Providence offer

[seanmc94]

Fear PC as a program? Obviously not. On the court? It's been pretty even over the last decade, so I understand the concern

 

[Brochacho]

Might as well offer Quinnipiac a home and home.

 

[CL82]

I looked at KenPom, and going back to 2003, PC was only outside the Top 100 once--and even then, they were in the top 150.

They aren't a powerhouse, but they're way better than Maryland Eastern-Shore.

We need to schedule some teams like that to make sure we keep basketball afloat (RPI-wise). Also, it would keep up fan interest.

This. If the choice is between PC and Maryland Eastern-Shore PC is the far better choice. If the choice is between PC and Georgetown, well of course we'd rather play G-town. Where it gets tougher are schools like Stoneybrook. Similar RPIs and a UConn connection makes me think Stoneybrook gets the nod. What about Rutgers? Abysmal RPI, but NYC metro games have value and B1G games are probably a good choice for us right now. In the end I hope that our AD, in consultation with KO, makes logical choices specifically designed to advance the program. The jury is still out on Manual, but after a slow start he seems like he's doing ok on the football side.

 

[noeynox]

Fear PC as a program? Obviously not. On the court? It's been pretty even over the last decade, so I understand the concern

No concern. You don't expect to dominate anyone like the run we had against BC. The series with Providence was close to even. IM sure that is a measuring stick game for your program every year and brought your a game.

Upstater, has the right take. If there is room, and playing doesn't with possibility of being on CBS fine. Has nothing to do with any potential loss on the court, PC just isn't going to be a scheduling priority for the school or our fans.

 

[SubbaBub]

Former BE teams I'd rather play in MBB before PC

Cuse
GTown
Nova
Pitt
ND
BC
Ville
Wvu
StJ
Marq
Depaul
TCU

OOC games needs to be RPI, TV, and Recruiting positive. PC offers none of that. When it comes to OOC, we need to have our own AAU-like benchmarks.

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[upstater]

No concern. You don't expect to dominate anyone like the run we had against BC. The series with Providence was close to even. IM sure that is a measuring stick game for your program every year and brought your a game.

Upstater, has the right take. If there is room, and playing doesn't with possibility of being on CBS fine. Has nothing to do with any potential loss on the court, PC just isn't going to be a scheduling priority for the school or our fans.

I agree with almost all of this, bt people would be surprised if they look back to see how UConn dominated PC during the 1980s.

 

[gars44]

Ummm.....all of our Big East games drew well. I'm not so sure PC was the little engine that could, filling up half our otherwise empty arena.

I'm good with PC. Depends who else we can get, but they are certainly a good game for us.

 

[johnhuskies95]

I'm glad you don't see much of a difference. I'll take your word over that of the market for TV rights, I guess, and not be nervous any more.

Many of you are nuts. We are in a very precarious position. We will need to play more RPI Top 50 OOC games than we're used to, but the others will all need to be top 150 to 75, and not dregs, if we're going to keep attendance up with the new lesser conference schedule.

Keep thumping your damn chests. It's certainly served us well in dealing with other schools and conferences to date.

Read Upstater's posts. UConn's only going to get to play about 3 non-conference away games at most every year. We already have Washington this year and then go to Texas the following year.

Let's call up the top 50 before we entertain Providence.

 

[noeynox]

I'm glad you don't see much of a difference. I'll take your word over that of the market for TV rights, I guess, and not be nervous any more.

Many of you are nuts. We are in a very precarious position. We will need to play more RPI Top 50 OOC games than we're used to, but the others will all need to be top 150 to 75, and not dregs, if we're going to keep attendance up with the new lesser conference schedule.

Keep thumping your damn chests. It's certainly served us well in dealing with other schools and conferences to date.

I don't get this, were in a precarious position because our fans thump their chest's on our message board? I get that we are in a bind, but that's because we were late to the football party not because we have some perceived superiority complex.

 

[UConnLen]

Fear PC as a program? Obviously not. On the court? It's been pretty even over the last decade, so I understand the concern

Sean, yes the series has been pretty even over the last decade, most times it was looked at as PC upset UConn. But I remember back in the 60's and seventies when PC was the top program in NE, they didn't play UConn except in the ECAC tourney for an NCAA bid. PC had nothing to gain, just to lose by playing us [they did lose to us in ECAC in Springfield 1975?-I was there]. Dave Gavitt was a great coach and a better human being-he pulled Steve Strother out after he cheap shotted Joey Whelton in that game, maybe costing PC the game. But today UConn is the top dog and we need to play top competition to increase our strength of schedule used in NCAA selection and seeding. I don't see any reason to play PC but for old time sake-and the rivalry from our point of view has deminished from the early days. If PC improves their bball team, then we may have a reason to schedule a home and home.

 

[businesslawyer]

I don't get this, were in a precarious position because our fans thump their chest's on our message board? I get that we are in a bind, but that's because we were late to the football party not because we have some perceived superiority complex.

Our fans thinking we're in a better position than we are limit the options the AD has to make things better. The Notre Dame football series, e.g. (And no -- I don't know for a fact that our fan's anger about the series doomed it, but we don't know that it didn't either.)

 

[noeynox]

I think you're giving this particular message board too much credit.

I think more blame should be laid at the feet of past administrations, and yet even more on just bad circumstances coming together at the worst possible times, like this APR, fiasco right in the middle of conference shuffle season.

 

[Husky68]

Our fans thinking we're in a better position than we are limit the options the AD has to make things better. The Notre Dame football series, e.g. (And no -- I don't know for a fact that our fan's anger about the series doomed it, but we don't know that it didn't either.)

"I don't know for a fact that our fan's anger about the series doomed it, but we don't know that it didn't either." Something like I don't know for a fact that fhcRE's coaching doomed Uconn from being a more successful team, but I don't know that it didn't either.

