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HuskyHawk said:
Ok, we have firmly established that PC isn't at UConn's level. So now what? We can only schedule Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Duke, UCLA, Indiana, Arizona, Michigan State, Florida, maybe Syracuse and Louisville if we're feeling kind. Perhaps Michigan makes the grade if they get to the final this year? Who gives a crap people? If we only had home and homes with schools "on our level" we wouldn't have any freaking games. PC is the closest D1 team that is consistently in the RPI top 100. Comparing them to Hartford, CCSU or Fairfield is not remotely accurate or fair. They are solidly the second best program in New England, with UMass perhaps not too far behind.

Scheduling priority in the A-Metro whatever league looks like this. 1. Any BCS top 5 conference foe that will play us home and home in football if we do they same in hoops 2. Big time, big name games likely to be carried by CBS or other national broadcaster in prime time (preferably also in category #1). 3. Regional rivals that count as top 100 or top 50 RPI wins. 4. Filler.

Unfortunately, we went from a league with one or two sub 100 RPI teams, to one with half the teams in that category. Half the league is filler. The days of being able to play filler teams just at home in the non-conference is over. Maybe one a year, or two at the most if one is somebody like Harvard that might be decent. That doesn't mean we load up with Top 20 teams either, it means we need schools 50-100 in the RPI. Local is better to cut our soon to be obscene travel costs. PC is a perfect fit. St. Johns and Villanova are as well.
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Do the math. You're assuming a large number of regular season games with your #s 1-4. Just do the math. You can't get picked up 4 times on ESPN and CBS with home games AND play holiday tourneys AND a conference schedule, and then turn around and fulfill the requirements of #3 and #4. There are not enough games. The only way to do #3 is to get rid of most of #4. And that right there is the problem.

Not to mention that this conference is going to be a bit more competitive than people are assuming. Remember, UCF has beaten UConn within the last couple of years. I expect at least one loss to such teams. CUSA wasn't all that bad. That So. Mississippi team I watched had some talent. Then you couple that with road games at Temple, Cincy and Memphis, and UCon could easily be looking at a 11-13 win season in conference. 4 games against top level competition, 2 or 3 more holiday tourney games, half of which could result in losses, and you've got your work cut out for you.
 
upstater said:
Do the math. You're assuming a large number of regular season games with your #s 1-4. Just do the math. You can't get picked up 4 times on ESPN and CBS with home games AND play holiday tourneys AND a conference schedule, and then turn around and fulfill the requirements of #3 and #4. There are not enough games. The only way to do #3 is to get rid of most of #4. And that right there is the problem.

Not to mention that this conference is going to be a bit more competitive than people are assuming. Remember, UCF has beaten UConn within the last couple of years. I expect at least one loss to such teams. CUSA wasn't all that bad. That So. Mississippi team I watched had some talent. Then you couple that with road games at Temple, Cincy and Memphis, and UCon could easily be looking at a 11-13 win season in conference. 4 games against top level competition, 2 or 3 more holiday tourney games, half of which could result in losses, and you've got your work cut out for you.
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I did the math. We need to reduce #4. This conference will be dreadful. Our RPI SOS will be lousy. We must schedule up the OOC schedule compared to our recent history. It is essential. You're worried about a road game vs. Temple? Please, none of those three teams is at all scary. #4 is replaced by the soft league schedule. We really shouldn't lose more than 2-3 games in this league.

Look at this year's OOC schedule.
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/conn-m-baskbl-sched.html
AIU, Lowell, MSU, Vermont, WF, Quin, Stony Brook, NH, NC State, Harvard, MD Eastern Shore, Fordham, Washington.

All I'm proposing is swapping out AIU, Lowell, MD Eastern Shore and maybe one other with games against PC, UMass, St. Johns and Villanova. Our schedule will need it. Hell, just to keep the fans interested.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I did the math. We need to reduce #4. This conference will be dreadful. Our RPI SOS will be lousy. We must schedule up the OOC schedule compared to our recent history. It is essential. You're worried about a road game vs. Temple? Please, none of those three teams is at all scary. #4 is replaced by the soft league schedule. We really shouldn't lose more than 2-3 games in this league.

Look at this year's OOC schedule.
http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/conn-m-baskbl-sched.html
AIU, Lowell, MSU, Vermont, WF, Quin, Stony Brook, NH, NC State, Harvard, MD Eastern Shore, Fordham, Washington.

All I'm proposing is swapping out AIU, Lowell, MD Eastern Shore and maybe one other with games against PC, UMass, St. Johns and Villanova. Our schedule will need it. Hell, just to keep the fans interested.
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If you did the math, then you sank UConn's budget. Because when I do the math I get 18 conference + 4 home & homes + 4 holiday games leaves me at 26 games. You've gone from 9 or 10 cupcakes to 4. That's a loss of gate for 5 or 6 games.

Temple isn't scary? UConn lost to South Florida and St. John's and Villanova and Cincy. None of those teams were as good as Temple, and yet UConn lost to them. That's the point. UConn will lose games like that. Always have.

