Providence offer

[FfldCntyFan]

PC is the closest D1 team that is consistently in the RPI top 100. Comparing them to Hartford, CCSU or Fairfield is not remotely accurate or fair. They are solidly the second best program in New England, with UMass perhaps not too far behind.

This isn't far from saying (in terms of accomplishment gap) that the Whale is the second best professional hockey team in New England.

 

[seanmc94]

Unfortunately there are cupcakes in every conference and home and homes are pat of normal conference play. So instead of Seton Hall, DePaul and PC we will have Tulane, SMU and ECU. Not much difference in my eyes.

Which one of those teams do you expect to beat you half the time?
Which one of those teams do you think will occupy multiple Boneyard threads(started by your fans) during the freaking off season?
You guys are designing a new Husky, right?
May I suggest a uniform change as well.
Put a big fat yellow streak right down the back of the jersey.
Fitting.

 

[tzznandrew]

If we were in the ACC, this isn't a problem. But, as upstater noted, we're likely going to have two non-conference games on CBS. Since CBS only owns the rights to UConn home games, and is going to want to have us play games of national interest, that means we're likely going to need 4 home-and-homes (2 home one year for CBS, the other 2 home the next). While I would like to watch UConn-PC, I don't think that's big enough for one of those 4 home-and-homes (not a national game).

You get 27 games (?), tournaments counting as 1. We have 18 league games (stupid). We play a tournament, 4 home and homes, and a one-off game against a team like Maryland (or MSU, or Gonzaga, etc.). That's 24 games. You do need money from the gates. Everyone does.

So that's 3-6 games (depending on whether I was wrong and it was 29/30 games) for teams like Stony Brook. You need to fill a full slate to sell season tickets, and 9 league games, 2 hopefully very good OOC, is not enough.

It's math, not cowardice. And this is coming from someone who really wants to find a way to schedule PC.

 

[Huskybass]

Which team hasn't made the NCAA tournament since 2004?
Which team got beat by UConn twice this season?
Which team has a 13-23 conference record under its present head coach?
Which team is so pathetic that its fans post on the real teams message board on a daily basis?
May I suggest a nice rainbow sticker for the back of your car?

 

[Huskybass]

twice in overtime to a team that was picked last in the league that many of you claim to forget is in the league.

Moral victory U? A loss is still a loss.

You don't hear UConn fans saying "but we took Georgetown and Marquette to overtime". I guess when you haven't been to the NCAA tourney in a decade, moral victories count.

 

[upstater]

yet kentucky has no problem with a neutral court and home. but for you... the finance doesn't work out. right.

You don't have a home and home against Kentucky. That's a one off for ESPN! Just like UConn has with Maryland. Do you really not understand the difference here? Are you being dense on purpose?

 

[peeps]

You don't have a home and home against Kentucky. That's a one off for ESPN! Just like UConn has with Maryland. Do you really not understand the difference here? Are you being dense on purpose?

sherlock... i said in the post it is a neutral and home for kentucky. you said even that is beneath you based on all the money quinnipiac brings in every year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

If we were in the ACC, this isn't a problem. But, as upstater noted, we're likely going to have two non-conference games on CBS. Since CBS only owns the rights to UConn home games, and is going to want to have us play games of national interest, that means we're likely going to need 4 home-and-homes (2 home one year for CBS, the other 2 home the next). While I would like to watch UConn-PC, I don't think that's big enough for one of those 4 home-and-homes (not a national game).

You get 27 games (?), tournaments counting as 1. We have 18 league games (stupid). We play a tournament, 4 home and homes, and a one-off game against a team like Maryland (or MSU, or Gonzaga, etc.). That's 24 games. You do need money from the gates. Everyone does.

So that's 3-6 games (depending on whether I was wrong and it was 29/30 games) for teams like Stony Brook. You need to fill a full slate to sell season tickets, and 9 league games, 2 hopefully very good OOC, is not enough.

It's math, not cowardice. And this is coming from someone who really wants to find a way to schedule PC.

Think the math would work if it was Gampel, Dunk, Boston Garden? I'd like to find a way to keep it as an annual game. Aside from the fact that the Dunk is by far the closest arena to my house, I think we need to preserve as many local, traditional rivalries as possible. By rival, I am meaning a team you have played every year for a long period. By the way, I do think Villanova or Georgetown would easily qualify as a national game for CBS. PC could if they were having a good season, same with St. Johns, but you won't know ahead of time.

