it wants to expand in. In terms of academics and future economic growth UVA makes a lot of sense but that's another state with a lot of potential but mediocre sports. NC I feel will always be too South for the Big Ten unless we're talking about 40-50 years down the road.

The Big 12 schools have better football and a better cultural fit to the Big Ten but aside from Texas they all have marginal academics (even Kansas is a pretty marginal AAU) and pretty small markets.

Personally I want the Big Ten to lock up Virginia by taking both UVA and Va Tech and calling it a day but given the BTN model I'm not sure how likely that is (or if both schools would even want to join)

 

[upstater]

The thinking is that no further expansion is required to penetrate into NYC (except ND) - Delany believes he has accomplished his goal with the add of Rutgers & Maryland...and existing Big Ten members that send a ton of alums to NYC like Penn State and Michigan.

If you look at the other schools that are expansion targets only a small percentage head out to NYC - most of them stay in their own regions or gather in other metro areas like the RTP, Atlanta, Houston, etc.

Any future expansion will be focused on gaining more markets - not increasing penetration to NYC.

Uconn's best hope is that Delany is wrong on this and would double down on more schools to try to lock up NYC but given the strong arm tactics available with YES+BTN I'm not sure they're going to have that much trouble.

UConn brings 1 million TV sets with it, 1 million sets which consider it the top sports property. Look at UConn's licensing/tier 3 rights. They are very high.

 

[upstater]

Rutgers + Big Ten alumni may not be able to lock up to NYC - but I think the bet here is that bundling BTN + YES will push it over the edge. Unless the Big Ten can get ND I don't think there's any other school that moves the needle all that much when it comes to NYC . UConn may help a bit but I don't think it's guaranteed to push it over the edge if the Big Ten is unsuccessful in getting on basic cable. Since UConn isn't in danger of being snatched up anytime soon barring a sudden destabilization of the ACC, I think the Big Ten will cross that bridge when it gets to it.

For future expansion, I personally don't think the Big Ten has made up its mind yet which direction it wants to expand in. In terms of academics and future economic growth UVA makes a lot of sense but that's another state with a lot of potential but mediocre sports. NC I feel will always be too South for the Big Ten unless we're talking about 40-50 years down the road.

The Big 12 schools have better football and a better cultural fit to the Big Ten but aside from Texas they all have marginal academics (even Kansas is a pretty marginal AAU) and pretty small markets.

Personally I want the Big Ten to lock up Virginia by taking both UVA and Va Tech and calling it a day but given the BTN model I'm not sure how likely that is (or if both schools would even want to join)

Per subscriber, SNY charges 2.5x as much in Conn. as BTN charges in the state of Michigan.

Why?

Because of UConn sports.

 

[itgoeslike]

The thinking is that no further expansion is required to penetrate into NYC (except ND) - Delany believes he has accomplished his goal with the add of Rutgers & Maryland...and existing Big Ten members that send a ton of alums to NYC like Penn State and Michigan.

If you look at the other schools that are expansion targets only a small percentage head out to NYC - most of them stay in their own regions or gather in other metro areas like the RTP, Atlanta, Houston, etc.

Any future expansion will be focused on gaining more markets - not increasing penetration to NYC.

Uconn's best hope is that Delany is wrong on this and would double down on more schools to try to lock up NYC but given the strong arm tactics available with YES+BTN I'm not sure they're going to have that much trouble.

According to LinkedIn, the #1 place UCONN grads call home outside of Connecticut is New York City.

 

[B1GALUM]

Rutgers + Big Ten alumni may not be able to lock up to NYC - but I think the bet here is that bundling BTN + YES will push it over the edge. Unless the Big Ten can get ND I don't think there's any other school that moves the needle all that much when it comes to NYC . UConn may help a bit but I don't think it's guaranteed to push it over the edge if the Big Ten is unsuccessful in getting on basic cable. Since UConn isn't in danger of being snatched up anytime soon barring a sudden destabilization of the ACC, I think the Big Ten will cross that bridge when it gets to it.

For future expansion, I personally don't think the Big Ten has made up its mind yet which direction it wants to expand in. In terms of academics and future economic growth UVA makes a lot of sense but that's another state with a lot of potential but mediocre sports. NC I feel will always be too South for the Big Ten unless we're talking about 40-50 years down the road.

