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CL82 said:
Given the head to head results, I have a hard time understanding ranking ND over UConn, or UConn over Baylor. It would be interesting to hear the reasoning.
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Easy for ND after BU or UConn.....They have lost two games and they have lost 1.

BU UConn is more eye test and opinion in my opinion. They are both pretty interchangeable. I think BU edges UConn on out Massey and RPI.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Aren't we #15 in the Massey strength-of-schedule rankings? Is there a huge difference between #9 and #15? It's not like we have a SOS of #42.
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In the conventional SOS metric (aka the one that goes on the team sheets the selection committee uses), Miss St.'s SOS is currently #44.

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Orangutan said:
In the conventional SOS metric (aka the one that goes on the team sheets the selection committee uses), Miss St.'s SOS is currently #44.

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It's should be a constant embarrassment to the NCAA that RPI is still used as a judging criteria in picking and seeding teams.
 
Orangutan said:
In the conventional SOS metric (aka the one that goes on the team sheets the selection committee uses), Miss St.'s SOS is currently #44.

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If Massey has us at #15 and that metric has us at #44... it just shows how cautionary we have to approach these rankings. I mean... if one evaluating group has us #15 and another has us at #44, don't you think this is hard to really determine?

Where is this information? I would like to look at it.


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vowelguy said:
Thread for announcement of today's poll, and for the inevitable whining that the voters (sportswriters from across the US) are owned by ND and biased towards the Irish.

My prediction:
  1. Bay (+1)
  2. UConn (+1)
  3. ND* (-2)
  4. Lou
  5. Ore
  6. Miss St (+2)
  7. NC St (+1)
  8. Stan* (-2)
  9. Ore St
  10. Marq
  11. MD
  12. Tex
  13. Iowa (+4)
  14. Syr* (-1)
  15. RU* (-1)
  16. Ky* (-1)
  17. Utah (+4)
  18. Gonz
  19. SoCar
  20. Az St* (-4)
  21. TAMU (+3)
  22. IowaSt* (-2)
  23. Mich St
  24. Fla St* (-2)
  25. Mizzou*

* = Losses last week
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My prediction they are going to fall a lot further than 3rd
 
Orangutan said:
More or less of an embarrassment than scheduling non-conference games against Coppin St?
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Every team plays cupcakes. Not sure what you're using to determine if someone is more cupcake than someone else.


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SimpleDawg said:
If Massey has us at #15 and that metric has us at #44... it just shows how cautionary we have to approach these rankings. I mean... if one evaluating group has us #15 and another has us at #44, don't you think this is hard to really determine?

Where is this information? I would like to look at it.


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My source for strength of schedule is: Strength of Schedule (SOS) 2019 Womens College Basketball - WarrenNolan.com

I truly have no idea what Massey's methodology for determining strength of schedule is or how it works. Not saying it's wrong or right. I just don't know.
 
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I don’t mind ND falling to 5. They’ll make their way back up if they can win the rest of their regular season games and win the ACC tourny.
 
Thursday we’ll find out if Debbie A is right about Louisville. Somebody gonna have 2 losses and be holding hands with ND
 
Orangutan said:
More or less of an embarrassment than scheduling non-conference games against Coppin St?
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Pretty weak and petty. Want me to analyze the UNC game? Certainly no losses like that on MSU's resume.

Go Binghamton (we all play cupcakes).
 
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IWearShoes said:
Pretty weak and petty. Want me to analyze the UNC game? Certainly no losses like that on MSU's resume.

Go Binghamton (we all play cupcakes).
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That's the 1 group 4 (RPI 200+) team that ND has played. Miss. St. has played 6 (though one is Florida, so that one couldn't be helped).
 
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Orangutan said:
Eh, it was a joke. At least, I thought it was funny.

That's the 1 group 5 (RPI 200+) team that ND has played. Miss. St. has played 6 (though you can't help that a team as bad as Florida is in the SEC).
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I'm not degrading Notre Dame or anything.... that might be the other Mississippi State fans but not me. I think they're the team I personally would LEAST like to face in the tournament. I can totally see how they're ranked slightly ahead of us at #3. But I think #4 is about as low as I would put us.

I don't wanna meet you in Chicago. And on that note, I hope you don't come meet us in Greensboro so I'm definitely hoping you win all of your remaining games.... so that could not happen.