The way for UConn to ramp up its schedule is to move from 1 or 2 home and homes against national competition to at least 4 home and homes. That's the difference. If they can't get national games like that, then you play PC, but if UConn isn't getting enough national games, you'll have to explain to me who CBS and ESPN are going to show on their stations.
 
We really should have fought for an 16 game schedule, maybe even a 14 game one.

This year, if we get Memphis, Temple, Cincy, and Louisville twice, our SOS will be fine. After that, though, we need enough room to get some gate sales as well as a number of quality opponents.
 
Husky68 said:
Would you play both home/away - that seems to be some of the issue?
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Maybe they could rotate, one year in Storrs, one in Providence, then one in Brooklyn or at the Prudential Center?
 
tzznandrew said:
We really should have fought for an 16 game schedule, maybe even a 14 game one.

This year, if we get Memphis, Temple, Cincy, and Louisville twice, our SOS will be fine. After that, though, we need enough room to get some gate sales as well as a number of quality opponents.
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I think the problem will be attendance rather than RPI. People won't be enthused by UCF, East Carolina and Tulsa, but RPI wise they've been OK. 102, 104 and 128. It's Houston and SMU at around 200 that need to improve for the RPI to look decent.
 
upstater said:
I think the problem will be attendance rather than RPI. People won't be enthused by UCF, East Carolina and Tulsa, but RPI wise they've been OK. 102, 104 and 128. It's Houston and SMU at around 200 that need to improve for the RPI to look decent.
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No, I agree. If you replaced 2 league home games with 2 games from Home and Homes against decent teams, I think we're in better shape.

People will turn out for UConn-PC. They'd turn out more for UConn-Kansas...but they ain't really going to turn out for UConn-ECU/UConn-UCF.
 
FriarJ said:
Maybe they could rotate, one year in Storrs, one in Providence, then one in Brooklyn or at the Prudential Center?
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That's what we mean by home/away. The issue is a home&home series the likes of which UConn has recently scheduled against Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Indiana. Again, I'd love to play Providence, but someone needs to explain how UConn is going to manage to live up to the conference's new TV deals. CBS is showing 6 network games. Maybe this is arrogant, but I'm going to assume that 2 of the new conference's 6 games are going to have UConn as the home team. So, suddenly, UConn's OOC schedule jumps from 1 or 2 such games a year to at least 4. That's the change necessitated by being in a weaker conference. If the conference hadn't just signed a contract with CBS, none of this would be an issue at all, since UConn would likely find it much easier to schedule former BE teams.
 
upstater said:
That's what we mean by home/away. The issue is a home&home series the likes of which UConn has recently scheduled against Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Indiana. Again, I'd love to play Providence, but someone needs to explain how UConn is going to manage to live up to the conference's new TV deals. CBS is showing 6 network games. Maybe this is arrogant, but I'm going to assume that 2 of the new conference's 6 games are going to have UConn as the home team. So, suddenly, UConn's OOC schedule jumps from 1 or 2 such games a year to at least 4. That's the change necessitated by being in a weaker conference. If the conference hadn't just signed a contract with CBS, none of this would be an issue at all, since UConn would likely find it much easier to schedule former BE teams.
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Are you saying that UConn can only play 2 OOC road games and both of these have to be broadcast on CBS? I'm slow but I'm still a bit confused on what exactly the problem is here.
 
upstater said:
That's what we mean by home/away. The issue is a home&home series the likes of which UConn has recently scheduled against Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Indiana. Again, I'd love to play Providence, but someone needs to explain how UConn is going to manage to live up to the conference's new TV deals. CBS is showing 6 network games. Maybe this is arrogant, but I'm going to assume that 2 of the new conference's 6 games are going to have UConn as the home team. So, suddenly, UConn's OOC schedule jumps from 1 or 2 such games a year to at least 4. That's the change necessitated by being in a weaker conference. If the conference hadn't just signed a contract with CBS, none of this would be an issue at all, since UConn would likely find it much easier to schedule former BE teams.
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You will note that I had games against those who will play us home-home in football as #1 and big name games as #2. So in this I agree, if you can get a home and home with Wisconsin, Cal, Oklahoma State, that needs to happen. But we played 5-6 totally crap teams last year. We can afford to upgrade that to one home one road against PC. St. Johns etc. and four crappy games. You only lose one home game. CBS is sure as hell not going to put UConn vs. UMass-Lowell or AIU on tv. Versus PC or St, Johns, yeah, they might. So if you want to fill that slate for CBS, you need more quality home and homes and fewer cupcakes at home. Enough to ensure we've got 2-3 good home non-conference games a year.
 
FriarJ said:
Are you saying that UConn can only play 2 OOC road games and both of these have to be broadcast on CBS? I'm slow but I'm still a bit confused on what exactly the problem is here.
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In order to have 2 HOME games against national teams for CBS Network each year, UConn will need to schedule four such games a year. 2 home, 2 away. Coupled with holiday tourneys, that will leave UConn with only 4 or 5 cupcakes to keep up ticket sales at home. Again, we don't know how this is going to play out because I'm only assuming CBS will want UConn for 2 of the 6 contracted network games. Maybe they won't. If they don't, then this does not present a problem.