 

[Waquoit]

If your school and fans could ever get the massive chip off your shoulder,

Now that is high comedy. PC fans have the massive chip, even after 20 years of basketball. I don't know how you do it. Probably comes from low expectations. PC's goal is to hold their own, and some years they actually do it.

 

[HuskyHawk]

sherlock... i said in the post it is a neutral and home for kentucky. you said even that is beneath you based on all the money quinnipiac brings in every year.

Quninnipiac brings in essentially the same money as PC would. The tickets are mostly sold as season tickets. Only a few are left for single game. So are you saying that PC would accept Gampel and then a split gate at the Boston Garden?

 

[uconnfan68]

If you argue against with crazy person (or one who speaks crazy) what does that make you? The guy is fishing with no bait, I'm sure you know when not to get hooked. Try and look, laugh and not bite. Hopefully he will go cast in another lake when the fish are not biting.

Spoilsport. Sometimes the cesspool just isn't enough.

 

[upstater]

sherlock... i said in the post it is a neutral and home for kentucky. you said even that is beneath you based on all the money quinnipiac brings in every year.

Really, you are playing Kentucky and not getting a home game? Shame on you! That's positively low-major-ish. Yea, Id be all for that. I doubt your guys are offering that. UConn would definitely play a home game and split the gate in Boston. PC would NEVER go for that. If they did, well... then yes.

 

[upstater]

Quninnipiac brings in essentially the same money as PC would. The tickets are mostly sold as season tickets. Only a few are left for single game. So are you saying that PC would accept Gampel and then a split gate at the Boston Garden?

That's exactly what I'm wondering. That would be a good deal for UConn. I never even imagined that's what he was referring to. I esteem PC much more highly than that. It didn't even enter into my mind.

 

[TRest]

UMass agreed to a 2 for 1 for ten years after all that begging, and then lost 9 of them. It demanded home and homes after that and we said goodbye. PC wants home and homes because we used to be in the same conference, so somehow we are equals.

 

[FriarJ]

Really, you are playing Kentucky and not getting a home game? Shame on you! That's positively low-major-ish. Yea, Id be all for that. I doubt your guys are offering that. UConn would definitely play a home game and split the gate in Boston. PC would NEVER go for that. If they did, well... then yes.

So it was all about that it couldn't work until you came up with this? You are a piece of work.

And all this after you spent 10 pages on this thread explaining in exhausting detail why UConn can't schedule PC, but it really comes down to not wanting t play PC at the Dunk. No surprise there.

 

[tzznandrew]

Think the math would work if it was Gampel, Dunk, Boston Garden? I'd like to find a way to keep it as an annual game. Aside from the fact that the Dunk is by far the closest arena to my house, I think we need to preserve as many local, traditional rivalries as possible. By rival, I am meaning a team you have played every year for a long period. By the way, I do think Villanova or Georgetown would easily qualify as a national game for CBS. PC could if they were having a good season, same with St. Johns, but you won't know ahead of time.

I think Georgetown or Villanova would be national games as well.

If PC starts having consistent success, it may also qualify for this. Hell, Memphis-Tennessee is on CBS, so there is some interest in regional games. PC just needs some sustained success.

 

[upstater]

So it was all about that it couldn't work until you came up with this? You are a piece of work.

And all this after you spent 10 pages on this thread explaining in exhausting detail why UConn can't schedule PC, but it really comes down to not wanting t play PC at the Dunk. No surprise there.

Can you admit you're just a troll? Did you not write earlier, "I fully understand the dilemma now." Of course UConn doesn't want to lose revenue by playing at the Dunk! That's the whole point. Which you professed to understand. But in the interests of troll-dom, you must continue now to be yourself--you simply can't help it!!!!

 

[FriarJ]

Can you admit you're just a troll? Did you not write earlier, "I fully understand the dilemma now." Of course UConn doesn't want to lose revenue by playing at the Dunk! That's the whole point. Which you professed to understand. But in the interests of troll-dom, you must continue now to be yourself--you simply can't help it!!!!