The Big 12 schools have better football and a better cultural fit to the Big Ten but aside from Texas they all have marginal academics (even Kansas is a pretty marginal AAU) and pretty small markets.

Personally I want the Big Ten to lock up Virginia by taking both UVA and Va Tech and calling it a day but given the BTN model I'm not sure how likely that is (or if both schools would even want to join)

I am with you on UVA but like the UVA/UConn combination myself. I think the loss of rivalries has been one of the most tragic aspects of CR. I like the idea of a Maryland/UVA rivalry and Rutgers/UConn rivalry in the B1G.

 

[woomba]

So UConn drives all the value of SNY in Connecticut? The NY Mets and the NY Jets have nothing to do with it? That seems a bit disingenuous to me.

I think from a Big Ten perspective they're not counting on needing UConn to get NYC, so unless that plan backfires you're look at UConn delivering just Connecticut. If it's just Connecticut I can see the Big Ten potentially adding UConn as a #16 or #18 if their top choices don't pan out.

That said, I think any further expansion by the Big Ten / SEC guarantees a spot for UConn in the ACC so I don't think it's the end of the world for UConn even if the Big Ten passes.

 

[B1GALUM]

For future expansion, I personally don't think the Big Ten has made up its mind yet which direction it wants to expand in.

I wander too about timing ...

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany received a contract extension in 2011 that was never announced publicly, the league confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.
The league's Council of Presidents and Chancellors in 2011 approved a contract extension for Delany through June 30, 2018.
Delany, 65, has led the Big Ten since 1989 and recently became the league's longest-serving commissioner, surpassing Major John L. Griffith, who held the position from 1922 until his death in 1944.
Delany's contract extension ensures he'll guide the Big Ten through its next television rights negotiation. The Big Ten's current agreement expires after the 2016-17 athletic year.

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/conversations/_/id/9364432/big-ten-commissioner-jim-delany-deal-2018

Does Delany think B1G expansion to 14 is placing the conference in the best possible position for the next television rights negotiation or would he try one more time to expand prior to this event to further enhance his position?

Will Delany retire in 2018 and if that is the case will he look back and be satisfied with B1G expansion to 14 or would he try one more time to expand prior to this event to further enhance his legacy?

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

While the Mets do bring some demand in CT, SNY wasn't on CT basic cable packages before their deal with UConn. The Mets' fanbase is largely not located in CT, they mainly go onto Long Island, Queens/Brooklyn obviously, and into parts of NJ. Elsewhere, it's mostly a smattering here and there, with CT being quite sparse. There's also very little meaningful Jets progamming on SNY, certainly no games, and there are even fewer Jets fans in CT than Mets fans. The majority of the per-subscriber fee in CT for SNY comes from UConn.

 

[GopherHawk]

I wander too about timing ...

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany received a contract extension in 2011 that was never announced publicly, the league confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.
The league's Council of Presidents and Chancellors in 2011 approved a contract extension for Delany through June 30, 2018.
Delany, 65, has led the Big Ten since 1989 and recently became the league's longest-serving commissioner, surpassing Major John L. Griffith, who held the position from 1922 until his death in 1944.
Delany's contract extension ensures he'll guide the Big Ten through its next television rights negotiation. The Big Ten's current agreement expires after the 2016-17 athletic year.

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/conversations/_/id/9364432/big-ten-commissioner-jim-delany-deal-2018

Does Delany think B1G expansion to 14 is placing the conference in the best possible position for the next television rights negotiation or would he try one more time to expand prior to this event to further enhance his position?

Will Delany retire in 2018 and if that is the case will he look back and be satisfied with B1G expansion to 14 or would he try one more time to expand prior to this event to further enhance his legacy?

I think either Delany does it or its a long time before it happens. It's his ego. He wants it to be his legacy.

 

[woomba]

I dunno - if the ACC GoR collapses like some rumormongers are suggesting I guess anything is possible but I think the extension is just so that he can preside over the media contract negotiations based on the current makeup.

 

[The Viking]

So UConn drives all the value of SNY in Connecticut? The NY Mets and the NY Jets have nothing to do with it? That seems a bit disingenuous to me.

Anytime I run into a Mets or Jets fan in CT I'm in shock. You could liteerally fill up a pickup truck with the amount of Jets/Mets fans in this state.