The game against Maryland to kick off the season next year is already contracted by ESPN. Then UConn travels to Washington, which also isn't a home game that can be shown on CBS. So already that's 2 big OOC games that can't be shown on CBS.
 
HuskyHawk said:
You will note that I had games against those who will play us home-home in football as #1 and big name games as #2. So in this I agree, if you can get a home and home with Wisconsin, Cal, Oklahoma State, that needs to happen. But we played 5-6 totally crap teams last year. We can afford to upgrade that to one home one road against PC. St. Johns etc. and four crappy games. You only lose one home game. CBS is sure as hell not going to put UConn vs. UMass-Lowell or AIU on tv. Versus PC or St, Johns, yeah, they might. So if you want to fill that slate for CBS, you need more quality home and homes and fewer cupcakes at home. Enough to ensure we've got 2-3 good home non-conference games a year.
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This is my exact point. You have to insure enough home OOC games against top national opponents each year. In order to do that, you have to schedule a lot of home and homes. It goes without saying that I'm assuming CBS Network would have little interest in UConn-Providence. When you add the numbers up, this leaves UConn with 4 or 5 open games (depending on holiday tourneys). So, every time you schedule a team that won't be shown on CBS (like Providence) you reduce the number of cupcakes. In this scenario, you're down to 3 cupcake games. I'm sure the fans will like that. I wonder if the AD's office will as it loses revenue.
 
upstater said:
In order to have 2 HOME games against national teams for CBS Network each year, UConn will need to schedule four such games a year. 2 home, 2 away. Coupled with holiday tourneys, that will leave UConn with only 4 or 5 cupcakes to keep up ticket sales at home. Again, we don't know how this is going to play out because I'm only assuming CBS will want UConn for 2 of the 6 contracted network games. Maybe they won't. If they don't, then this does not present a problem.

The game against Maryland to kick off the season next year is already contracted by ESPN. Then UConn travels to Washington, which also isn't a home game that can be shown on CBS. So already that's 2 big OOC games that can't be shown on CBS.
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Is the CBS contract only for OOC games?
 
upstater said:
This is my exact point. You have to insure enough home OOC games against top national opponents each year. In order to do that, you have to schedule a lot of home and homes. It goes without saying that I'm assuming CBS Network would have little interest in UConn-Providence. When you add the numbers up, this leaves UConn with 4 or 5 open games (depending on holiday tourneys). So, every time you schedule a team that won't be shown on CBS (like Providence) you reduce the number of cupcakes. In this scenario, you're down to 3 cupcake games. I'm sure the fans will like that. I wonder if the AD's office will as it loses revenue.
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I think a game against Providence or St. Johns or Nova could absolutely be shown on CBS. Those teams are just as big as Tennessee for example.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think a game against Providence or St. Johns or Nova could absolutely be shown on CBS. Those teams are just as big as Tennessee for example.
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Say wha? You're kidding, right? Providence = Tennessee? No.
 
upstater said:
6 conference, 6 OOC
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Ok, let's assume that CBS will want UConn for 2 of the OOC games, so if one is a road game and one is a home game, then I don't see how fitting PC in would be that hard. That is if CBS was willing to take the flip side of those road and home games the following year. And I know this is not how we should talk here but if god forbid, Cooley actually gets this team to be good on a regular basis, then CBS would absolutely take an Old school BE game between two rivals, no different then X and Cincy.
 
AIU and Lowell were exhibition games and did not count toward regular season record, RPI, or SOS. I don't know if everyone has two, but UConn has as long as I can remember. They used to play the likes of Marathon Oil (or some other semi pro team, but have recently gone to Div. 2 an 3 schools.
 
FriarJ said:
Ok, let's assume that CBS will want UConn for 2 of the OOC games, so if one is a road game and one is a home game, then I don't see how fitting PC in would be that hard. That is if CBS was willing to take the flip side of those road and home games the following year. And I know this is not how we should talk here but if god forbid, Cooley actually gets this team to be good on a regular basis, then CBS would absolutely take an Old school BE game between two rivals, no different then X and Cincy.
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I think the conference has TV rights to the home game, so while PC @ UConn would be a CBS covered game, the reverse is not true.

I may be entirely wrong here, but that's my understanding.
 
FriarJ said:
Is the CBS contract only for OOC games?
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Nobody really knows yet. My guess is CBS would require 3 big OOC games and 3 games vs whoever is the most attractive match ups within our conference.
Again, my guess is UConn will rotate PC, G'town, St Johns & 'Nova as much as they can. If home and home are required my guess is UConn & PC play a home in home 2 out of every 8 years.
 
FriarJ said:
Ok, let's assume that CBS will want UConn for 2 of the OOC games, so if one is a road game and one is a home game, then I don't see how fitting PC in would be that hard. That is if CBS was willing to take the flip side of those road and home games the following year. And I know this is not how we should talk here but if god forbid, Cooley actually gets this team to be good on a regular basis, then CBS would absolutely take an Old school BE game between two rivals, no different then X and Cincy.
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CBS only has right to home games, not road games.
 
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