I do understand what you were saying in regards to scheduling as it relates to requirements from CBS. Never once did you say anything about losing revenue in an away game. I may have missed it though.

 

[tzznandrew]

I do understand what you were saying in regards to scheduling as it relates to requirements from CBS. Never once did you say anything about losing revenue in an away game. I may have missed it though.

If he didn't, a number of others did. That's what gate means, and that's why everyone needs a certain number of home games. Unfortunately, home and homes necessarily shrink the number of home games, and so you have to play mid-to-low majors and hope they don't torpedo your RPI.

 

[upstater]

I do understand what you were saying in regards to scheduling as it relates to requirements from CBS. Never once did you say anything about losing revenue in an away game. I may have missed it though.

That's the whole point!!! How can you miss that? Go back to those posts where I write UConn needs to keep scheduling 3 or 4 cupcakes. Why in the world do you think UConn needs to keep scheduling cupcakes? It's implied!!! So they can get home games without giving them! My lord.

 

[FriarJ]

ok, fair enough. The fact is PC doesn't rate in UConn's world for a home and home, it is what it is I guess, but it is a shame for the fans and the alumni who know each other. I fear if the schools let it slip, it will die just like UConn vs. UMass, BC, URI, etc... I find it hard to believe the UConn fan base is OK with this despite the incredible success of the program.

 

[Caronimo]

ok, fair enough. The fact is PC doesn't rate in UConn's world for a home and home, it is what it is I guess, but it is a shame for the fans and the alumni who know each other. I fear if the schools let it slip, it will die just like UConn vs. UMass, BC, URI, etc... I find it hard to believe the UConn fan base is OK with this despite the incredible success of the program.

Lets be honest, we are upset about losing the Cuse and Pitt rivalries... Not PC. Take care and good luck.

 

[Husky25]

ok, fair enough. The fact is PC doesn't rate in UConn's world for a home and home, it is what it is I guess, but it is a shame for the fans and the alumni who know each other. I fear if the schools let it slip, it will die just like UConn vs. UMass, BC, URI, etc... I find it hard to believe the UConn fan base is OK with this despite the incredible success of the program.

Commissioner Oresco has stated that the split was amicible and OOC games will probably be played between teams in the conferences. UMass and BC were not party to amicible splits.

I think what some fans have a problem with is by making this offer, Cooley (and a few fans) is posturing the C7 as the superior end of the Old Big East and he's counting Providence among that superiority.

In reality:
1) The majority of the superior faction of the old Big East is going to the ACC.
2) Any measure of superiority going to the New Big East begins and ends with Gtown, and potentially Marquette.

Providence is like the little kick dog that hops back and forth over the Bulldog in the old Bugs Bunny cartoons. (**in a hi-pitched, Speed induced voice**) "We're best friends, right Spike? Aren't we Spike? We'll go everywhere together, Spike, 'cause we're the bestest of friends!!!!"

 

[FriarJ]

Commissioner Oresco has stated that the split was amicible and OOC games will probably be played between teams in the conferences. UMass and BC were not party to amicible splits.

I think what some fans have a problem with is by making this offer, Cooley (and a few fans) is posturing the C7 as the superior end of the Old Big East and he's counting Providence among that superiority.

In reality:
1) The majority of the superior faction of the old Big East is going to the ACC.
2) Any measure of superiority going to the New Big East begins and ends with Gtown, and potentially Marquette.

Providence is like the little kick dog that hops back and forth over the Bulldog in the old Bugs Bunny cartoons. (**in a hi-pitched, Speed induced voice**) "We're best friends, right Spike? Aren't we Spike? We'll go everywhere together, Spike, 'cause we're the bestest of friends!!!!"

You are reading way too much into this. PC enjoys what they consider a rivalry with UConn, the fans want it and it sells out the Dunk, which is very important. This is about tickets, if UConn is not willing to reciprocate with a return game it's not going to happen. It really is that simple, all this other superiority crap being sputtered on here does not matter.

 

[Fishy]

I suspect that UConn and PC will play a reciprocal series - perhaps not immediately due to the logistics of conference change, etc., but certainly sooner rather than later.

There's no reason not to.

 

[upstater]

ok, fair enough. The fact is PC doesn't rate in UConn's world for a home and home, it is what it is I guess, but it is a shame for the fans and the alumni who know each other. I fear if the schools let it slip, it will die just like UConn vs. UMass, BC, URI, etc... I find it hard to believe the UConn fan base is OK with this despite the incredible success of the program.