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Orangutan said:
That's the 1 group 4 (RPI 200+) team that ND has played. Miss. St. has played 6 (though one is Florida, so that one couldn't be helped).
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So you would be happier if we had 5 wins vs teams ranked 50-100? They've made it pretty clear they can whip those teams too. The reason I dislike RPI is it places way to much emphasis on who you played, not how you played. By the way, I've also made it clear that when hitting on all cylinders I think ND is #1.
 
IWearShoes said:
So you would be happier if we had 5 wins vs teams ranked 50-100? They've made it pretty clear they can whip those teams too. The reason I dislike RPI is it places way to much emphasis on who you played, not how you played. By the way, I've also made it clear that when hitting on all cylinders I think ND is #1.
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Agreed. It doesn't matter if we whip a team RPI #78 or RPI #126 or RPI #189. They're ALL bad. There's not much separating those teams at all. They just have to put one after another. But if you put 100 average teams together, it'll seem like there's a lot separating them when it's just a lot of bad apples somebody had to be placed slightly higher and that causes some huge ranking variance.

Margin of victory is relevant. Which is why our 50-point win over Washington on the road is significantly different than Oregon slightly pulling away from them in the 4th quarter. If we whip Washington by 50 in football and another team whips them by 13... that'll be discussed for weeks.

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SimpleDawg said:
Agreed. It doesn't matter if we whip a team RPI #78 or RPI #126 or RPI #189. They're ALL bad. There's not much separating those teams at all. They just have to put one after another. But if you put 100 average teams together, it'll seem like there's a lot separating them when it's just a lot of bad apples somebody had to be placed slightly higher and that causes some huge ranking variance.

Margin of victory is relevant. Which is why our 50-point win over Washington on the road is significantly different than Oregon slightly pulling away from them in the 4th quarter. If we whip Washington by 50 in football and another team whips them by 13... that'll be discussed for weeks.

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But also take into consideration conference foes know each other a lot better. Just like some weak SEC teams may play y'all tighter because they know y'all. Where as two different conference teams playing in OOC haven't played one another and so it is a lot harder going into that game. I hope that made sense. lol
 
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UConn drops 2 spots for a loss on the road to top 10 Baylor. So with that logic Notre damn is dropping more that 2 spots
 
Baylor is No. 1 in The Associated Press women's college basketball poll for the first time nearly 6 years.

The Lady Bears (17-1) rose to the top spot after then-No. 1 Notre Dame lost to unranked North Carolina on Sunday. Baylor, which received 24 of 28 first-place votes Monday from a national media panel, last was No. 1 in the final poll of the 2012-13 season. The Bears were the top choice among voters for the final 11 weeks of that season.

Notre Dame fell to 5th, with UConn, Louisville and Oregon following Baylor. Mississippi State, North Carolina State, Stanford, Oregon State and Marquette rounded out the top 10. The Wolfpack are the only undefeated team left in Division I basketball. Stanford dropped two spots in the AP poll to 8th, following their loss to Utah on Sunday.

The coach's poll had not been released at the time of this posting.

I think the AP was very gracious in dropping ND only 4 spots in the rankings after losing to an unranked team that at the time was only 2 games over .500 (11-9). I think an argument could be made for a lower ranking, although there are those that have a much different take:

Notre Dame's No. 1 seed isn't up for debate
 
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ucawn said:
UConn drops 2 spots for a loss on the road to top 10 Baylor. So with that logic Notre damn is dropping more that 2 spots
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It's not one person who is making the poll. It's 30+ separate analysts. Even if all 30+ analysts had team X drop 2 spots, it doesn't mean the team will drop 2 spots in the aggregated poll.

Nor is there any kind of metric voters follow, nor should there be. It entirely depends on what other teams do, and how a voter seems them all relative to each other.
 
SimpleDawg said:
Margin of victory is relevant. Which is why our 50-point win over Washington on the road is significantly different than Oregon slightly pulling away from them in the 4th quarter. If we whip Washington by 50 in football and another team whips them by 13... that'll be discussed for weeks.
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Oregon St. crushed Washington on Friday night by 47. Just because their margin of victory was more than twice as much as Oregon's was against UW, I don't think anybody would try to make the argument OSU should be ranked ahead of UO.

I seem to recall Oregon beat Mississippi St. Isn't head to head more relevant than score against common opponents?
 
I'm glad to see we finally got a little variety from the same top 4 reshuffling. Oregon hasn't lost in forever but was stuck in the same spot for a long time.

I don't think anybody should get a pass due to an injury. Almost everybody has suffered significant injuries this season. An unfortunate part of the game.
 
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