 

[tzznandrew]

It's impossible to please any fanbase.

But ours has become entitled--not unjustly, really. Three titles ties us with Kansas, and puts us ahead of pretty much every other school in the country. But unlike a lot of other fanbases which had large droughts between titles (Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, UNC) or experienced multiple failures at the highest levels (Duke), we went from being regional to being national all of a sudden. And once we broke through--we did it in a big way. From 1999-2011 we won 3 titles, went to 4 final fours, 6 E8s, and a bunch of titles. If we stretched it back to 1995, it's even crazier (although UK would match us in titles).

But, we haven't experienced a ton of hardship, and I don't think that some people realize how precarious this new environment is. We need to be damn good and justify getting picked now. I don't think we fade into mediocrity, but if it were going to happen, it would happen after one of the 5 best coaches of all time leaves your program, and your program is suddenly in a conference where the 3 other best schools were mid-majors in recent memory (if not last year). The chest-thumping is going to go away really quickly if we don't keep winning...and unless we're going to regional finals, final fours, and winning titles, it really doesn't matter...

 

[whaler11]

Some on this board have such an irrational hatred for Providence that they can't be remotely objective when discussing them in any context.

I don't know what else is on the table so I don't know if they should do it or not - but it's a good rivalry and should continue if it can.

 

[Husky68]

Some on this board have such an irrational hatred for Providence that they can't be remotely objective when discussing them in any context.

I don't know what else is on the table so I don't know if they should do it or not - but it's a good rivalry and should continue if it can.

All hatred is not irrational.

 

[whaler11]

All hatred is not irrational.

True, but you hate Providence probably because of five posters on the internet. I see a school that never has any success and still has a relatively decent fanbase. The Providence grads I work with still follow the team religiously after decades.

 

[tzznandrew]

True, but you hate Providence probably because of five posters on the internet. I see a school that never has any success and still has a relatively decent fanbase. The Providence grads I work with still follow the team religiously after decades.

I've found that if I can eliminate the obnoxious internet people (who are necessarily worse due to anonymity), I hate fewer teams. I've even worked with a really cool UK fan. That said, I hate UK because of Calipari...but there probably is no other real hate anymore.

 

[Devland]

True, but you hate Providence probably because of five posters on the internet. I see a school that never has any success and still has a relatively decent fanbase. The Providence grads I work with still follow the team religiously after decades.

Wait, there are Providence grads with jobs?

 

[Husky68]

True, but you hate Providence probably because of five posters on the internet. I see a school that never has any success and still has a relatively decent fanbase. The Providence grads I work with still follow the team religiously after decades.

I didn't say I hated PeeCee, only that all hate is no irrational (especially for BCU) . I was a big fan of Conn boys like Johnny Egan there in the early 60's and the ol' Ernie D. and BNB team. I'd rather play PeeCee than a lot of other "lower level" teams but not home and home over a lot top 50-75 teams.

 

[Robertelamin]

Come on now. Our 'rivals' are now Cincy and USF. If Cuse, Pitt, Georgetown, St Johns, Nova or PC want a home and home, lets get it done. People are going to view SMU, UCF, ect the same as Maryland Eastern Shore, Winthrop and Bryant. We really need to have some games that fans care about. Just my 2 cents...

 

[SubbaBub]

Some on this board have such an irrational hatred for Providence that they can't be remotely objective when discussing them in any context.

I don't know what else is on the table so I don't know if they should do it or not - but it's a good rivalry and should continue if it can.

It's indifference. If not for their constant yapping, we wouldn't be discussing them at all.

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[FfldCntyFan]

Some on this board have such an irrational hatred for Providence that they can't be remotely objective when discussing them in any context.

I don't know what else is on the table so I don't know if they should do it or not - but it's a good rivalry and should continue if it can.

Please explain how not believing PC warrants equal home and home games is hatred. Do we have hatred towards Fairfield? Hartford? URI? Seton Hall?

Next question, please explain how PC is more of a rivalry than Seton Hall. It would help id you could document the history we had with each school before the Big East began and then show how PC somehow became more of a rival than SHU during the BE years.

 

[whaler11]

Please explain how not believing PC warrants equal home and home games is hatred. Do we have hatred towards Fairfield? Hartford? URI? Seton Hall?

Next question, please explain how PC is more of a rivalry than Seton Hall. It would help id you could document the history we had with each school before the Big East began and then show how PC somehow became more of a rival than SHU during the BE years.

The two things are mutually exclusive. You can be against the games and not be one of the irrational fans constantly railing against Providence.

The board is constantly filled with Providence hatred. Are you denying that? Do I have to bump 15 threads?

Why would it matter who was a rival 30 years ago when measuring who is a rival now? How is Providence more of a rival than Seton Hall? I'll just pretend you are kidding with that question since everything Providence does is captured here for our reading enjoyment and Seton Hall is mentioned as much as DePaul.

Maybe you saw the atmosphere at Gampel for PC to end the season. That alone proves that Providence is a good rival - but I'm sure a dozen people will claim the atmosphere was because of 10 other ridiculous reasons.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I believe that you are placing far too much weight in how a handful of people who post on this board feel. The truth is that PC is little different today than URI & UMass were some 35 years ago (save less of a recent success gap) and if there had been an internet during the late schabel and Dee Rowe years, the idea of agreeing to URI or UNH something similar to what Cooley has asked for would be viewed similarly (at least at that time UMass had already left the Yankee fotr what appeared to be a better conference) to how we are now viewing n extended home and home with PC.

Knock me all you care to but I personally see little (primarily proximity) that separates PC from Seton Hall and in all candor I do not see how offering either anything close to an equal series makes any sense on our end.