UConn's fanbase wants what is best for the school. Either the conference commissioner or the AD decided that exposure is best for the school. Maybe both. I can't say I disagree with them, but that's the road they've taken.

 

[Yonick]

Isn't it about time for this thread to be locked. UConn will announce it's schedule sometime in August. If UConn feels it's in it's their best interests to play Providence they will.
Every Big time school schedules 7-8 cupcakes in Nov/Dec. The big schools either go to an island tourney, or coaches vs cancer route, plus 2-3 more OOC games made for TV.
UConn definately will schedule 7-8 cupcakes. Hopefully they won't be at the XL center. With UMD, Texas, BC, Indiana, & Washington for our presently scheduled TV OOC games and, say, 16 conference games this season it leaves 1 or 2 games remaining. I'm sure, at some point, PC will be included. But, when, and how often will be decided for reasons as to what benefits are there to UConn, by playing PC???
I know, for sure, that St. John's is the biggest benefit for UConn to play. Followed by Villanova & Georgetown. As far as Syracuse & Pitt, they both are more beneficial to UConn because of their national TV value. When any of the above can't be scheduled then PC gets the call.
Let's face it, to date PC is not a TV darling. When was the last time they were on CBS? How often are they on ESPN? (amongst the fewest of the former BE schools) UConn will do what's best for UConn. If PC folk want to say we are chickening out, than let them. Childish behavior might work for them. Responsible business decesions will hopefully work for UConn.
Let's lock this thread and wish our neighbors, to the east, a happy summer.

 

[upstater]

UConn definately will schedule 7-8 cupcakes. Hopefully they won't be at the XL center. With UMD, Texas, BC, Indiana, & Washington for our presently scheduled TV OOC games and, say, 16 conference games this season it leaves 1 or 2 games remaining. I'm sure, at some point, PC will be included. But, when, and how often will be decided for reasons as to what benefits are there to UConn, by playing PC???

UConn though is going to need 2 home games if it wants to be on CBS twice. UMd, BC, Indiana are scheduled for ESPN. Washington is away. Is Texas home? If so, that's the only game that would fit on CBS network. So, besides playing UMd, BC, Indiana, Texas and Washington, UConn is going to need to schedule two more games against top OOC competition.

 

[Husky25]

You are reading way too much into this. PC enjoys what they consider a rivalry with UConn, the fans want it and it sells out the Dunk, which is very important. This is about tickets, if UConn is not willing to reciprocate with a return game it's not going to happen. It really is that simple, all this other superiority crap being sputtered on here does not matter.

Yeah, because Boneyarders are the decision makers when it comes to Husky Hoops.

People go to see the UConn/Providence games here because its on the schedule. It really does not produce noticable additional revenue. It's a rivalry because of proximity (as the crow flies. Route 6 is a bear and should be avoided if possible.) and very little else. It came to a head with the "I ducked up. How many times do I have to say it?" press conference, but it does not include many other characteristics of a traditional rivalry. Yes, Providence has upset UConn in the recent pastregular seasons, but the two teams rarely meet in the post season and those upsets typically have little bearing on the ultimate result of UConn's season.

Providence needs to earn a little number before it's name on the score ticker more consistently before Husky fans consider UConn/Prov. a rivalry. As you say, it really is that simple....

 

[FriarJ]

Yeah, because Boneyarders are the decision makers when it comes to Husky Hoops.

People go to see the UConn/Providence games here because its on the schedule. It really does not produce noticable additional revenue. It's a rivalry because of proximity (as the crow flies. Route 6 is a bear and should be avoided if possible.) and very little else. It came to a head with the "I ducked up. How many times do I have to say it?" press conference, but it does not include many other characteristics of a traditional rivalry. Yes, Providence has upset UConn in the recent pastregular seasons, but the two teams rarely meet in the post season and those upsets typically have little bearing on the ultimate result of UConn's season.

Providence needs to earn a little number before it's name on the score ticker more consistently before Husky fans consider UConn/Prov. a rivalry. As you say, it really is that simple....

I agree with you in regards to the little number. By saying "UConn" I was talking about the school, not the boneyard.